28 Apr
2023
28 Apr
'23
11:08 p.m.
Hello all,
Since four days now, the melody I try to reproduce below is
haunting my brain. Don't know how i picked it up.
It's a popular classical piece which I have heard many times,
from the romantic period and as I remember it, for string
orchestra.
But I can't find out what it is. Tried some of the 'find a
melody' sites, no succes.
6/8 (or maybe 3/4)
- = continuation of previous note by 1/8
| A-- G#-- | A---- B | C-- B-- | Bb----- |
| Bb-- A-- | G----- | F-- G Bb A | Bb----- |
Can anyone identify this ??
Many thanks !
--
FA
28 Apr
28 Apr
11:44 p.m.
Apr 28 2023, Fons Adriaensen has written:
...
Since four days now, the melody I try to reproduce
below is
haunting my brain. Don't know how i picked it up.
...
6/8 (or maybe 3/4)
- = continuation of previous note by 1/8
| A-- G#-- | A---- B | C-- B-- | Bb----- |
| Bb-- A-- | G----- | F-- G Bb A | Bb----- |
Do you have any harmonic context? I
played it a few times, but can't
even hear a key with that. Is it modulating from one key to another
here?
Best wishes,
Jeanette
...
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29 Apr
29 Apr
12:33 a.m.
On Fri, Apr 28, 2023 at 11:44:34PM +0200, Jeanette C. wrote:
Apr 28 2023, Fons Adriaensen has written:
...
How this works harmonically is not clear to me, and that
may be the reason why this thing keeps haunting me.
The second phrase clearly ends with a I-V-I in Bb Maj.
And then it continues in the same key with a faster
melody. But that's all I know ATM.
Ciao,
--
FA
Since four days now, the melody I try to
reproduce below is
haunting my brain. Don't know how i picked it up.
...
6/8 (or maybe 3/4)
- = continuation of previous note by 1/8
| A-- G#-- | A---- B | C-- B-- | Bb----- |
| Bb-- A-- | G----- | F-- G Bb A | Bb----- |
Do you have any harmonic context? I
played it a few times, but can't
even hear a key with that. Is it modulating from one key to another
here? 
1:59 a.m.
Hi Fons,
I had no clue, so I gave the task to an AI assistant (GPT-4).
Question:
It's a popular classical piece which I have heard
many times, from the romantic period and as I remember it, for string orchestra.
6/8 (or maybe 3/4)
- = continuation of previous note by 1/8
| A-- G#-- | A---- B | C-- B-- | Bb----- |
| Bb-- A-- | G----- | F-- G Bb A | Bb----- |
Answer:
Based on the description and the provided melody, it
seems that you are referring to the Serenade for Strings in C Major, Op. 48, specifically
the second movement "Waltz" by Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky. The Waltz is indeed
written in 3/4 time, and it is a well-known and beloved piece from the Romantic period.
The Serenade for Strings as a whole is a popular work in the classical repertoire, often
performed by string orchestras.
Is it the correct guess or just some AI hallucination?
Best,
Martin
10:57 a.m.
Hello Martin !
I had no clue, so I gave the task to an AI assistant
(GPT-4).
Answer:
It's wrong, and apparently based on the textual description only.
The melody is totally unrelated.
Ciao,
--
FA
Based on the description and the provided melody,
it seems
that you are referring to the Serenade for Strings in C Major,
Op. 48, specifically the second movement "Waltz" by Pyotr
Ilyich Tchaikovsky. The Waltz is indeed written in 3/4 time,
and it is a well-known and beloved piece from the Romantic
period. The Serenade for Strings as a whole is a popular
work in the classical repertoire, often performed by string orchestras.
Is it the correct guess or just some AI hallucination? 
12:56 p.m.
Fons Adriaensen <fons(a)linuxaudio.org> writes:
Hello Martin !
But you have to admit that GPT-4 very convincingly pretended to have
taken the melody into account.
Looks like its strengths could lie not as much with improving on
homework but with improving on "the dog ate the homework".
