25 Aug
2014
25 Aug
'14
12:16 p.m.
Hi there,
I'm looking for nice an simple tuning program for tuning some Ukuleles.
I stumbled upon gxtuner, which seems very nice, except that it doesn't
work for some reason.
I use the thing with jack. The mic definitely works, I can hear
everything trough the speakers if I make the appropriate connection.
However, gxtuner doesn't seem to be processing any audio, the needle
doesn't move and it doesn't show any notes. Any idea what could be
wrong? I'm on Arch Linux, gxtuner 2.1.
Any alternatives you can recommend?
Regards,
Philipp
25 Aug
25 Aug
1:24 p.m.
On Mon, 2014-08-25 at 12:16 +0200, Philipp Überbacher wrote:
I'm on Arch Linux, gxtuner 2.1.
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ pacman -Q gxtuner
gxtuner 2.1-1
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ pacman -Q jack2
jack2 1.9.10-1
Here gxtuner does recognize my sine waves (voice init) from a DX7, but
high frequencies are ignored and btw. for the frequencies that are
recognised, gxtuner or my DX7 is very inaccurate.
My Boss TU-12H is able to notice all frequencies from the DX7 and claims
that all frequencies are accurate. My hearing claims that the Boss
tuner's claim is ok and that gxtuner is mistake.
Some years ago I tested several tuners. The Boss TU-12H is one of the
best I know, while many other tuners were completely unusable. One Linux
tuner I tested was very good too, IIRC it was fmit but it doesn't work
anymore since years, perhaps it was another Linux tuner. I bought and
tested many tuners, the Boss TU-12H and another one from Korg (not
available anymore) are the only tuners that fit to my taste ... yes, one
Linux tuner, perhaps fmit fit to my needs too, but it stopped working
years ago. I don't test tuners all the times, I simply stay with the
tuner that fits to my needs. You should test any instrument tuner
available for Linux, some might be crap and others might do what you
want.
2:25 p.m.
On Mon, 25 Aug 2014 13:23:56 +0200
Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf(a)rocketmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 2014-08-25 at 12:16 +0200, Philipp Überbacher
wrote:
Thanks Ralf, I tried lingot and it seems to be OK. Not as fancy looking
but it nicely shows notes, cents and frequency. No problem with jack
either. I still wonder what is wrong with gxtuner though.
Regards,
Philipp
I'm on Arch Linux, gxtuner 2.1.
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ pacman -Q gxtuner
gxtuner 2.1-1
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ pacman -Q jack2
jack2 1.9.10-1
Here gxtuner does recognize my sine waves (voice init) from a DX7, but
high frequencies are ignored and btw. for the frequencies that are
recognised, gxtuner or my DX7 is very inaccurate.
My Boss TU-12H is able to notice all frequencies from the DX7 and
claims that all frequencies are accurate. My hearing claims that the
Boss tuner's claim is ok and that gxtuner is mistake.
Some years ago I tested several tuners. The Boss TU-12H is one of the
best I know, while many other tuners were completely unusable. One
Linux tuner I tested was very good too, IIRC it was fmit but it
doesn't work anymore since years, perhaps it was another Linux tuner.
I bought and tested many tuners, the Boss TU-12H and another one from
Korg (not available anymore) are the only tuners that fit to my
taste ... yes, one Linux tuner, perhaps fmit fit to my needs too, but
it stopped working years ago. I don't test tuners all the times, I
simply stay with the tuner that fits to my needs. You should test any
instrument tuner available for Linux, some might be crap and others
might do what you want.
2:42 p.m.
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On Mon, 2014-08-25 at 14:25 +0200, Philipp Überbacher wrote:
Thanks Ralf, I tried lingot and it seems to be OK. Not
as fancy
looking but it nicely shows notes, cents and frequency. No problem
with jack either. I still wonder what is wrong with gxtuner though.
Likely nothing is wrong with this tuner, tuners are problematic. Thank
you, I'll test lingot soon. It's not pleasant to insert the Boss tuner I
prefer all the times.
3:09 p.m.
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"Ukulele" ;). For playing chords or scales? I never used an ukulele, but
tuning for chords is more important, than for playing melodies. Octave
uncleanness of the instrument is less important for tunes, but a PITA
for chord comping. Fortunately I prefer power chords over suspended
chords, IMO tuning already is a PITA when playing punk-rock, but at
least an issue for jazz comping.
4:51 p.m.
You need to run jack in realtime mode to use gx_tuner. İf jack is already rt, try a higher
level. Gx_tuner use a lower rt-level then jack, if jack use a to low level, the
pitchtracker thread wont be finished in time.
