3 Apr
2006
3 Apr
'06
4:28 p.m.
Does anyone out there have Skype working with an emu10k1 (specifically
Audigy2 ZS)?
I just installed it, plugged my headset into the front panel Headphones
and Line2/Mic2 jack, and called the echo service. I can hear my voice
OK but the other end sounds TERRIBLE, full of pops and clicks.
Is Skype for Linux really such a piece of crap, that it won't work with
one of the best supported devices?
Lee
3 Apr
3 Apr
4:36 p.m.
On Mon, 2006-04-03 at 14:28 -0400, Lee Revell wrote:
Does anyone out there have Skype working with an
emu10k1 (specifically
Audigy2 ZS)?
I just installed it, plugged my headset into the front panel Headphones
and Line2/Mic2 jack, and called the echo service. I can hear my voice
OK but the other end sounds TERRIBLE, full of pops and clicks.
Is Skype for Linux really such a piece of crap, that it won't work with
one of the best supported devices?
i've used it on an ICH5 device. it worked fine. very susceptible to
network quality of service issues though, and both ends must be using a
headset to avoid stupid echoes. one of my call targets had to switch
from wireless to wired connectivity with his router in order for us to
get acceptable quality.
--p
4:49 p.m.
On Mon, 2006-04-03 at 14:39 -0400, Paul Davis wrote:
On Mon, 2006-04-03 at 14:28 -0400, Lee Revell wrote:
Yeah I have a headset, and I'm plugged directly into my router. No
wireless.
I am wondering if the Skype echo service is just overloaded.
Is there a public network QoS/latency test I can use, similar to the old
"DSL bandwidth testers"?
Lee
Does anyone out there have Skype working with an
emu10k1 (specifically
Audigy2 ZS)?
I just installed it, plugged my headset into the front panel Headphones
and Line2/Mic2 jack, and called the echo service. I can hear my voice
OK but the other end sounds TERRIBLE, full of pops and clicks.
Is Skype for Linux really such a piece of crap, that it won't work with
one of the best supported devices?
i've used it on an ICH5 device. it worked fine. very susceptible to
network quality of service issues though, and both ends must be using a
headset to avoid stupid echoes. one of my call targets had to switch
from wireless to wired connectivity with his router in order for us to
get acceptable quality. 
4:59 p.m.
Lee Revell wrote:
Yeah I have a headset, and I'm plugged directly
into my router. No
wireless.
I am wondering if the Skype echo service is just overloaded.
Why don't you try Wengo:
http://openwengo.com/
I've just briefly tried it myself, but on paper it should be way better
than Skype. It is GPL, supports SIP, SMS, video, different voice codecs,
etc...
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5:13 p.m.
On Mon, 2006-04-03 at 20:59 +0200, Johannes Mario Ringheim wrote:
Lee Revell wrote:
I have tried it. I need a solution that's interoperable with Skype.
Lee
Yeah I have a headset, and I'm plugged
directly into my router. No
wireless.
I am wondering if the Skype echo service is just overloaded.
Why don't you try Wengo:
http://openwengo.com/
I've just briefly tried it myself, but on paper it should be way better
than Skype. It is GPL, supports SIP, SMS, video, different voice codecs,
etc...
5:17 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Skype + emu10k1
This give me hope. Maybe proprietary technology IS inherently inferior!
I wonder if SIP would work.
Carlo
5:28 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Skype + emu10k1
Carlo Capocasa wrote:
This give me hope. Maybe proprietary technology IS
inherently inferior!
Dunno, but, the IT-personell of my local university banned Skype after
they discovered it turns itself into a server if it detects good enough
bandwith after some time online. This server is then used to distribute
other people's calls. In other words, it uses your bandwidth for it's
own business without telling you.
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5:39 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Skype + emu10k1
On Mon, 2006-04-03 at 21:27 +0200, Johannes Mario Ringheim wrote:
Carlo Capocasa wrote:
Well, I don't see a problem with that, Skype is a P2P app - of course
it's a client and a server.
I'd just like to know if one person has it working with the emu10k1
driver.
Lee
This give me hope. Maybe proprietary technology
IS inherently inferior!
Dunno, but, the IT-personell of my local university banned Skype after
they discovered it turns itself into a server if it detects good enough
bandwith after some time online. This server is then used to distribute
other people's calls. In other words, it uses your bandwidth for it's
own business without telling you.
6:08 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Skype + emu10k1
Lee Revell wrote:
Well, I don't see a problem with that, Skype is a
P2P app - of course
it's a client and a server.
I'd just like to know if one person has it working with the emu10k1
driver.
