25 Jun
2008
25 Jun
'08
2:29 p.m.
Salvete,
I'm writing a rather lengthy article for LJ on the general topic of
audio/visual synthesis software. I've written some historical and
technical background and have selected some programs to profile, including:
AVSynthesis
Fluxus
Pd/GEM
Processing
I'd also like to review VeeJay and FreeJ, but neither would compile
cleanly on JAD 1.0, Fortunately I can install VeeJay from the Packman
repo, but I'll keep working on the compile problems with the most recent
versions of that software.
So my quesion is: What have I missed, what other software can Linux
users recommend for audio/visual synthesis ? It doesn't have to be
realtime, btw, but it does have to combine audio and graphics for
potentially simultaneous synthesis of sound and image.
I have also tried some well-known Windows A/V synths, e.g. Resolume and
vvvv. Alas, they didn't fare too well with Wine 1.0, but I'm open to
suggestions for that environment too (i.e. Linux with Wine, *not* native
Windows).
Gratias ago vobis,
dp
25 Jun
25 Jun
2:42 p.m.
Hi David,
i think that there is a lot of potetial being explored in audio/visual
synthesis through OSC communication. i mean, by linking audio dedicated
software with visual dedicated software. don't know if that helps anyhow,
but i would point that out too.
have fun,
renato
2008/6/25 Dave Phillips <dlphillips(a)woh.rr.com>om>:
Salvete,
I'm writing a rather lengthy article for LJ on the general topic of
audio/visual synthesis software. I've written some historical and
technical background and have selected some programs to profile, including:
AVSynthesis
Fluxus
Pd/GEM
Processing
I'd also like to review VeeJay and FreeJ, but neither would compile
cleanly on JAD 1.0, Fortunately I can install VeeJay from the Packman
repo, but I'll keep working on the compile problems with the most recent
versions of that software.
So my quesion is: What have I missed, what other software can Linux
users recommend for audio/visual synthesis ? It doesn't have to be
realtime, btw, but it does have to combine audio and graphics for
potentially simultaneous synthesis of sound and image.
I have also tried some well-known Windows A/V synths, e.g. Resolume and
vvvv. Alas, they didn't fare too well with Wine 1.0, but I'm open to
suggestions for that environment too (i.e. Linux with Wine, *not* native
Windows).
Gratias ago vobis,
dp
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4:52 p.m.
The latest csound comes with opcodes for image manipulation and
display (including pixel by pixel access, but iirc not opengl?).
Anyway I think that may qualify it as an audio/video synthesis
environment (it is at least possible now, though I don't know how well
it works).
I have this back burner vaporware idea of a scripting library that
would provide unified ways to synthesize ardour and cinelerra save
files (both of which are xml), in order to do experimental
audio/visual collage, manipulation, and limited synthesis (using
plugins, of course).
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 4:42 PM, Renato Fabbri <renato.fabbri(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi David,
i think that there is a lot of potetial being explored in audio/visual
synthesis through OSC communication. i mean, by linking audio dedicated
software with visual dedicated software. don't know if that helps anyhow,
but i would point that out too.
have fun,
renato
2008/6/25 Dave Phillips <dlphillips(a)woh.rr.com>om>:
Salvete,
I'm writing a rather lengthy article for LJ on the general topic of
audio/visual synthesis software. I've written some historical and
technical background and have selected some programs to profile,
including:
AVSynthesis
Fluxus
Pd/GEM
Processing
I'd also like to review VeeJay and FreeJ, but neither would compile
cleanly on JAD 1.0, Fortunately I can install VeeJay from the Packman
repo, but I'll keep working on the compile problems with the most recent
versions of that software.
So my quesion is: What have I missed, what other software can Linux
users recommend for audio/visual synthesis ? It doesn't have to be
realtime, btw, but it does have to combine audio and graphics for
potentially simultaneous synthesis of sound and image.
I have also tried some well-known Windows A/V synths, e.g. Resolume and
vvvv. Alas, they didn't fare too well with Wine 1.0, but I'm open to
suggestions for that environment too (i.e. Linux with Wine, *not* native
Windows).
