Hi, On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 10:38:25 +0200 (EET) Tommi Sakari Uimonen <tuimonen(a)cc.hut.fi> wrote: AFAIK the CVS version of MusE is (at least for me as an ordinary user) not as usable as the 0.6.3 release, because there are a lot of things in heavy flow. Audio out with MusE 0.6.3 works fine here, so the problem seems to be in your setup. BTW, I do not use it for audio recording but rather for playing audio files along with the midi sequencing stuff (like a set of chimes or a thunderstorm, no long audio tracks, but this is yet to come). HTH, t. -- Thorsten Mika mailto: tmika(a)t-online.de Hamm / Germany TM5173-RIPE Public Key ID: 41338C37 -- http://www.keyserver.net

Actually now I remember what was wrong with muse. I got audio & midi out yes, but rewinding the playpos didn't affect to the audio playpos, only midi. So it was really unusable. The audio playback continued from where it was paused/stopped regardless how I moved the playpos. Tommi

thank you for ALL answers! RJ> > Actually now I remember what was wrong with muse. I got audio & midi out RJ> > yes, but rewinding the playpos didn't affect to the audio playpos, only RJ> > midi. So it was really unusable. The audio playback continued from where RJ> > it was paused/stopped regardless how I moved the playpos. RJ> > RJ> > Tommi i have a same bug in muse, and this is bad for me. i prefer live music with some electroic parts, basicly drums and non-guitar-sounds, and when i create drums/keys tracks, i like to heare it with recording guitars and vocals. i also use jack, ecasound, jack-rack, JAMin and audacity. now i try to use hydrogen for drums, IMHO it has very good "swing" and "humanize" functions. IMHO, muse a very good midi-sequencer, but buggy... i cann't download CVS from my www-host, only tarballs, and i wait muse-0.7. good luck!

Hello, Robert Jonsson Чт, 15.01.2004 11:55:12 you wrote: RJ> On Thursday 15 January 2004 08.16, krozilo(a)nm.ru wrote: RJ> > thank you for ALL answers! RJ> > RJ> > RJ> > Actually now I remember what was wrong with muse. I got audio & midi RJ> > out RJ> > yes, but rewinding the playpos didn't affect to the audio RJ> > playpos, only RJ> > midi. So it was really unusable. The audio playback RJ> > continued from where RJ> > it was paused/stopped regardless how I moved the RJ> > playpos. RJ> > RJ> > RJ> > RJ> > Tommi RJ> > RJ> > i have a same bug in muse, and this is bad for me. RJ> RJ> I hear you :-(. RJ> RJ> > i prefer live music with RJ> > some electroic parts, basicly drums and non-guitar-sounds, and when i RJ> > create drums/keys tracks, i like to heare it with recording guitars and RJ> > vocals. RJ> RJ> Pretty much how I like to work also... RJ> RJ> RJ> > i also use jack, ecasound, jack-rack, JAMin and audacity. RJ> > now i try to use hydrogen for drums, IMHO it has very good "swing" and RJ> > "humanize" functions. IMHO, muse a very good midi-sequencer, but buggy... RJ> RJ> You are very welcome to send in bug-reports, either to one of the mailinglists RJ> or the bug-base (at sourceforge). ok, i will to try it. but my english not fine ;). RJ> RJ> > i cann't download CVS from my www-host, only tarballs, and i wait muse-0.7. RJ> RJ> For your information there are daily tarballs from cvs muse tree available RJ> from tux.org (link on muses download page) RJ> very good link for me. thank You! regards. __________ www.newmail.ru -- узел свободных коммуникаций.

On Thursday 15 January 2004 10:22 am, Rocco wrote: ??? All of the samples I've ever used with Hydrogen have been standard .WAV files. I'm not aware of Hydrogen being able to load anything else. |) |)enji

