30 Mar
2023
30 Mar
'23
10:48 p.m.
Hello list!
Off topic, but maybe some of you guys got any advice?
I've mainly been using Thunderbird and Evolution as my mail readers,
because they have powerful search capabilities and good folder and
account management. But I find both seriously lacking in contact mangement.
Editing contacts require loads of clicks and mouse navigation to enter
info to those fields I use most often:
Name, email (might be multiple), phone (might be multiple), Street
Address, Organization / Company, Birthday, Notes.
I'd like a spreadsheet approach instead: a simple list view of the
preferred columns, right click to get a "Mail to" context and double
click in a field to edit. Or something similar. And keyboard navigation,
please.
I want sync across devices (that is Android phone, PC and occasional
webmail) but I don't want Google, so I'm using a CardDAV address book.
Thunderbird doesn't even let me use cardDAV as default address book but
saves all contacts to "Personal address book". Evolution opens contacts
in a tabbed window without CTRL-TAB navigation. Etc.
So. Does anyone here have pointers to mail readers with powerful search,
good folder and account management AND good contact management?
I'll happily accept personal mail to keep the OT clutter minimal.
Thankful for any input.
2 Apr
2 Apr
3:34 a.m.
Okay, you might not like this suggestion, but have looked into emacs? I
don't do email, contact management, or syncing with emacs, but I bet you
someone does, and I guarantee you can do some crazy things like use
emacs's SES (simple emacs spreadsheet) to edit in contacts. And, you
wouldn't have to touch the mouse.
Maybe go on the emacs subreddit, IRC, or other emacs communities and ask
and I bet you could piece together some packages and some elisp
configuration to get this kind of thing done.
Anyways, I think that's about all I can say on the topic. For me,
thunderbird works well and I don't really keep up with contacts with my
email client. Let me know how it goes and if you find solutions.
Brandon Hale
On 3/30/23 16:48, Alf Haakon Pietruszka Lund wrote:
Hello list!
Off topic, but maybe some of you guys got any advice?
I've mainly been using Thunderbird and Evolution as my mail readers,
because they have powerful search capabilities and good folder and
account management. But I find both seriously lacking in contact
mangement.
Editing contacts require loads of clicks and mouse navigation to enter
info to those fields I use most often:
Name, email (might be multiple), phone (might be multiple), Street
Address, Organization / Company, Birthday, Notes.
I'd like a spreadsheet approach instead: a simple list view of the
preferred columns, right click to get a "Mail to" context and double
click in a field to edit. Or something similar. And keyboard
navigation, please.
I want sync across devices (that is Android phone, PC and occasional
webmail) but I don't want Google, so I'm using a CardDAV address book.
Thunderbird doesn't even let me use cardDAV as default address book
but saves all contacts to "Personal address book". Evolution opens
contacts in a tabbed window without CTRL-TAB navigation. Etc.
So. Does anyone here have pointers to mail readers with powerful
search, good folder and account management AND good contact management?
I'll happily accept personal mail to keep the OT clutter minimal.
Thankful for any input.
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4:13 a.m.
Brandon Hale <bthaleproductions(a)gmail.com> writes:
Okay, you might not like this suggestion, but have
looked into emacs?
I don't do email, contact management, or syncing with emacs, but I bet
you someone does, and I guarantee you can do some crazy things like
use emacs's SES (simple emacs spreadsheet) to edit in contacts. And,
you wouldn't have to touch the mouse.
I use Gnus for Email and nntp. Don't really do "contact management"
with Emacs. There ebdb and org-contacts for that, apparently. No idea
how useful either would be.
--
David Kastrup
8:27 a.m.
On 2023-03-30 22:48, Alf Haakon Pietruszka Lund wrote:
Thunderbird doesn't even let me use cardDAV as
default address book but saves
all contacts to "Personal address book". Evolution opens contacts in a tabbed
window without CTRL-TAB navigation. Etc.
Have you checked Thunderbird add-ons?
Tools->Add-Ons and Themes->Find more add-ons
Search for "carddav"
https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/search/?q=carddav&appv…
Okay. It could be a one-way street. Still saving to personal address book but
from what I can read the four I get when I search can sync and retrieve
contacts, it seems.
--
/bengan
10 Apr
10 Apr
9:42 p.m.
On 02.04.2023 08:27, Bengt Gördén wrote:
On 2023-03-30 22:48, Alf Haakon Pietruszka Lund
wrote:
This one seems to be hitting closest to target - the Cardbook addon
looks promising.
Thanks for all ideas!
Thunderbird doesn't even let me use cardDAV
as default address book
but saves all contacts to "Personal address book". Evolution opens
contacts in a tabbed window without CTRL-TAB navigation. Etc.
Have you checked Thunderbird add-ons?
Tools->Add-Ons and Themes->Find more add-ons
Search for "carddav"
https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/search/?q=carddav&appv…
Okay. It could be a one-way street. Still saving to personal address
book but from what I can read the four I get when I search can sync and
retrieve contacts, it seems. 
