25 Jun
2015
25 Jun
'15
1:24 p.m.
Greetings,
http://soundcloud.com/davephillips69/coral
A harmless tonal exercise.
Description on the SC page. Downloads enabled.
Best,
dp
25 Jun
25 Jun
9:42 p.m.
Dave Phillips, Jun 25 2015:
Greetings,
http://soundcloud.com/davephillips69/coral
Hi Dave,
this is beautiful music! Thank you for sharing this and thanks for enabling the download
option! This is really nice of you and helpful!
What software did you use to generate the sounds? They sound very pleasant and alive.
Ta-ta
----
Ffanci
* Homepage: https://freeshell.de/~silvain
* Twitter: http://twitter.com/ffanci_silvain
* GitHub: https://github.com/fsilvain
26 Jun
26 Jun
midnight
On 06/25/2015 03:42 PM, F. Silvain wrote:
Dave Phillips, Jun 25 2015:
Thanks for checking out my track, I appreciate it. :)
Greetings,
http://soundcloud.com/davephillips69/coral
Hi Dave,
this is beautiful music! Thank you for sharing this and thanks for
enabling the download option! This is really nice of you and helpful!
What software did you use to generate the sounds? They sound very
pleasant and alive.
Four instances of the Angelina synthesizer, a Windows VST plugin. I use
it Bitwig via the Airwave utility. Two instances use the same preset,
the other two run two other presets.
Best,
dp
Ta-ta
----
Ffanci
* Homepage: https://freeshell.de/~silvain
* Twitter: http://twitter.com/ffanci_silvain
* GitHub: https://github.com/fsilvain
12:33 a.m.
On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Dave Phillips <dlphillips(a)woh.rr.com>
wrote:
Four instances of the Angelina synthesizer, a Windows VST plugin. I use it
Bitwig via the Airwave utility. Two instances use the same preset, the
other two run two other presets.
For once I'm going to be the Debbie Downer. I liked the composition but
really didn't like the "voicing". I found it to be "trying hard to be
vocal, but missing by a country mile without any apparent awareness that it
was doing so, and thus not playing to the strengths of the synth".
Usually love your stuff though Dave, and the composition remains strong.
3:58 a.m.
On 06/25/2015 06:33 PM, Paul Davis wrote:
On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Dave Phillips <dlphillips(a)woh.rr.com
<mailto:dlphillips@woh.rr.com>> wrote:
Four instances of the Angelina synthesizer, a Windows VST plugin.
I use it Bitwig via the Airwave utility. Two instances use the
same preset, the other two run two other presets.
For once I'm going to be the Debbie Downer. I liked the composition
but really didn't like the "voicing". I found it to be "trying hard to
be vocal, but missing by a country mile without any apparent awareness
that it was doing so, and thus not playing to the strengths of the synth".
Usually love your stuff though Dave, and the composition remains strong.
That's the second time today that I've encountered the qualifier "Debbie
Downer", once in realtime conversation and now here, though in different
contexts. How bizarre.
I always appreciate the honest appraisal. However, in my admittedly weak
- pitifullly weak - defense, the SC page includes the disclaimer :
"Fake choral music."
Well, okay, it's no defense at all. I admit I liked the sounds, just
please don't cancel my subscription to Ardour, okay ?
I've placed the MIDI file online here :
http://linux-sound.org/midfiles/Coral.mid
Let the revoicing begin.
Btw, the original tempo is 48 bpm, slowing to 35 bpm during the last
three chords.The file was exported from Bitwig, so I loaded it back into
the program to see how well it would import its own exported file. It
got the tracks right but didn't import the tempo information. I loaded
the MIDI file into my antique DOS sequencer, it got the tracks and tempo
but not the ritardando. Today's build of A4 got the tracks, not the
tempo. So whatever sequencer you're using, good luck with all that.
Best,
dp
10:21 a.m.
On Thu, 25 Jun 2015 21:58:39 -0400
Dave Phillips <dlphillips(a)woh.rr.com> wrote:
On 06/25/2015 06:33 PM, Paul Davis wrote:
Challenge accepted! :)
--
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.
On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Dave Phillips <dlphillips(a)woh.rr.com
<mailto:dlphillips@woh.rr.com>> wrote:
Four instances of the Angelina synthesizer, a Windows VST plugin.
I use it Bitwig via the Airwave utility. Two instances use the
same preset, the other two run two other presets.
For once I'm going to be the Debbie Downer. I liked the composition
but really didn't like the "voicing". I found it to be "trying hard to
be vocal, but missing by a country mile without any apparent awareness
that it was doing so, and thus not playing to the strengths of the synth".
