1 Jun
2007
1 Jun
'07
8:29 a.m.
Dragan Noveski:
Subject: Re: [LAU] Announde: DSP02 - Music composition
software for
children
im i doing something wrong - the appi does not starts here?
console:
nowhiskey@murija2:~/software/nove/dsp/dsp_linux$ ./DSP02.sh
Preparing to start DSP02
Setting up classpath
Launching DSP02
DSP02 ver.1.1.1 (application)
1. Jun 07 2:43:16
I think you need java 5 to run this program.
1 Jun
1 Jun
8:49 a.m.
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Kjetil Svalastog Matheussen wrote:
Dragan Noveski:
ok, i understand - i am having here gcj-4.1 from debian.
some times ago i tried to compile java for my linux box myself, but i
did not managed it.
thanks for the response.
cheers,
doc
Subject: Re: [LAU] Announde: DSP02 - Music
composition software for
children
im i doing something wrong - the appi does not starts here?
console:
nowhiskey@murija2:~/software/nove/dsp/dsp_linux$ ./DSP02.sh
Preparing to start DSP02
Setting up classpath
Launching DSP02
DSP02 ver.1.1.1 (application)
1. Jun 07 2:43:16
I think you need java 5 to run this program.
8:54 a.m.
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On Fri, 1 Jun 2007, Dragan Noveski wrote:
Kjetil Svalastog Matheussen wrote:
You don't have to compile anything, and I doubt gcj will work with dsp02.
Just download the java 5 jdk from java.sun.com, and make sure the
"bin/java" binary in that package is placed first in your path.
Dragan Noveski:
ok, i understand - i am having here gcj-4.1 from debian.
some times ago i tried to compile java for my linux box myself, but i
did not managed it.
thanks for the response.
Subject: Re: [LAU] Announde: DSP02 - Music
composition software for
children
im i doing something wrong - the appi does not starts here?
console:
nowhiskey@murija2:~/software/nove/dsp/dsp_linux$ ./DSP02.sh
Preparing to start DSP02
Setting up classpath
Launching DSP02
DSP02 ver.1.1.1 (application)
1. Jun 07 2:43:16
I think you need java 5 to run this program.
9:07 a.m.
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Kjetil Svalastog Matheussen wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jun 2007, Dragan Noveski wrote:
ok, that sound easy - i am downloading the package:
'java_app_platform_sdk-5_02-linux.bin'
is that the right one?
Kjetil Svalastog Matheussen wrote:
You don't have to compile anything, and I doubt gcj will work with dsp02.
Just download the java 5 jdk from java.sun.com, and make sure the
"bin/java" binary in that package is placed first in your path.
Dragan Noveski:
ok, i understand - i am having here gcj-4.1 from debian.
some times ago i tried to compile java for my linux box myself, but i
did not managed it.
thanks for the response.
Subject: Re: [LAU] Announde: DSP02 - Music
composition software for
children
im i doing something wrong - the appi does not starts here?
console:
nowhiskey@murija2:~/software/nove/dsp/dsp_linux$ ./DSP02.sh
Preparing to start DSP02
Setting up classpath
Launching DSP02
DSP02 ver.1.1.1 (application)
1. Jun 07 2:43:16
I think you need java 5 to run this program.
10:16 a.m.
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On Fri, 1 Jun 2007, Dragan Noveski wrote:
Yes, that one sounds right. (BTW, it should work with java 6
and later as well.)
You don't have to compile anything, and I doubt gcj will work with dsp02.
Just download the java 5 jdk from java.sun.com, and make sure the
"bin/java" binary in that package is placed first in your path.
ok, that sound easy - i am downloading the package:
'java_app_platform_sdk-5_02-linux.bin'
is that the right one?
2 Jun
2 Jun
5:21 p.m.
New subject: Announde: DSP02 - Music composition software for children
This is a Java program. No need to compile it, just run the script supplied.
My comments: This does have a fairly simple interface to playing with sounds.
The parameters portrayed/drawn on these screens are technical, however. One
can have fun with the program but the pitch of the sound (if it has one, you
can download farm animal samples from their site :-) ), is fixed on these
screens. One cannot play a keyboard and compose music with this, just
assemble series of sounds on multiple tracks (quite handily, but still...)
An older child that is bent towards playing with synthesis might get into this
program but when he/she cannot really compose, will doubtless be frustrated
and leave it behind. It is really not a kids program as such. It remains
fairly technical.
