On Thu, 2005-08-04 at 19:43 +0300, Mehmet Okonsar wrote: No. There no good timestretching libraries for open source applications at this time. There are good people working on this and beat detection code, but its not ready yet. Others know much more than me, but I get the sense that the engine is at about the 99% level with regards to Giga files; the GUI may not be as far along. there are no good combined audio/video multitrackers. ardour is a powerful audio multitrack environment, without video. cinelerra is powerful (some say hard to use; it requires major CPU horsepower) video non-linear editor with audio, but its audio facilities are primitive compared to ardour, and it does not use JACK (the last time i looked, anyway) which means it cannot be integrated with other linux audio tools like JAMin. you can sink xjadeo, a simple single-format video player, to ardour or other JACK apps. so it depends on what you want to do. It depends mostly on what you actually think of expensive plugins. Most people tend to think that nothing really compares with the Waves stuff, on any platform, and they might be right. The better of the existing LADSPA plugins are at the level of the best free/lowcost plugins for the most part, a few of them are very very good and compare favorably to costly plugins (though perhaps not waves). JAMin, which is what most people use for mastering on linux, is very powerful as long as you need what it does. if you are a productive and/or professional user of "pro-sumer" or "pro" audio software on the mac or windows, linux will probably be less useful to you at this time. the apps that we have are cool, but are generally not positioned to compete well with products developed explicitly for a paying studio engineering market. your mileage may vary. --p

Mehmet Okonsar wrote: Nothing that I know of is of the same caliber as Vegas. It'd be nice to get this running on linux. I use Waves plugins quite a bit, and I haven't found anything quite extensive - or I should as deep within each plugin - on linux. But, there are plugins that you can use. Here's some places to get started looking: LADSPA - For more about LADSPA: http://www.ladspa.org/ - http://plugin.org.uk/ - http://quitte.de/dsp/pvoc.html - http://users.skynet.be/solaris/linuxaudio/ See Dave's nice writeup: http://linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2001/02/02/ladspa.html Some have been able to get VST plugins to work in Linux. Some work ok, some not at all. To me, it seems a bit of a black art to get it working... though I have in a limited way. Others can tell you more. See: http://www.djcj.org/LAU/ladspavst/ See Dave's tutorial here: http://www.djcj.org/LAU/quicktoots/toots/vst-plugins/ for mastering, check out jamin: http://jamin.sourceforge.net/en/about.html In general, the quantity and quality of Linux audio apps are far below the professional apps found on win and mac. That said, there are a few that are pretty good - like ardour, snd, rosegarden, jamin, ecasound, jack (not an app per se, but should be mentioned). Another important note is that what comes with these apps is linux. That may sound somewhat backwards, but I'll give you an example. I had problems with SoundForge's new batch converter in v8.0 (I went around and around with Sony support. And, after 2 weeks, they finally admitted it was a bug in their code.) In the meantime, I found some plugins that would do the job - not as good as waves, but adequate for what I was doing. I wrote a bash script to process the files and delivered to client. Worked out fine. To do something like this on windows would be tough -- simply because many win apps don't also run in command line mode. No problem on linux. Good luck. -- Brad Fuller (408) 799-6124 ** Sonaural Audio Studios ** (408) 799-6123 West San Jose (408) 799-6124 Cambrian ________________________________ Hear us online: www.Sonaural.com