Usually love your stuff though Dave, and the composition remains strong.
That's the second time today that I've encountered the qualifier "Debbie
Downer", once in realtime conversation and now here, though in different
contexts. How bizarre.
I always appreciate the honest appraisal. However, in my admittedly weak
- pitifullly weak - defense, the SC page includes the disclaimer :
"Fake choral music."
Well, okay, it's no defense at all. I admit I liked the sounds, just
please don't cancel my subscription to Ardour, okay ?
I've placed the MIDI file online here :
http://linux-sound.org/midfiles/Coral.mid
Let the revoicing begin.
Btw, the original tempo is 48 bpm, slowing to 35 bpm during the last
three chords.The file was exported from Bitwig, so I loaded it back into
the program to see how well it would import its own exported file. It
got the tracks right but didn't import the tempo information. I loaded
the MIDI file into my antique DOS sequencer, it got the tracks and tempo
but not the ritardando. Today's build of A4 got the tracks, not the
tempo. So whatever sequencer you're using, good luck with all that.
Best,
dp 
11:59 a.m.
Dave,
Thanks for sharing. I like the harmonic (somewhat modal?), slow harmonic
flow.
>> On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Dave Phillips
<dlphillips(a)woh.rr.com
>> <mailto:dlphillips@woh.rr.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Four instances of the Angelina synthesizer, a Windows VST plugin.
>> I use it Bitwig via the Airwave utility. Two instances use the
>> same preset, the other two run two other presets.
I'll also have to express an honest doubt about the synth...
> I've placed the MIDI file online here :
>
> http://linux-sound.org/midfiles/Coral.mid
>
> Let the revoicing begin.
And thanks for making it open source ;-)
Challenge accepted! :)
I was going to propose Yoshimi.. but Will's email makes me somwhat
suspect there will be a Yoshimi version :)
Lorenzo.
5:20 p.m.
On Fri, 26 Jun 2015 11:59:36 +0200
Lorenzo Sutton <lorenzofsutton(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Dave,
Thanks for sharing. I like the harmonic (somewhat modal?), slow harmonic
flow.
:)
Actually, I didn't think of the original as a true choral sound, and to me, it
did suggest 'under water' along with the picture. Still, I had quite bit of fun
with this :)
When I saw 4 tracks in the MIDI file I was expecting SATB, which would have
enabled me to use choir sounds that best match those ranges. However, you
really need to have a stern talk with your singers Dave. They were walking all
over each other's ranges quite outrageously. Indeed, I'm surprised there
weren't fisticuffs!
The compromise I worked out was to use 'Another Choir' for track 1, 'Soft
Ahh'
for tracks 2 & 4, 'Boy Choir' for track 3.
This still wasn't ideal as the lower notes lacked body, so I made a 5th track
from a merge of all the others, shaved off the top octave or so, and set it to
'Smooth'. This can make quite a nice Mmmm choir.
Here is the final track along with the Rosegarden file and yoshi/zyn patchset.
(you'll see I was able to reinstate the ritardando).
http://www.musically.me.uk/Coral-2.ogg
http://www.musically.me.uk/Coral-2.rg
http://www.musically.me.uk/Coral-2.xmz
I'll leave these files up for a couple of weeks or so.
--
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.
>> On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Dave
Phillips <dlphillips(a)woh.rr.com
>> <mailto:dlphillips@woh.rr.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Four instances of the Angelina synthesizer, a Windows VST plugin.
>> I use it Bitwig via the Airwave utility. Two instances use the
>> same preset, the other two run two other presets.
I'll also have to express an honest doubt about the synth...
> I've placed the MIDI file online here :
>
> http://linux-sound.org/midfiles/Coral.mid
>
> Let the revoicing begin.
And thanks for making it open source ;-)
Challenge accepted! :)
I was going to propose Yoshimi.. but Will's email makes me somwhat
suspect there will be a Yoshimi version :)
Lorenzo.
30 Jun
30 Jun
12:57 p.m.
On 06/26/2015 11:21 AM, Will Godfrey wrote:
re: Coral.mid
Actually, I didn't think of the original as a true
choral sound, and
to me, it did suggest 'under water' along with the picture. Still, I
had quite bit of fun with this :) When I saw 4 tracks in the MIDI file
I was expecting SATB, which would have enabled me to use choir sounds
that best match those ranges. However, you really need to have a stern
talk with your singers Dave. They were walking all over each other's
ranges quite outrageously. Indeed, I'm surprised there weren't fisticuffs!