--
David Kastrup
I had no clue, so I gave the task to an AI
assistant (GPT-4).
Answer:
It's wrong, and apparently based on the textual description only.
The melody is totally unrelated. Based on the description and the provided melody,
it seems
that you are referring to the Serenade for Strings in C Major,
Op. 48, specifically the second movement "Waltz" by Pyotr
Ilyich Tchaikovsky. The Waltz is indeed written in 3/4 time,
and it is a well-known and beloved piece from the Romantic
period. The Serenade for Strings as a whole is a popular
work in the classical repertoire, often performed by string orchestras.
Is it the correct guess or just some AI hallucination?
2:38 p.m.
On Sat, Apr 29, 2023 at 12:56:51PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote:
But you have to admit that GPT-4 very convincingly
pretended to have
taken the melody into account.
It pretended. But not very convincingly...
Looks like its strengths could lie not as much with
improving on
homework but with improving on "the dog ate the homework".
:-)
I wonder if it even understood the musical notation I used.
And indeed if it 'understands' anything at all.
Suppose you are given a dictionary of some language you don't
know at all. It contains a description of every word but no
translations.
To keep things simple, assume it uses the Latin alphabet, and
a conventional subject / verb / object syntax.
Would you be able to find out the meaning of the words ?
Ciao,
--
FA
2:51 p.m.
It pretended. But not very convincingly...
Indeed. People are all too willing to be wooed by this technology.
It's still just an algorithm in a box at this stage - predicting a character at a time
on statistical data and user feedback.
It doesn't know or understand anything.
It would be a great engine for a text adventure character, but beyond that it's not
very useful yet.
It's sometimes right some of the time, but it's output is dead boring.
It has no problem spewing bullshit, cause that's what we like to hear.
It's output is more often than not, derivative and tiresome.
Sorry for the rant, but I've yet to have a useful answer that I couldn't google
quicker myself.
Hope you find your earworm Fons.
John
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------- Original Message -------
On Saturday, April 29th, 2023 at 10:38 PM, Fons Adriaensen <fons(a)linuxaudio.org>
wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 29, 2023 at 12:56:51PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote:
>
> > But you have to admit that GPT-4 very convincingly pretended to have
> > taken the melody into account.
>
>
It pretended. But not very convincingly...
>
> > Looks like its strengths could lie not as much with improving on
> > homework but with improving on "the dog ate the homework".
>
>
> :-)
>
> I wonder if it even understood the musical notation I used.
>
> And indeed if it 'understands' anything at all.
>
> Suppose you are given a dictionary of some language you don't
> know at all. It contains a description of every word but no
> translations.
>
> To keep things simple, assume it uses the Latin alphabet, and
> a conventional subject / verb / object syntax.
>
> Would you be able to find out the meaning of the words ?
>
> Ciao,
>
> --
> FA
>
>
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6:05 p.m.
There used to be a website your could type in a series of notes, and it would
search for a match - I can't seem to find it now :(
There still is this one for played notes - might be worth a try.
https://www.aha-music.com/
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30 Apr
30 Apr
11:32 a.m.
My public library had a few (three?) Books with indexes of melodies for
identification. One was filled with national anthems, one with classical
themes IIRC. So the idea is you whistle a tune, write an asterix for the
first note and the u, d or r for each consecutive note depending on weather
it the melody moves up, down or repeats tje previous note. Any melodi can
be identified with this method, if you take a long enough string into
consideration.
This was in the age of dead trees, a digital, online index would be much
easier to maintain and search.
lør. 29. apr. 2023 18.05 skrev Will Godfrey <willgodfrey(a)musically.me.uk>uk>:
There used to be a website your could type in a series
of notes, and it
would
search for a match - I can't seem to find it now :(
There still is this one for played notes - might be worth a try.
https://www.aha-music.com/
--
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https://willgodfrey.bandcamp.com/
http://yoshimi.github.io
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Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.
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3:07 p.m.