On Thu, Jan 15, 2004 at 04:22:18PM +0000, Rocco wrote: I haven't tried that yet. But in general, 0.8.1 has fixed some bugs from 0.8.0 and is worth an upgrade. Heheheh... $ tar -tzvf HipHop-2.h2drumkit drwx------ artemio/artemio 0 2003-05-06 02:05:31 HipHop-2/ -rw-rw-r-- artemio/artemio 33652 2003-05-06 02:05:31 HipHop-2/kick_1.wav -rw-rw-r-- artemio/artemio 57960 2003-05-06 02:05:31 HipHop-2/kick_2.wav -rw-rw-r-- artemio/artemio 77140 2003-05-06 02:05:31 HipHop-2/kick_3.wav -rw-rw-r-- artemio/artemio 55052 2003-05-06 02:05:31 HipHop-2/kick_4.wav -rw-rw-r-- artemio/artemio 31080 2003-05-06 02:05:31 HipHop-2/sn_3.wav -rw-rw-r-- artemio/artemio 35580 2003-05-06 02:05:31 HipHop-2/sn_1.wav -rw-rw-r-- artemio/artemio 50780 2003-05-06 02:05:31 HipHop-2/sn_2.wav -rw-rw-r-- artemio/artemio 51860 2003-05-06 02:05:31 HipHop-2/sn_4.wav -rw-rw-r-- artemio/artemio 14832 2003-05-06 02:05:31 HipHop-2/rim_1.wav -rw-rw-r-- artemio/artemio 35412 2003-05-06 02:05:31 HipHop-2/funk_clap_1.wav -rw-rw-r-- artemio/artemio 41256 2003-05-06 02:05:31 HipHop-2/chh_1.wav -rw-rw-r-- artemio/artemio 37092 2003-05-06 02:05:31 HipHop-2/chh_2.wav -rw-rw-r-- artemio/artemio 33448 2003-05-06 02:05:31 HipHop-2/chh_3.wav -rw-rw-r-- artemio/artemio 18364 2003-05-06 02:05:31 HipHop-2/chh_4.wav -rw-rw-r-- artemio/artemio 59568 2003-05-06 02:05:31 HipHop-2/fx_kick.wav -rw-rw-r-- artemio/artemio 37616 2003-05-06 02:05:31 HipHop-2/606_tom.wav -rw-rw-r-- artemio/artemio 4871 2003-05-06 02:05:31 HipHop-2/drumkit.xml -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com Look! Up in the sky! It's KILLER DEVIL! (random hero from isometric.spaceninja.com)

On Thursday 15 Jan 2004 8:36 pm, Rocco wrote: Comment out line 1045 of hydrogen_gui/MixerLine.cpp (a drawText call) and try again. (That's not a fix, just a workaround. You'll lose a text label but the program should run. At least, that's what happened for me.) I reported this to hydrogen-devel a while ago, and I had been thinking that nobody had replied -- but I just checked again and found that my hydrogen-devel mail was being automatically misfiled as junk. In fact I did get a reply asking for more info, which (needless to say) I never supplied. Oops. I should take a look at hydrogen CVS and see if it still happens and if I can work out why. Chris

This only audio *and* midi program I used was muse. The midi part of the program is wonderful and even has "built-in" softsynths. I've never had success with the "live" (audio) recording capabilities. And the newest version just wouldn't compile on my computer. I hear that Rosegarden-4 will be supporting syncing with other (jack transport aware) programs. My hope (if the audio capabilities of one of these midi programs don't pan out) is to sync Rosegarden-4 to ecasound (command line multitrack recorder) via jack transport functionality. And if that works, I will try using "tkeca" as the front end to ecasound so that I can move towards setting things up for some of my (non-computer) friends. This is all challenging, because I've only tried the jack transport features by syncronizing ecasound with ecasound. I can't wait to actually have something to sync up to ecasound other than a second running ecasound. Until things pan out with being able to sync/record/playback *both* midi and "live" audio, I'm going to keep doing what I've been doing. I went out and bought a second soundblaster card. I have my soft synths passing thru the first card and use the second card for monitoring (I notice that with a soundblaster card, the "wave capture" need to be activated with alsamixer). I use ecasound, so I don't know how it would work with other mulitrack recorders, but the reason I have two cards is because when I use a soft synth, I want to be able to use effects like "echo" and have it come out of the earphones and *not* in the resulting audio file (so I can add effects during the final mix). And (so far) the only way I've been able to seperate the "dry" sound and the effects is to have the softsynth pass thru the first card (and record a sound file directly to the hard drive) and then have it monitored (with effects) to the second card. This sounds like a combersome set up, but it's easy now that I've got it all set up. And getting audio and midi to sync up wasn't any easier (in fact, I've *not* been succesful with it). So now I have synth tracs that are WAVS, and I record "live" instruments alongside them on other track. Of course, to properly record drum tracks, one really need midi and live audio working together. I managed to get by this by panning one drum all the way to the left, the other all the way to the right and use ecasound to create two mono tracks at the same time. But then I can only play two drums at any one time (if I want to seperated them into their own seperate files). Think of the the two channels of your sound card (left and right) as a two track recorder. Rocco