Well, OK then ,)
I've used Skype with the emu10k1 driver, but this is with the
SBLiveDrive II, not the Audigy. It has always worked fluently.
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6:15 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Skype + emu10k1
On Mon, Apr 03, 2006 at 03:39:17PM -0400, Lee Revell wrote:
On Mon, 2006-04-03 at 21:27 +0200, Johannes Mario
Ringheim wrote:
But I see a problem with skype's b0rken encryption (they seem to use the same
RC4 sequence twice, with a lot of known plain text bytes in the first
run, so hacking this is straight forward) and the possibility for others
to make their computer a supernode which might route my call if I am
behind a firewall.
For more details see:
http://www.golem.de/0603/44146.html (german)
http://www.secdev.org/conf/skype_BHEU06.handout.pdf (link taken from
above document, very interesting)
Carlo Capocasa wrote:
Well, I don't see a problem with that, Skype is a P2P app - of course
it's a client and a server. This give me hope. Maybe proprietary technology
IS inherently inferior!
Dunno, but, the IT-personell of my local university banned Skype after
they discovered it turns itself into a server if it detects good enough
bandwith after some time online. This server is then used to distribute
other people's calls. In other words, it uses your bandwidth for it's
own business without telling you.
I'd just like to know if one person has it working with the emu10k1
driver.
Sorry for not answering your question either.
Jacob
7 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Skype + emu10k1
On Mon, 2006-04-03 at 22:17 +0200, Jacob wrote:
But I see a problem with skype's b0rken encryption
(they seem to use
the same RC4 sequence twice, with a lot of known plain text bytes in
the first run, so hacking this is straight forward) and the
possibility for others to make their computer a supernode which might
route my call if I am behind a firewall.
For more details see:
http://www.golem.de/0603/44146.html (german)
http://www.secdev.org/conf/skype_BHEU06.handout.pdf (link taken from
above document, very interesting)
Yup, I've read that doc - I'm not a crypto expert so can't really
comment.
Oh well, I guess I have to try the AC97 mic port on the back of the
card, and if that fails, the onboard Via sound.
Hmm, I do have an old hub behind my DSL router, maybe I have to bypass
it...
Lee
7:55 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Skype + emu10k1
On Monday 03 April 2006 17:00, Lee Revell wrote:
On Mon, 2006-04-03 at 22:17 +0200, Jacob wrote:
I'm not doing anything unusual to my firewall or router at all Lee.
And I am using skype occasionally, with it using the onboard nforce
version of the av97 chipset. And except for needing to use
'skype_dsp_hijacker -2nd' in the icon to launch it, its all in
the /etc/modules.conf file. I think maybe you even helped me set it up
originally last fall. Do I need to copy that back to the list again?
But I see a problem with skype's b0rken
encryption (they seem to use
the same RC4 sequence twice, with a lot of known plain text bytes in
the first run, so hacking this is straight forward) and the
possibility for others to make their computer a supernode which
might route my call if I am behind a firewall.
For more details see:
http://www.golem.de/0603/44146.html (german)
http://www.secdev.org/conf/skype_BHEU06.handout.pdf (link taken
from above document, very interesting)
Yup, I've read that doc - I'm not a crypto expert so can't really
comment.
Oh well, I guess I have to try the AC97 mic port on the back of the
card, and if that fails, the onboard Via sound.
Hmm, I do have an old hub behind my DSL router, maybe I have to bypass
it... Lee
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8:04 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Skype + emu10k1
On Mon, 2006-04-03 at 17:55 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
I'm not doing anything unusual to my firewall or
router at all Lee.
And I am using skype occasionally, with it using the onboard nforce
version of the av97 chipset. And except for needing to use
'skype_dsp_hijacker -2nd' in the icon to launch it, its all in
the /etc/modules.conf file. I think maybe you even helped me set it
up originally last fall. Do I need to copy that back to the list
again?
No, it's obviously set up correctly (there's nothing to set up!), this
must be a bug in Skype, because my network and sound work perfectly for
everything else.
Lee
7:43 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Skype + emu10k1
Lee Revell wrote:
On Mon, 2006-04-03 at 21:27 +0200, Johannes Mario
Ringheim wrote:
I had it working with SB live 5.1 platinum, I had to play with mixer
forever to get acceptable level of capture, I still don't know what
fixed it. However regarless of volume level it was pretty smooth, about
the same as phone
However this was done using a friend's skype on the other end, don't
remember whether I got echo working...
my experiments were done using:
skype-1.2.0.18
alsa that comes with kernel 2.6.11
DSL line (on both ends)
erik
Carlo Capocasa wrote:
Well, I don't see a problem with that, Skype is a P2P app - of course
it's a client and a server.