It seems they were mostly drunk. I made it clear to them that I'd
tolerate no more such behavior, but like most of the singers I work
with, I don't think they were listening to me. :)
The compromise I worked out was to use 'Another
Choir' for track 1,
'Soft Ahh' for tracks 2 & 4, 'Boy Choir' for track 3. This still
wasn't ideal as the lower notes lacked body, so I made a 5th track
from a merge of all the others, shaved off the top octave or so, and
set it to 'Smooth'. This can make quite a nice Mmmm choir. Here is the
final track along with the Rosegarden file and yoshi/zyn patchset.
(you'll see I was able to reinstate the ritardando).
Very cool thinking, it's a nice work-around where the original sounds
relied on the Angelina synth patch.
http://www.musically.me.uk/Coral-2.ogg
http://www.musically.me.uk/Coral-2.rg
http://www.musically.me.uk/Coral-2.xmz I'll leave these files up for a
couple of weeks or so.
Thanks, Will, I really enjoyed the OGG file. I didn't think it would
work out as a more-or-less standard choral piece but you made some nice
moves on it. Well done, sir !
Best,
dp
1:30 p.m.
On 06/26/2015 05:59 AM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
That synth sound really divides opinions. Most responses have indicated
a liking for the composition, but a few have been dissatisfied with the
synth sounds. As I wrote to Paul, I like the sounds, but since making
the MIDI file available anyone is free to revoice it to the heart's
desire. I'm patiently waiting for your version, Lorenzo. :)
Most (all?) my productions are CC-licensed, I welcome anyone's version
of my music. At some point I'll be well beyond caring who uses it for
what, might as well get comfortable with that notion now.
Dave,
Thanks for sharing. I like the harmonic (somewhat modal?), slow
harmonic flow.
It's somewhere between modal and tonal. There's no pre-determined scheme
for the harmony, and each part was conceived as its own line, so it's
fair to say that the harmony derived from the counterpoint, not vice-versa.
>> On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Dave
Phillips <dlphillips(a)woh.rr.com
>> <mailto:dlphillips@woh.rr.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Four instances of the Angelina synthesizer, a Windows VST plugin.
>> I use it Bitwig via the Airwave utility. Two instances use the
>> same preset, the other two run two other presets.
I'll also have to express an honest doubt about the synth...
> I've
placed the MIDI file online here :
>
> http://linux-sound.org/midfiles/Coral.mid
>
> Let the revoicing begin.
And thanks for making it open source ;-)
I was going to propose Yoshimi.. but Will's email makes me somwhat
suspect there will be a Yoshimi version :)
Suspicions confirmed. Well, you'll just have to use a different synth.
Maybe one from this nice site :
http://www.linuxsynths.com
Best,
dp
2:53 p.m.
On 30/06/2015 13:30, Dave Phillips wrote:
That synth sound really divides opinions. Most responses have indicated
a liking for the composition, but a few have been dissatisfied with the
synth sounds. As I wrote to Paul, I like the sounds, but since making
the MIDI file available anyone is free to revoice it to the heart's
desire. I'm patiently waiting for your version, Lorenzo. :)
Ok sir. Challenge accepted. :-)
But as the Yoshimi version is already taken I'll try something a bit
more experimental...
But you'll have to be patient as time-for-music is really limited these
days. ;-)
Lorenzo.
15 Jul
15 Jul
10:08 p.m.
On 30/06/15 14:53, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
So here it is:
https://soundcloud.com/lorenzosu/coral-revoice
Quite a bit different from the original.. But I tried to keep some of
the character I felt from it.
(Direct download:
https://soundcloud.com/lorenzosu/coral-revoice/download )
Lorenzo.
On 30/06/2015 13:30, Dave Phillips wrote:
>
...
I'm
patiently waiting for your version, Lorenzo. :)
Ok sir. Challenge accepted. :-)
11:20 p.m.
On 07/15/2015 04:08 PM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
On 30/06/15 14:53, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
So here it is:
https://soundcloud.com/lorenzosu/coral-revoice
Quite a bit different from the original.. But I tried to keep some of
the character I felt from it.
Wow, *quite* a bit different, but I love the contrast to the original,
like it was reharmonized by Ligeti. :) Thank you !
Best,
dp
On 30/06/2015 13:30, Dave Phillips wrote:
>
...
I'm
patiently waiting for your version, Lorenzo. :)
Ok sir. Challenge accepted. :-)
11:38 p.m.