Gratias ago vobis,
dp
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7:08 p.m.
Justin Smith wrote:
The latest csound comes with opcodes for image
manipulation and
display (including pixel by pixel access, but iirc not opengl?).
Anyway I think that may qualify it as an audio/video synthesis
environment (it is at least possible now, though I don't know how well
it works).
I made those opcodes. They're quite limited (also due to the nature of
csound language). I don't think they would qualify as video synthesis.
You can only read/write pixels from an image file.
Cheers,
-c.
I have this back burner vaporware idea of a scripting
library that
would provide unified ways to synthesize ardour and cinelerra save
files (both of which are xml), in order to do experimental
audio/visual collage, manipulation, and limited synthesis (using
plugins, of course).
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 4:42 PM, Renato Fabbri <renato.fabbri(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Hi David,
i think that there is a lot of potetial being explored in audio/visual
synthesis through OSC communication. i mean, by linking audio dedicated
software with visual dedicated software. don't know if that helps anyhow,
but i would point that out too.
have fun,
renato
2008/6/25 Dave Phillips <dlphillips(a)woh.rr.com>om>:
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Salvete,
I'm writing a rather lengthy article for LJ on the general topic of
audio/visual synthesis software. I've written some historical and
technical background and have selected some programs to profile,
including:
AVSynthesis
Fluxus
Pd/GEM
Processing
I'd also like to review VeeJay and FreeJ, but neither would compile
cleanly on JAD 1.0, Fortunately I can install VeeJay from the Packman
repo, but I'll keep working on the compile problems with the most recent
versions of that software.
So my quesion is: What have I missed, what other software can Linux
users recommend for audio/visual synthesis ? It doesn't have to be
realtime, btw, but it does have to combine audio and graphics for
potentially simultaneous synthesis of sound and image.
I have also tried some well-known Windows A/V synths, e.g. Resolume and
vvvv. Alas, they didn't fare too well with Wine 1.0, but I'm open to
suggestions for that environment too (i.e. Linux with Wine, *not* native
Windows).
Gratias ago vobis,
dp
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2:57 p.m.
New subject: R: audio/visual synthesis
--- Mer 25/6/08, Dave Phillips <dlphillips(a)woh.rr.com> ha scritto:
Da: Dave Phillips <dlphillips(a)woh.rr.com>
Oggetto: [LAU] audio/visual synthesis
A: "LAU" <linux-audio-user(a)lists.linuxaudio.org>
Data: Mercoledì 25 giugno 2008, 18:29
Salvete,
I'm writing a rather lengthy article for LJ on the
general topic of
audio/visual synthesis software. I've written some
historical and
technical background and have selected some programs to
profile, including:
AVSynthesis
Fluxus
Pd/GEM
Processing
I'd also like to review VeeJay and FreeJ, but neither
would compile
cleanly on JAD 1.0, Fortunately I can install VeeJay from
the Packman
repo, but I'll keep working on the compile problems
with the most recent
versions of that software.
So my quesion is: What have I missed, what other software
can Linux
users recommend for audio/visual synthesis ? It doesn't
have to be
realtime, btw, but it does have to combine audio and
graphics for
potentially simultaneous synthesis of sound and image.
I have also tried some well-known Windows A/V synths, e.g.
Resolume and
vvvv. Alas, they didn't fare too well with Wine 1.0,
but I'm open to
suggestions for that environment too (i.e. Linux with Wine,
*not* native
Windows).
flxer?!
http://www.flxer.net/software/
but i don't know if it is what you talking about. (is it english?)
ciao
Luigi
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5:40 p.m.
Hi Dave,
On Wednesday 25 June 2008 12:29:21 Dave Phillips wrote:
I'm writing a rather lengthy article for LJ on the
general topic of
audio/visual synthesis software. I've written some historical and
technical background and have selected some programs to profile, including:
AVSynthesis
Fluxus
Pd/GEM
Processing
the SuperCollider community is going crazy about a graphics server for it -
SCGraph:
http://tapas.affenbande.org/wordpress/?page_id=76
The concept is quite nice, and it works too.
sincerely,
Marije
10:16 p.m.
nescivi wrote:
the SuperCollider community is going crazy about a
graphics server for it -
SCGraph:
http://tapas.affenbande.org/wordpress/?page_id=76
The concept is quite nice, and it works too.