On Sun, Apr 30, 2023 at 11:32, Atte Jensen <atte.jensen(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
My public library had a few (three?) Books with
indexes of melodies
for identification. One was filled with national anthems, one with
classical themes IIRC. So the idea is you whistle a tune, write an
asterix for the first note and the u, d or r for each consecutive
note depending on weather it the melody moves up, down or repeats tje
previous note.
Heh. Also known as byzantine culture music notation :) Look it up, it's
fascinating. No absolute pitches in the notation.
6:27 p.m.
On 28/04/2023 23:08, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
Hello all,
Since four days now, the melody I try to reproduce below is
haunting my brain. Don't know how i picked it up.
It's a popular classical piece which I have heard many times,
from the romantic period and as I remember it, for string
orchestra.
But I can't find out what it is. Tried some of the 'find a
melody' sites, no succes.
6/8 (or maybe 3/4)
- = continuation of previous note by 1/8
| A-- G#-- | A---- B | C-- B-- | Bb----- |
| Bb-- A-- | G----- | F-- G Bb A | Bb----- |
Can anyone identify this ??
Could it be the "Valse Triste" by Sibelius (op. 44 from 'Kuolema')?
[warning YouTube link]:
https://youtu.be/Bi4OnSPc3Yc
Apparently there's also a piano version by Sibelius himself (I didn't
know this):
[warning YouTube link]:
https://youtu.be/172YyjtlbMo
Hope this helps,
Lorenzo
8:50 p.m.
On Sun, Apr 30, 2023 at 06:27:47PM +0200, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
Could it be the "Valse Triste" by Sibelius
(op. 44 from 'Kuolema')?
[warning YouTube link]:
https://youtu.be/Bi4OnSPc3Yc
That's it !! Many thanks, you made my day !!
One of the first things I checked was Valse Noble (Schubert), then
the Valses Nobles et Sentimentales (Ravel), then all the ***Danses
by Slavic and Nordic composers, and all the String Serenades by the
same. But I forgot Sibelius.
I also found out where I (unconsciously) picked it up. I've been
watching a thriller series on the streaming site of the German
TV channel ZDF, called 'Killing Eve'. In one of the episodes there
is a transposed and time stretched version of the first few bars
of the Valse Triste behind the dialogue.
Thanks again !
--
FA
9:38 p.m.
On 30/04/2023 20:50, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
On Sun, Apr 30, 2023 at 06:27:47PM +0200, Lorenzo
Sutton wrote:
Well I also had to search a bit... Because your hint was 'Romantic' I
thought maybe Tchaikovsky, Grieg or Sibelius... But was more oriented
the late 1800s / 1900s because of the modulation. So searching for
'[Composer] Waltz' eventually lead to the right piece :-)
Glad it worked :-)
Could it be the "Valse Triste" by
Sibelius (op. 44 from 'Kuolema')?
[warning YouTube link]:
https://youtu.be/Bi4OnSPc3Yc
That's it !! Many thanks, you made my day !!
One of the first things I checked was Valse Noble (Schubert), then
the Valses Nobles et Sentimentales (Ravel), then all the ***Danses
by Slavic and Nordic composers, and all the String Serenades by the
same. But I forgot Sibelius.
I also found out where I (unconsciously) picked it up. I've been
watching a thriller series on the streaming site of the German
TV channel ZDF, called 'Killing Eve'. In one of the episodes there
is a transposed and time stretched version of the first few bars
of the Valse Triste behind the dialogue.
Thanks again !
11:02 p.m.
On Sun, Apr 30, 2023 at 09:38:24PM +0200, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
But was more oriented the late 1800s / 1900s because
of the
modulation.
Which fascinated me, occuring right at the beginning.
Also the repetition of the first theme is a semitone
higher - easily missed unless you listen for it.
The faster theme which I remembered and mentioned in my
reply to Jeanette actually occurs later (around 2:10)
but after a copy of the cadenza of the first theme - that
confused me as well.
This is what actually triggered my earworm: (wget it)
http://kokkinizita.linuxaudio.org/linuxaudio/ke-S4E5.wav
No mention of it on the credits...
Ciao,
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