On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 17:20:33 -0400
Dave Phillips <dlphillips(a)woh.rr.com> wrote:
On 07/15/2015 04:08 PM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
Certainly different. Like Lorenzo went in *exactly* the opposite direction to
me :)
Interesting... anyone for 90 degrees?
--
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.
On 30/06/15 14:53, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
So here it is:
https://soundcloud.com/lorenzosu/coral-revoice
Quite a bit different from the original.. But I tried to keep some of
the character I felt from it.
Wow, *quite* a bit different, but I love the contrast to the original,
like it was reharmonized by Ligeti. :) Thank you !
Best,
dp
On 30/06/2015 13:30, Dave Phillips wrote:
>
...
I'm
patiently waiting for your version, Lorenzo. :)
Ok sir. Challenge accepted. :-)
16 Jul
16 Jul
11:41 a.m.
On 15/07/2015 23:40, Will Godfrey wrote:
On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 17:20:33 -0400
Dave Phillips <dlphillips(a)woh.rr.com> wrote:
> On 07/15/2015 04:08 PM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
>> On 30/06/15 14:53, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
>>> On 30/06/2015 13:30, Dave Phillips wrote:
>>>>
>> ...
>>
>>>> I'm patiently waiting for your version, Lorenzo. :)
>>>
>>> Ok sir. Challenge accepted. :-)
>>
>> So here it is:
>>
>> https://soundcloud.com/lorenzosu/coral-revoice
>>
>> Quite a bit different from the original.. But I tried to keep some of
>> the character I felt from it.
>>
>
> Wow, *quite* a bit different, but I love the contrast to the original,
> like it was reharmonized by Ligeti. :) Thank you !
>
Wow thanks Dave.. That's a rather flattering comparison.
Happy to know you enjoyed it.
Certainly different. Like Lorenzo went in *exactly* the opposite direction to
me :)
Will: Indeed I guess the result sounds that way. Although my idea wasn't
to do that "at all costs".. e.g. there *are* still quite a few tonal and
harmonic (more as in spectrum, not chords) features. Anyway thanks for
listening and for the comment :)
Lorenzo.
26 Jun
26 Jun
5:33 p.m.
On 06/26/2015 02:58 AM, Dave Phillips wrote:
On 06/25/2015 06:33 PM, Paul Davis wrote:
sorry Dave, Coral.mid has no other tempo information but the initial 48
bpm (1250000@960tpqn)...
bitwig is probably scaling events along the timeline, hard-coding
ritardandos
just my 2c diag.
--
rncbc aka. Rui Nuno Capela
On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Dave Phillips <dlphillips(a)woh.rr.com
<mailto:dlphillips@woh.rr.com>> wrote:
Four instances of the Angelina synthesizer, a Windows VST plugin.
I use it Bitwig via the Airwave utility. Two instances use the
same preset, the other two run two other presets.
For once I'm going to be the Debbie Downer. I liked the composition
but really didn't like the "voicing". I found it to be "trying hard
to
be vocal, but missing by a country mile without any apparent awareness
that it was doing so, and thus not playing to the strengths of the synth".
Usually love your stuff though Dave, and the composition remains strong.
That's the second time today that I've encountered the qualifier "Debbie
Downer", once in realtime conversation and now here, though in different
contexts. How bizarre.
I always appreciate the honest appraisal. However, in my admittedly weak
- pitifullly weak - defense, the SC page includes the disclaimer :
"Fake choral music."
Well, okay, it's no defense at all. I admit I liked the sounds, just
please don't cancel my subscription to Ardour, okay ?
I've placed the MIDI file online here :
http://linux-sound.org/midfiles/Coral.mid
Let the revoicing begin.
Btw, the original tempo is 48 bpm, slowing to 35 bpm during the last
three chords.The file was exported from Bitwig, so I loaded it back into
the program to see how well it would import its own exported file. It
got the tracks right but didn't import the tempo information. I loaded
the MIDI file into my antique DOS sequencer, it got the tracks and tempo
but not the ritardando. Today's build of A4 got the tracks, not the
tempo. So whatever sequencer you're using, good luck with all that.
30 Jun
30 Jun
12:50 p.m.
On 06/26/2015 11:33 AM, Rui Nuno Capela wrote:
On 06/26/2015 02:58 AM, Dave Phillips wrote:
Thanks, Rui, I wondered about that. Curiously, Bitwig will import tempo
data from a MIDI file, but apparently it won't export the same data. Boo. :(
Maybe changed in 1.2, I don't know, I'm not on the list of first responders.