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"Philipp Überbacher" <murks(a)tuxfamily.org> schrieb:
On Mon, 25 Aug 2014 13:23:56 +0200
Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf(a)rocketmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 2014-08-25 at 12:16 +0200, Philipp Überbacher
wrote:
Thanks Ralf, I tried lingot and it seems to be OK. Not as fancy looking
but it nicely shows notes, cents and frequency. No problem with jack
either. I still wonder what is wrong with gxtuner though.
Regards,
Philipp
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I'm on Arch Linux, gxtuner 2.1.
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ pacman -Q gxtuner
gxtuner 2.1-1
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ pacman -Q jack2
jack2 1.9.10-1
Here gxtuner does recognize my sine waves (voice init) from a DX7, but
high frequencies are ignored and btw. for the frequencies that are
recognised, gxtuner or my DX7 is very inaccurate.
My Boss TU-12H is able to notice all frequencies from the DX7 and
claims that all frequencies are accurate. My hearing claims that the
Boss tuner's claim is ok and that gxtuner is mistake.
Some years ago I tested several tuners. The Boss TU-12H is one of the
best I know, while many other tuners were completely unusable. One
Linux tuner I tested was very good too, IIRC it was fmit but it
doesn't work anymore since years, perhaps it was another Linux tuner.
I bought and tested many tuners, the Boss TU-12H and another one from
Korg (not available anymore) are the only tuners that fit to my
taste ... yes, one Linux tuner, perhaps fmit fit to my needs too, but
it stopped working years ago. I don't test tuners all the times, I
simply stay with the tuner that fits to my needs. You should test any
instrument tuner available for Linux, some might be crap and others
might do what you want.
8:36 p.m.
Am 25.08.2014 14:25, schrieb Philipp Überbacher:
I still wonder what is wrong with gxtuner though.
Gxtuner use a lower priory then jack, to avoid conflicts with really
real-time apps. So, if you use jack with a to low rt-priory, gxtuner
wouldn't work, because the pitch tracker thread won't finish before the
deadline.
Gxtuner work well for stringed instruments.
However, wouldn't comment on the rest of the thread.
by
hermann
10:28 p.m.
Am 25.08.2014 14:25, schrieb Philipp Überbacher:
I still wonder what is wrong with gxtuner though.
You properly need to increase the jack rt-priory. gxtuner use a lower
priory then jack, to avoid any trouble with other jack clients, a tuner
should be the first to step back. If jack runs with a to low rt-priory
(or without), gxtuner wouldn't work, because the pitch-tracker thread
wouldn't finished before timeout.
Regarding incorrectness of the tuner, it is ~2 cents.
best
hermann
2:35 p.m.
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On Mon, 2014-08-25 at 12:16 +0200, Philipp Überbacher wrote:
Any alternatives you can recommend?
Recommendations are hard to do ;). I love the TU-12H temperature, I love
atonal music, based on the temperature similar or equal to this tuner's
temperature. I dislike to tune an instrument without a tuner, it's hard
to do and takes much time. Some instruments can't be tuned by tuners,
using a tuner is impossible to tune e.g. a (grand) piano ... you need to
mute strings during tuning ... "hell". When I was a guitarist some years
ago, tuning a guitar wasn't pleasant ;). Gxtuner seemingly isn't made to
tune the high frequency instruments. To find a tuner that works is hard
to do. Tune the instrument by hearing, assumed you don't want to sync
synth. When using natural instruments and synthetic instruments, then
the tuning is one of the important parts of mixing the composition ...
only trust your hearing and spend much time to fit the temperatures of
one instrument to another. It's painful, hard to do, the opposite of
fun :D.
I hate tuning instruments, I'm not good in doing this, but people always
are surprised that the MIDI gear does fit that good to the tuning of the
natural instruments of my recordings. Amen. In the early days I tuned
guitars by standard tuning (Guitar at 440 Hz only) using a Korg GT-6J (I
still own it and it still should work), later until today I'm using the
Boss TU-12H for all kinds of instruments with the limited pitch range
from A = 440 to 445.
There's no perfect tuning, but a temperature that fit close to the
feeling and even if you find a tuner that fits to your feeling regarding
the temperature, it might not be able to provide the wanted tuning < or
440 Hz.
5:26 p.m.
On Mon, 25 Aug 2014, Philipp Überbacher wrote:
I'm looking for nice an simple tuning program for
tuning some Ukuleles.
I stumbled upon gxtuner, which seems very nice, except that it doesn't
work for some reason.
Generally I use guitarix, but that would be overkill for what you are
doing, So I installed some tuners:
lingot: I like it, the meter is very responsive without being too jittery.
Works with jack. I will probably keep this.
gxtuner: this works for me too, a bit more needle jitter than lingot, but
still very usable. Works with jack. No menus or settings besides the two
in the bottom corners.
gtkguitune: I could not get this to work. (I did not try very hard) It did
not create a jack port nor does it have any way of choosing an audio
device. For me this is useless as I run Jack all the time and do not want
to stop jack just to tune. I do recognize the GUI from times past and seem
to recall it was hard to use anyway, being too sensitive and jittery to
see what I was doing.