15 Apr
15 Apr
11:45 p.m.
On Thu, Mar 30, 2023 at 10:48:04PM +0200, Alf Haakon Pietruszka Lund wrote:
I've mainly been using Thunderbird and Evolution
as my mail readers
[...]
Editing contacts require loads of clicks and mouse navigation to enter
info to those fields I use most often:
Name, email (might be multiple), phone (might be multiple), Street
Address, Organization / Company, Birthday, Notes.
I'd like a spreadsheet approach instead: a simple list view of the
preferred columns, right click to get a "Mail to" context and double
click in a field to edit. Or something similar. And keyboard
navigation, please.
Maybe write an extension for Thunderbird or Evolution, to add the
functionality you desire (or modify the existing functionality until it
works as desired)?
I want sync across devices (that is Android phone, PC
and occasional
webmail) but I don't want Google, so I'm using a CardDAV address book.
Thunderbird doesn't even let me use cardDAV as default address book
but saves all contacts to "Personal address book". Evolution opens
contacts in a tabbed window without CTRL-TAB navigation. Etc.
So. Does anyone here have pointers to mail readers with powerful
search, good folder and account management AND good contact
management?
Mutt's "limit" functionality is powerful enough for most use-cases. For
additional oomph, you can add Notmuch - but it's usually not needed.
For address book management, `abook` is OK. It lacks cardDAV support,
unfortunately, but is otherwise quite capable. Here is the relevant
man page excerpt:
"The following inputformats are supported:
- abook abook native format
- ldif ldif / Netscape addressbook
- mutt mutt alias
- pine pine addressbook
- csv comma separated values
- palmcsv Palm comma separated values
- vcard VCard addressbook
The following outputformats are supported:
- abook abook native format
- ldif ldif / Netscape addressbook (.4ld)
- mutt mutt alias
- html html document
- pine pine addressbook
- vcard VCard addressbook
- csv comma separated values
- palmcsv Palm comma separated values
- elm elm alias
- text plain text
- spruce Spruce address book
- wl Wanderlust address book
- bsdcal BSD calendar
- custom Custom output format"
I would be surprised if you can't rig up a script to convert from
CardDAV to abook and vice versa - perhaps via VCard or CSV as an
intermediate format - and then set up a hook to call that script each
time you update the address book. Can't currently bring to mind the
utilities for converting between VCard or CSV on the one hand and
CardDAV on the other, but I believe conversion tools do exist.
Good luck!
Sam
16 Apr
16 Apr
10:26 p.m.
On Sat, Apr 15, 2023 at 10:45:32PM +0100, Sam Kuper wrote:
Can't currently bring to mind the utilities for
converting between
VCard or CSV on the one hand and CardDAV on the other, but I believe
conversion tools do exist.
Some potentially useful utilities:
Virtual Contact File: https://wiki.fileformat.com/email/vcf/
vdirsyncer: http://vdirsyncer.pimutils.org/
vdirsyncer manual:
http://readthedocs.org/projects/vdirsyncer/downloads/pdf/latest/
vdirsyncer configuration examples:
https://www.dj-bauer.de/terminal-calendar-with-khal-en.html
khard: https://github.com/scheibler/khard
Using khard with Mutt: https://khard.readthedocs.io/en/v0.14.0/
calcardbackup: https://codeberg.org/BernieO/calcardbackup
Radicale: https://radicale.org/2.1.html
Source:
https://www.linux-magazine.com/Issues/2020/235/Using-CalDAV-CardDAV-to-mana…
17 Apr
17 Apr
4:47 a.m.
If it were me right now I'd try BetterBird. Fork of Thunderbird with
oodles of bugs fixed and improvements working well, including easy CardDAV.
https://www.betterbird.eu/
J.E.B.
On 4/16/23 15:26, Sam Kuper wrote:
On Sat, Apr 15, 2023 at 10:45:32PM +0100, Sam Kuper
wrote:
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Can't currently bring to mind the utilities
for converting between
VCard or CSV on the one hand and CardDAV on the other, but I believe
conversion tools do exist.
Some potentially useful utilities:
Virtual Contact File:https://wiki.fileformat.com/email/vcf/
vdirsyncer:http://vdirsyncer.pimutils.org/
vdirsyncer manual:
http://readthedocs.org/projects/vdirsyncer/downloads/pdf/latest/
vdirsyncer configuration examples:
https://www.dj-bauer.de/terminal-calendar-with-khal-en.html
khard:https://github.com/scheibler/khard
Using khard with Mutt:https://khard.readthedocs.io/en/v0.14.0/
calcardbackup:https://codeberg.org/BernieO/calcardbackup
Radicale:https://radicale.org/2.1.html
Source:
https://www.linux-magazine.com/Issues/2020/235/Using-CalDAV-CardDAV-to-mana…
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