Best,
dp
re: Coral.mid
Btw, the original tempo is 48 bpm, slowing to 35 bpm during the last
three chords.The file was exported from Bitwig, so I loaded it back into
the program to see how well it would import its own exported file. It
got the tracks right but didn't import the tempo information. I loaded
the MIDI file into my antique DOS sequencer, it got the tracks and tempo
but not the ritardando. Today's build of A4 got the tracks, not the
tempo. So whatever sequencer you're using, good luck with all that.
sorry Dave, Coral.mid has no other tempo information but the initial
48 bpm (1250000@960tpqn)...
bitwig is probably scaling events along the timeline, hard-coding
ritardandos
just my 2c diag.
1:03 p.m.
On 06/25/2015 06:33 PM, Paul Davis wrote:
On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Dave Phillips <dlphillips(a)woh.rr.com
<mailto:dlphillips@woh.rr.com>> wrote:
Four instances of the Angelina synthesizer, a Windows VST plugin.
I use it Bitwig via the Airwave utility. Two instances use the
same preset, the other two run two other presets.
For once I'm going to be the Debbie Downer. I liked the composition
but really didn't like the "voicing". I found it to be "trying hard to
be vocal, but missing by a country mile without any apparent awareness
that it was doing so, and thus not playing to the strengths of the synth".
Usually love your stuff though Dave, and the composition remains strong.
Just a note to point out that my original reply to this message should
have had some smiley-face thingies in it. I'm always pleased to hear
from you, Paul, and I truly appreciate your comments.
I'm such a pedant, I need to remind myself of the Joker's wisdom ("Why
so serious ?!") when I write a reply.
Btw, I mentioned the Debbie Downer remark because until that day I'd
never heard the phrase. Encountering it twice in one day was a little
weird for me. I probably need to get out more.
Best,
dp
1 Jul
1 Jul
1:13 a.m.
On Thu, 25 Jun 2015 18:00:04 -0400
Dave Phillips <dlphillips(a)woh.rr.com> wrote:
Four instances of the Angelina synthesizer, a Windows
VST plugin. I
use it Bitwig via the Airwave utility. Two instances use the same
preset, the other two run two other presets.
Sorry for the rather basic question. I have downloaded the Angelina
synth. How can it be used ? System is Linux Mint x86_64. Running
Ardour 3.0, wine installed (using it for the Korg microstation
editor). Also have Renoise, if it matters. - thanks.
Cheers.
2:54 a.m.
On 06/30/2015 07:13 PM, jonetsu(a)teksavvy.com wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jun 2015 18:00:04 -0400
Dave Phillips <dlphillips(a)woh.rr.com> wrote:
I use it in Bitwig with the Airwave utility :
https://github.com/phantom-code/airwave
Other solutions include Festige :
http://festige.sourceforge.net/
and Carla :
http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/Applications:Carla
You can also try a version of Ardour built with support for Windows
VSTs, but you'll have to build it or use the 32-bit version from AVLinux
(maybe other distros ?). Or you can run Reaper under Wine and use it for
its VST support.
Btw, the system here is Fedora 19 x86_64, with help from Planet CCRMA. :)
HTH,
dp
Four instances of the Angelina synthesizer, a
Windows VST plugin. I
use it Bitwig via the Airwave utility. Two instances use the same
preset, the other two run two other presets.
Sorry for the rather basic question.
I have downloaded the Angelina
synth. How can it be used ? System is Linux Mint x86_64. Running
Ardour 3.0, wine installed (using it for the Korg microstation
editor). Also have Renoise, if it matters. - thanks.
Cheers.
26 Jun
26 Jun
12:18 a.m.
On Thu, 25 Jun 2015 07:24:41 -0400
Dave Phillips <dlphillips(a)woh.rr.com> wrote:
Greetings,
http://soundcloud.com/davephillips69/coral
A harmless tonal exercise.
Description on the SC page. Downloads enabled.
Best,
dp
Very soothing chill-out theme :)
--
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.
8:04 p.m.
Dave Phillips wrote:
Greetings,
http://soundcloud.com/davephillips69/coral
A harmless tonal exercise.
Description on the SC page. Downloads enabled.
Best,
dp
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Hmmm, much better than 'harmless' quite soothing to the soul!
30 Jun
30 Jun
1:08 p.m.
On 06/26/2015 02:04 PM, Glen MacArthur wrote:
Dave Phillips wrote:
Well okay, how about "non-fattening" ? :)
Thanks for listening, G !
Best,
dp
Greetings,
http://soundcloud.com/davephillips69/coral
A harmless tonal exercise.
Hmmm, much better than 'harmless' quite soothing to the soul!
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