Hi Marije,
Hey thanks, that looks very cool, I'll definitely check it out. I
haven't done anything with SC for a while, I'll have to dust off some
coding chops. (Ditto for Fluxus + Scheme).
Best,
dp
11:54 p.m.
Dave Phillips wrote:
nescivi wrote:
Don't forget the bomb and electric sheep. Bomb has can connect to esd
and electric sheep is a way to create fractals for use with above
graphics engines.
--
Patrick Shirkey
Boost Hardware Ltd.
the SuperCollider community is going crazy about
a graphics server for it -
SCGraph:
http://tapas.affenbande.org/wordpress/?page_id=76
The concept is quite nice, and it works too.
Hi Marije,
Hey thanks, that looks very cool, I'll definitely check it out. I
haven't done anything with SC for a while, I'll have to dust off some
coding chops. (Ditto for Fluxus + Scheme).
26 Jun
26 Jun
8:42 a.m.
Patrick Shirkey wrote:
Don't forget the bomb and electric sheep. Bomb has can connect to esd
and electric sheep is a way to create fractals for use with above
graphics engines.
Hi Patrick,
Thanks for the tips. I looked at Bomb again yesterday, I'll check out
Electric Sheep today. The Bomb is not really what I'm looking for,
though I do call attention to that type of image/sound software. I'm
centrally interested in applications that include an audio synthesis
side, along with the video synthesis part, a la Pd/GEM or the SC3 stuff
nescivi pointed out.
Best,
dp
9:46 a.m.
On Thursday 26 June 2008, Dave Phillips wrote:
Patrick Shirkey wrote:
Hi Dave,
Actually in the case of SC the graphics and the audio server are two separate
applications. But they work together quite nicely in the SuperCollider
framework [by using [almost] the same OSC protocol and SuperCollider language
features to construct "synths" both in the audio and in the graphics domain].
In a way i really think that the audio and graphics domain are vastly
different beasts and in this regard the SCGraph server is a hack ;) as it
tries to map the SuperCollider approach to doing audio synthesis to the realm
of graphics "synthesis". I guess it's still a useful hack [e.g. i like to
play with it] but i'm myself not 100% convinced that this approach is really
the most feasible [aside from the fact that SCGraph itself still also needs
quite a lot of work]...
Regards,
Flo
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http://tapas.affenbande.org
Don't forget the bomb and electric sheep.
Bomb has can connect to esd
and electric sheep is a way to create fractals for use with above
graphics engines.
Hi Patrick,
Thanks for the tips. I looked at Bomb again yesterday, I'll check out
Electric Sheep today. The Bomb is not really what I'm looking for,
though I do call attention to that type of image/sound software. I'm
centrally interested in applications that include an audio synthesis
side, along with the video synthesis part, a la Pd/GEM or the SC3 stuff
nescivi pointed out.
10:01 a.m.
Florian Schmidt wrote:
In a way i really think that the audio and graphics
domain are vastly different beasts ...
Hi Florian,
This understanding is central to my own concept of the A/V arts. In my
opinion there are no absolute correspondences, i.e. I believe that all
associations and correspondences between audio and visual elements are
finally arbitrary. However, I'm quick to add that doesn't make such
associations useless. On the contrary, they are useful in so far as they
get the creative mind moving in some direction. AFAIC, that's all the
push I need.
An analogous situation is found in the time-point system used by Charles
Wuorinen. His explication of the system is intriguing, but there's no
getting around the fact that his initial premise is arbitrary. Very
useful, but not a "natural" or necessary relationship between elements.
Its necessity is with regards to the composer's need for a systematic
and complementary approach to resolving rhythmic problems in a non-tonal
harmonic world. And that's enough to get a start into a work, afterwards
you can jettison any system (or not) once you've got the work's
direction clarified.