I'd just like to know if one person has it working with the emu10k1
driver. This give me hope. Maybe proprietary technology IS
inherently inferior!
Dunno, but, the IT-personell of my local university banned Skype after
they discovered it turns itself into a server if it detects good enough
bandwith after some time online. This server is then used to distribute
other people's calls. In other words, it uses your bandwidth for it's
own business without telling you.
7:30 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Skype + emu10k1
Carlo Capocasa escribe:
This give me hope. Maybe proprietary technology IS
inherently inferior!
I wonder if SIP would work.
Is Ekiga interoperable with Skype (sure isn't!)?
Is any OS solution interoperable with Skype (sure isn't either)?
Is Ekiga interoperable with Wengo?
Is there any Jabber based voice/webcam application available? Note
that chatting using Jabber and voicing/webcamming using
Ekiga/NetMeeting should be enough, though.
Any pointers welcome.
Cordially, Ismael
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8:47 p.m.
New subject: Skype and LAU (Was: Re: [linux-audio-user] Skype + emu10k1)
Hallo,
Lee Revell hat gesagt: // Lee Revell wrote:
Is Skype for Linux really such a piece of crap, that
it won't work with
one of the best supported devices?
Sorry if my next words sound grumpy, it's not meant to be that grumpy
and of course it's not meant against you personally at all, rather to
start a discussion on the general topic "Skype and LAU":
In my opinion Skype questions are off-topic on this list. Any Skpe
questions should go directly to the Skype support team. The Skype
folks have made it clear that they don't want to deal with open source
developers and they won't support open standards, instead they promote
their proprietary system. I would prefer it if this mailing list would
not become a Skype support forum.
What do others think about this?
Ciao
--
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9:03 p.m.
New subject: Skype and LAU (Was: Re: [linux-audio-user] Skype + emu10k1)
On Tue, 2006-04-04 at 00:47 +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo,
Lee Revell hat gesagt: // Lee Revell wrote:
Well, people talk about proprietary VSTs all the time, and no one
complains. But I see your point.
Let's end the thread here. I didn't want to start a long discussion,
but I guess I should have known it would happen.
Lee
Is Skype for Linux really such a piece of crap,
that it won't work with
one of the best supported devices?
Sorry if my next words sound grumpy, it's not meant to be that grumpy
and of course it's not meant against you personally at all, rather to
start a discussion on the general topic "Skype and LAU":
In my opinion Skype questions are off-topic on this list. Any Skpe
questions should go directly to the Skype support team. The Skype
folks have made it clear that they don't want to deal with open source
developers and they won't support open standards, instead they promote
their proprietary system. I would prefer it if this mailing list would
not become a Skype support forum.
What do others think about this?
10:31 p.m.
New subject: Skype and LAU (Was: Re: [linux-audio-user] Skype + emu10k1)
On Monday 03 April 2006 18:47, Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo,
Lee Revell hat gesagt: // Lee Revell wrote:
I tend to disagree with this, after all skype is another form of audio
usage that linux can do. Since I have in effect 2 audio cards, the one
on the motherboard, not having near as many bells and whistles as the
audigy 2 value, is isolated for use with skype, and all other system
sounds are routed to the audigy. Someone on this list helped me
achieve this, and I'll be only too glad to help someone else in a
similar endeavor.
The fact that skype is a controversial subject all by itself has little
or nothing to do with it until they've been proven guilty of exploiting
a yahoo/time warner sort of a TOS implementation. FWIW, thats exactly
why my sig says what it says. No schmuck at aol/tw/yahoo is going to
get rich from an innocently made remark I might make in an email
message that passes through their servers without me being enriched by
it when and if I discover it. Or at least thats how I intend it with
my pre-emptive copyright notice.
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Cheers, Gene
People having trouble with vz bouncing email to me should add the word
'online' between the 'verizon', and the dot which bypasses vz's
stupid bounce rules. I do use spamassassin too. :-)
Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the above
message by Gene Heskett are:
Copyright 2006 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved.
Is Skype for Linux really such a piece of crap,
that it won't work
with one of the best supported devices?
Sorry if my next words sound grumpy, it's not meant to be that grumpy
and of course it's not meant against you personally at all, rather to
start a discussion on the general topic "Skype and LAU":
In my opinion Skype questions are off-topic on this list. Any Skpe
questions should go directly to the Skype support team. The Skype
folks have made it clear that they don't want to deal with open source
developers and they won't support open standards, instead they promote
their proprietary system. I would prefer it if this mailing list would
not become a Skype support forum.
What do others think about this?
Ciao
4 Apr
4 Apr
7:32 a.m.