From what I remember, recording was really "noisy". There was static sounds. I also couldn't get a good volume level no matter what I did. And this next thing isn't (as) important, but it just seemed very (un)intuitive. I can't remember how I recorded audio. It just (all around) didn't seem to work very well. I just figured out how to create WAV's with ecasound (and use a preset that plays a metronome track while you record) and then import the WAV file into Muse. The WAV file that was created in ecasound synced up with Muse's metronome *perfectly* (I know becaue I recorded ecasound's metronome to a WAV file and played it along with the metronome in Muse). The "beeps" on the WAV file ran in *perfect* sync with Muse's metronome for 4 minutes!!! It didn't slip for a second. I then recorded a guitar and vocal track in ecasound (using ecasound's metronome as a timing guide) then imported them into muse and it ran in perfect sync with Muse's metronome. I have a bunch of linux/audio projects like this one going at the time. I (almost) posted the step-by-step approach I used, but I ran out of time tonight and have to get back to it tomarrow. Besides, it wasn't complete anyways. Man... I'm so confused. It seems to me that I *did* have it running. Because I remember being affected by the qt3 bug (WAV files would play thru once and not play again). So I must have had it installed at some point. Because the version that came with SuSE 9.0 (Professional) doesn't have that bug (version 0.6.1). So I must have had the latest version installed at some point. I ended up intalled SuSE's version of muse. And I'm glad I did because of the "work-around" that I mentioned (in the above message). While were on the subject... I'm courious why none of the built in synths in muse allow for panning? I mean, each soft synth can be panned with the mixer. But *no* individual instruments on *any* of the softsynths can be panned seperatly. It's a shame because the built-in synth called "Fluid" (not "FluidSynth"... just "Fluid") sounds a lot better than FluidSynth *or* timidity. I'd really like to use "Fluid" but just can't see not being able to have control over each instruments volume and planning. I even started up Muse and connected SoundFontCombi (SoftSynth mixer) up to "Fluid" and had no control over the panning of instruments. Rocco

I believe you because I find this is the rule for a *lot* of programs that I've use. I kind of wished I had more time to mess with Muse's Audio recording capabilities because muse is really good program and is worthy of this type of investigation. This is going to sound vauge, so I appoligize in advance. Ecasound is the only multitracker program that I have experience with. And I know that the times I've heard the "noisy, fuzzy" sounds when recording had to do with two things with different sampling rates trying to work together. How's that for "vauge"? (hehe) Damn... I must be working too hard... The version that came with SuSE 9.0 *has* the bug (muse-0.6.1). It must come and go, because muse-0.6.1 is (indeed) the only version of muse I've had installed on this machine. I just tried playing a wav with *this* version of muse (that came with SuSE 9.0 Professional) (muse-0.6.1) and the bug showed up again. That's why I've been so confused. It must be coming and going because a WAV played just fine yesterday. And (if my memory serves me well) I think that (sometimes) it works fine, but when you save it as a file, then reload it later, the "WAV-qt-bug-thingy" magically shows up again. And that's why muse-0.6.2 is still sitting in a folder called "Failed", because it never did compile on my system. Sorry about the mixed messages... Are you referring to changing the volume and pan with the "Track Info Window"? Because that's the only way (that I'm aware of) to change individual instruments. I just did a thorough test. Keep in mind that I tried this with Muse 0.6.1... I tried all the built-in softsynths and the "pan" and "volume" controls (in the Track Info Window") had *no* effect on any and of them. I did (however) have success with with connecting Muse up to the soundblaster *hardware* snyn and that *did* work. I had complete control over the volume and panning of each instrument (from the Track Info Window). As I mentioned yesterday, I started up muse and then used kaconnect to (directly) connect SoundFontCombi (softsynth mixer) to the various built-in softsynths. I got the same results... no control over panning or volume control (using SoundFontCombi's mixer controls). And I know SoundFontCombi works with other softsynths, because I've been using it non-stop for several days :-) Hope that helps... Rocco

mathias_lundgren(a)bredband.net wrote: See the post I just sent (or maybe you already have by now) That's great, but I'm (currently) in love with one soundfont and it's 145 Megs in size (and growing as I keep adding to it). :-) Several versions of that loaded into FluidSynth can really drain the memory :-) Rocco