Just my two yuan, of course. :)
And thanks for that graphics server, that's a cool idea, I look forward
to testing it.
Best,
dp
11:23 a.m.
On Thursday 26 June 2008, Dave Phillips wrote:
Florian Schmidt wrote:
Yo Dave :)
In a way i really think that the audio and
graphics domain are vastly
different beasts ...
Hi Florian,
This understanding is central to my own concept of the A/V arts. In my
opinion there are no absolute correspondences, i.e. I believe that all
associations and correspondences between audio and visual elements are
finally arbitrary.
I guess the sonificiation folks might, at least partly, disagree (and i follow
them here). There is [IMHO] a correspondence for natural phenomena. E.g. a
ball hitting the ground and making some noise. The visual and the sonic
impressions are just two aspects of one and the same process. Experience
tells us how these two are correlated and the artist is free to play with
these expectations. Maybe i misunderstood your comment though..
However, I'm quick to add that doesn't make
such
associations useless. On the contrary, they are useful in so far as they
get the creative mind moving in some direction. AFAIC, that's all the
push I need.
An analogous situation is found in the time-point
system used by Charles
Wuorinen. His explication of the system is intriguing, but there's no
Sadly i'm not familiar with his work.. Will check it out [wikipedia ;)] when i
come home tonight..
getting around the fact that his initial premise is
arbitrary. Very
useful, but not a "natural" or necessary relationship between elements.
Its necessity is with regards to the composer's need for a systematic
and complementary approach to resolving rhythmic problems in a non-tonal
harmonic world. And that's enough to get a start into a work, afterwards
you can jettison any system (or not) once you've got the work's
direction clarified.
Just my two yuan, of course. :)
And thanks for that graphics server, that's a cool idea, I look forward
to testing it.
I hope you'll like it and are not too disapointed about the current
limitations.. If you plan to download it, wait until tonight. I will update
the documentation a bit especially with respect to Open GL fragment ad vertex
shaders..
Regards,
Flo
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1:01 p.m.
Florian Schmidt wrote:
We await the evening. :)
Thanks for the response, Flo, and thanks to everyone for their input on
this topic. I'm learning as I go...
Best,
dp
On Thursday 26 June 2008, Dave Phillips wrote:
Sure, the connections between the physical phenomena are real and
immediate: ball hits ground, makes sound according to well-established
physical correspondences. However, establishing correspondences between
the elements of an image and the elements of sound seems to me to be an
arbitrary exercise: ball is bright red, sound is a Bb over middle C.
Don't get me wrong, I think the fun begins when we can elevate a set of
arbitrary rules and correspondences into productive methods.
I guess I'm leaning towards the irrational these days... ;)
This understanding is central to my own concept
of the A/V arts. In my
opinion there are no absolute correspondences, i.e. I believe that all
associations and correspondences between audio and visual elements are
finally arbitrary.
I guess the sonificiation folks might, at least partly, disagree (and i follow
them here). There is [IMHO] a correspondence for natural phenomena. E.g. a
ball hitting the ground and making some noise. The visual and the sonic
impressions are just two aspects of one and the same process. Experience
tells us how these two are correlated and the artist is free to play with
these expectations. Maybe i misunderstood your comment though..
... thanks for
that graphics server, that's a cool idea, I look forward
to testing it.
I hope you'll like it and are not too disapointed about the current
limitations.. If you plan to download it, wait until tonight. I will update
the documentation a bit especially with respect to Open GL fragment ad vertex shaders..
4:58 p.m.
On Thursday 26 June 2008, Dave Phillips wrote:
Sorry for keeping you waiting. I'm chasing a hard to find bug :( Try the
current version though :)
Regards,
Flo
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http://tapas.affenbande.org
I hope
you'll like it and are not too disapointed about the current
limitations.. If you plan to download it, wait until tonight. I will
update the documentation a bit especially with respect to Open GL
fragment ad vertex shaders..
We await the evening. :)
5:32 p.m.