New subject: Skype and LAU (Was: Re: [linux-audio-user] Skype + emu10k1)
Hallo,
Gene Heskett hat gesagt: // Gene Heskett wrote:
I tend to disagree with this,
Good. Disagreement makes the world go round.
after all skype is another form of audio usage that
linux can do.
Since I have in effect 2 audio cards, the one on the motherboard,
not having near as many bells and whistles as the audigy 2 value, is
isolated for use with skype, and all other system sounds are routed
to the audigy. Someone on this list helped me achieve this, and
I'll be only too glad to help someone else in a similar endeavor.
I think this is a slightly different issue. Getting two soundcards to
run and play nice with different applications is a general linux audio
question.
I'm more targetting questions like: "Skype doesn't make any sound,
what can I do?" The only answer we can give is: "Does aplay work? Yes?
Then you may contact the upstream authors of Skype, and tell them to
fix their bugs or better yet use a free software to deliver your free
speech through the net."
Ciao
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12:05 p.m.
New subject: Skype and LAU (Was: Re: [linux-audio-user] Skype + emu10k1)
On Tuesday 04 April 2006 05:32, Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo,
Gene Heskett hat gesagt: // Gene Heskett wrote:
Agreed.
I tend to disagree with this,
Good. Disagreement makes the world go round.
after all skype is another form of audio usage
that linux can do.
Since I have in effect 2 audio cards, the one on the motherboard,
not having near as many bells and whistles as the audigy 2 value, is
isolated for use with skype, and all other system sounds are routed
to the audigy. Someone on this list helped me achieve this, and
I'll be only too glad to help someone else in a similar endeavor.
I think this is a slightly different issue. Getting two soundcards to
run and play nice with different applications is a general linux audio
question. I'm more targetting questions like: "Skype
doesn't make any sound,
what can I do?" The only answer we can give is: "Does aplay work? Yes?
Then you may contact the upstream authors of Skype, and tell them to
fix their bugs or better yet use a free software to deliver your free
speech through the net."
Ciao
Well, for a fact I have NDI if aplay works here or not, never tried it.
Does it do anything special that xmms or mplayer, tvtime, or skype
can't do?
As for contacting skype's authors, I assume its in the help menu. Never
felt the need to other than haveing to use skype_dsp_hijacker to run
it.
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Cheers, Gene
People having trouble with vz bouncing email to me should add the word
'online' between the 'verizon', and the dot which bypasses vz's
stupid bounce rules. I do use spamassassin too. :-)
Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the above
message by Gene Heskett are:
Copyright 2006 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved.
2:52 p.m.
New subject: Skype and LAU (Was: Re: [linux-audio-user] Skype + emu10k1)
Hallo,
Gene Heskett hat gesagt: // Gene Heskett wrote:
Well, for a fact I have NDI if aplay works here or
not, never tried it.
Does it do anything special that xmms or mplayer, tvtime, or skype
can't do?
aplay the the sound playing application by the ALSA developers, so it
is a sensible assumption that it should work with a correclty
installed ALSA. If aplay doesn't work, then something is seriously
wrong either with ALSA or the ALSA installation. However if aplay is
working, the reason for failure lies somewhere in the software that is
not working.
Ciao
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5 Apr
5 Apr
7:16 a.m.
New subject: Skype and LAU (Was: Re: [linux-audio-user] Skype + emu10k1)
Just FYI,
I was having troubles with skype on my intel8x0 but installing the
latest alsa-drivers has fixed it.
alsa-drivers-1.0.11rc4
Cheers.
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11:49 p.m.
New subject: Skype and LAU (Was: Re: [linux-audio-user] Skype + emu10k1)
Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo,
Lee Revell hat gesagt: // Lee Revell wrote:
Interesting. Skype does work under Linux and it does use Audio. However
so do a lot of other applications that we don't generally discuss. The
fact that Skype doesn't support open standards is a problem.
Incidentally I am uninstalling it as I type because it just annoys me.
Can't say I'm really that bothered either way, although it has to be
said, I'm having trouble keeping up with this list these days due to the
sheer volume of traffic.
cheers,
tim hall
Is Skype for Linux really such a piece of crap,
that it won't work with
one of the best supported devices?
Sorry if my next words sound grumpy, it's not meant to be that grumpy
and of course it's not meant against you personally at all, rather to
start a discussion on the general topic "Skype and LAU":
In my opinion Skype questions are off-topic on this list. Any Skpe
questions should go directly to the Skype support team. The Skype
folks have made it clear that they don't want to deal with open source
developers and they won't support open standards, instead they promote
their proprietary system. I would prefer it if this mailing list would
not become a Skype support forum.
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