The nicest kids program but with enough technical stuff to satisfy adults
(older kids) as well is Tuxpaint. This has been used/tested in Italian
schools. Make a music program along these lines that can be used to play a
real song with all those nice/funny/wierd sounds one concocts (or in its
paradigm, chooses from a pallete and modifies) and you have something!
3 Jun
3 Jun
4:43 p.m.
New subject: Announde: DSP02 - Music composition software for children
Hi David.
I think you misunderstand the intention of this program somewhat. One
of the aims of this program is to give young people a creative option,
and make available tools which don't "help them" by adjusting
everything they might express to narrow grids of 400 year old musical
scales, 300 year old harmonic techniques and hammering it into 4
beats.
The program (together with its forerunner "DSP") has been in use in
lots of schools and in workshops for several years, and i can assure
you that kids getting exposed to DSP02 (or its forerunner) in a class
don't usually "get frustrated and leave it behind", quite the
opposite!
If you tried this program (preferably together with some cheap,
portable recorders to grab their "own" sounds) in a normal school
class, You might get very surprised how open-minded kids may be if
they're not busy adhering to what their teachers or top-forty tells
about what's right or wrong or how its supposed to sound before they
get to try themselves!
-anders
>>>> "DB" == David Baron
<d_baron(a)012.net.il> writes:
DB> My comments: This does have a fairly simple interface to
DB> playing with sounds. The parameters portrayed/drawn on these
DB> screens are technical, however. One can have fun with the
DB> program but the pitch of the sound (if it has one, you can
DB> download farm animal samples from their site :-) ), is fixed
DB> on these screens. One cannot play a keyboard and compose music
DB> with this, just assemble series of sounds on multiple tracks
DB> (quite handily, but still...)
DB> An older child that is bent towards playing with synthesis
DB> might get into this program but when he/she cannot really
DB> compose, will doubtless be frustrated and leave it behind. It
DB> is really not a kids program as such. It remains fairly
DB> technical.
5:23 p.m.
New subject: Announde: DSP02 - Music composition software for children
On Sunday 03 June 2007, andersvi(a)extern.uio.no wrote:
Hi David.
I think you misunderstand the intention of this program somewhat. One
of the aims of this program is to give young people a creative option,
and make available tools which don't "help them" by adjusting
everything they might express to narrow grids of 400 year old musical
scales, 300 year old harmonic techniques and hammering it into 4
beats.
The program (together with its forerunner "DSP") has been in use in
lots of schools and in workshops for several years, and i can assure
you that kids getting exposed to DSP02 (or its forerunner) in a class
don't usually "get frustrated and leave it behind", quite the
opposite!
I see your point. If I want a=440, I would like to hit a key to set that--very
difficult with a slider. If I want to microtune, an old synth let me set a
start and end for its keyboard that now played everything in between. Not
everyone likes Schoenberg but I will never say it is not good or legitimate.
If you tried this program (preferably together with some cheap,
portable recorders to grab their "own" sounds) in a normal school
class, You might get very surprised how open-minded kids may be if
they're not busy adhering to what their teachers or top-forty tells
about what's right or wrong or how its supposed to sound before they
get to try themselves!
OK. After I record or make these sounds, they could go onto a pallette and I
can reuse them the next time or modify again and add the new version to a
pallette as well.
My main argument is that after I have all the sounds, whether I recorded them,
made them in the various panes or downloaded them, I would like to be able to
use them sampler-style. Set a pitch without typing or sliding to some number.
I am not saying only Western scales and nothing but. Arabic Maqamim are also
great. Microtones. OK. Just some more convenient to intuitive way to get them
using the sounds.
>>>> "DB" == David Baron <d_baron(a)012.net.il> writes:
DB> My comments: This does have a fairly simple interface to
DB> playing with sounds. The parameters portrayed/drawn on these
DB> screens are technical, however. One can have fun with the
DB> program but the pitch of the sound (if it has one, you can
DB> download farm animal samples from their site :-) ), is fixed
DB> on these screens. One cannot play a keyboard and compose music
DB> with this, just assemble series of sounds on multiple tracks
DB> (quite handily, but still...)
DB> An older child that is bent towards playing with synthesis
DB> might get into this program but when he/she cannot really
DB> compose, will doubtless be frustrated and leave it behind. It
DB> is really not a kids program as such. It remains fairly
DB> technical.
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