You may prefer lingot if only because you have visual feedback that there
is signal present even if there is not enough information for tuning
purposes, but gxtuner should work with jack just fine.
I am finding out why my guitar is so hard to play.... The intonation is
really bad... E is flat while G (two frets up) is sharp :P This guitar
uses a fret for the nut so this may be hard to fix.
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11:43 p.m.
On Mon, 25 Aug 2014, Len Ovens wrote:
On Mon, 25 Aug 2014, Philipp ?berbacher wrote:
lingot: I like it, the meter is very responsive without being too
jittery. Works with jack. I will probably keep this.
This is my favorite one, except for its bugs. I like that it's so good
at figuring out the fundamental frequency even when there are a *lot* of
harmonics. Also, it's very fast. If music with 16th-notes is played
into it, it will literally figure out the scale notes as the 16th-notes
go by without moving the meter. I've seen hardware tuners that couldn't
do that.
However, there's a noticeable CPU load even when it's just sitting there
with no Jack connection sent to it, and it actually causes xruns when
there are any Jack connections to it. (I will disconnect it when I'm
not actively tuning just to keep it from causing an xrun.)
I'd probably keep it running all the time to keep my Moog's wandering
pitch tracking in check if it weren't for the xrun/cpu issues.
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26 Aug
1:21 a.m.
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On Mon, 2014-08-25 at 16:43 -0500, Brent Busby wrote:
I'd probably keep it running all the time to keep
my Moog's wandering
pitch tracking in check if it weren't for the xrun/cpu issues.
AT1 isn't resource hungry. Assumed the Moog is just a little bit out of
tune, AT1 might correct it without side effects.
http://kokkinizita.linuxaudio.org/linuxaudio/zita-at1-doc/quickguide.html
1:26 a.m.
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On Tue, 2014-08-26 at 01:21 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Mon, 2014-08-25 at 16:43 -0500, Brent Busby wrote:
It might conflict with portamento ;).
I'd probably keep it running all the time to
keep my Moog's wandering
pitch tracking in check if it weren't for the xrun/cpu issues.
AT1 isn't resource hungry. Assumed the Moog is just a little bit out of
tune, AT1 might correct it without side effects.
http://kokkinizita.linuxaudio.org/linuxaudio/zita-at1-doc/quickguide.html
2:50 a.m.
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On Mon, 2014-08-25 at 08:25 -0700, Len Ovens wrote:
lingot: I like it, the meter is very responsive
without being too
jittery.
When tuning guitars with a meter that is too jittery, a flageolet above
the 12th fret (octave harmonic) does the trick. "flageolet" in
translation seems to be fishy: don't push the string on the fret, just
touch it with the finger, without contact to the fret. Anyway, you need
a jitter free tuner to adjust your guitar's octave cleanness. Many e.
guitars of amateur guitarists suffer from disgusting unclean octaves.
It's easy to adjust an e. guitar, unfortunately adjusting a classical
guitar isn't that easy, you need to kill an elephant and hone down
several ivory insets for the bridge or something like this ;) ... I
heard they sell inserts made of plastics to adjust unclean octaves ;).
3:20 a.m.
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Btw. take a look to the bridge of photos from Jimi Hendrix Stratocaster
and forward/backward the thingies on your e. guitars bridge as shown by
the photo. I suspect Jimi Hendrix live tuning not only suffered from the
kind of whammy bar he used ;).
4:35 a.m.
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On Mon, 2014-08-25 at 08:25 -0700, Len Ovens wrote:
Generally I use guitarix, but that would be overkill
Generally I use analog gear for my guitar, but I tested several computer
based effects and IMO rakarrack provides a much easier to use GUI. I
can't say much about the quality of the effects or about the tuner's
quality, but usage of rakarrack is idiot prove, while using guitarix
seems to be for Linux experts only.
9:55 a.m.
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http://libremusicproduction.com/articles/ultimate-guide-getting-started-gui…
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Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf(a)rocketmail.com> schrieb:
On Mon, 2014-08-25 at 08:25 -0700, Len Ovens wrote:
Generally I use guitarix, but that would be overkill
Generally I use analog gear for my guitar, but I tested several computer
based effects and IMO rakarrack provides a much easier to use GUI. I
can't say much about the quality of the effects or about the tuner's
quality, but usage of rakarrack is idiot prove, while using guitarix
seems to be for Linux experts only.
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5:30 p.m.
On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Philipp Überbacher
<murks(a)tuxfamily.org> wrote:
Any alternatives you can recommend?
Robin Gareus' Tuna.lv2:
https://github.com/x42/tuna.lv2
PS: Thanks Robin, its awesome :)
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