Florian Schmidt wrote:
Sorry for keeping you waiting. I'm chasing a hard to find bug :( Try the
current version though :)
No problema. I tried building 0.10, it fails here:
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/dlphilp/src/scgraph-0.10/server'
--- Building object: main.cc => main.o
g++ -c main.cc -pedantic -Wall -Wno-long-long -ansi -Werror -O3
-ffast-math -funroll-loops -DPREFIX=\"/usr/local\"
-DSC3_INCLUDE_PATH=\"/usr//include/SuperCollider/\" -I/usr/include
-DQT_THREAD_SUPPORT -I/usr//include/SuperCollider//plugin_interface
-I/usr//include/SuperCollider//server
-I/usr//include/SuperCollider//common `pkg-config sndfile
GraphicsMagick++ --cflags`
-DSC3_PLUGIN_PATH=\"/usr//lib/SuperCollider/plugins\" `pkg-config jack
fftw3f --cflags` -DHAVE_JACK -DHAVE_SHADERS -DHAVE_GLEW -pthread
cc1plus: warnings being treated as errors
cow_ptr.h:15: warning: ‘struct DeepCopyable’ has virtual functions but
non-virtual destructor
make[1]: *** [main.o] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/dlphilp/src/scgraph-0.10/server'
make: *** [server] Error 2
This is on a JAD 1.0 system, OpenSUSE 10.2, GCC 4.1.2. I have all other
dependencies. Any suggestions ?
Best,
dp
8:04 p.m.
On Thursday 26 June 2008, Dave Phillips wrote:
Florian Schmidt wrote:
Yes, this is a warning by the compiler which is correct.. Just put a "virtual"
in front of the destructor
~DeepCopyable() { }
=>
virtual ~DeepCopyable() { }
This one is actually fixed in my svn, but i have other stuff to fix before
pushing it out..
Regards,
Flo
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http://tapas.affenbande.org
Sorry for keeping you waiting. I'm chasing a
hard to find bug :( Try the
current version though :)
No problema. I tried building 0.10, it fails here:
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/dlphilp/src/scgraph-0.10/server'
--- Building object: main.cc => main.o
g++ -c main.cc -pedantic -Wall -Wno-long-long -ansi -Werror -O3
-ffast-math -funroll-loops -DPREFIX=\"/usr/local\"
-DSC3_INCLUDE_PATH=\"/usr//include/SuperCollider/\" -I/usr/include
-DQT_THREAD_SUPPORT -I/usr//include/SuperCollider//plugin_interface
-I/usr//include/SuperCollider//server
-I/usr//include/SuperCollider//common `pkg-config sndfile
GraphicsMagick++ --cflags`
-DSC3_PLUGIN_PATH=\"/usr//lib/SuperCollider/plugins\" `pkg-config jack
fftw3f --cflags` -DHAVE_JACK -DHAVE_SHADERS -DHAVE_GLEW -pthread
cc1plus: warnings being treated as errors
cow_ptr.h:15: warning: ‘struct DeepCopyable’ has virtual functions but
non-virtual destructor
make[1]: *** [main.o] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/dlphilp/src/scgraph-0.10/server'
make: *** [server] Error 2
8:35 p.m.
Florian Schmidt wrote:
On Thursday 26 June 2008, Dave Phillips wrote:
Done. I also had to link liboscpack.so to liboscpack.so.1 before the
compile would finish, but all is good now.
Thanks for the help, now I'm on to the examples.
Best,
dp
... I tried building 0.10, it fails here:
[snip]
Yes, this is a warning by the compiler which is correct.. Just put a
"virtual"
in front of the destructor
~DeepCopyable() { }
=>
virtual ~DeepCopyable() { }
25 Jun
25 Jun
7:38 p.m.
Dave Phillips schreef:
I have also tried some well-known Windows A/V synths, e.g. Resolume and
vvvv. Alas, they didn't fare too well with Wine 1.0, but I'm open to
suggestions for that environment too (i.e. Linux with Wine, *not* native
Windows).
Gratias ago vobis,
dp
Ave
http://hem.passagen.se/rasmuse/Coagula.htm
mik
10:15 p.m.
mik wrote:
Ah yes, Coagula. I'd forgotten about
this one, thanks for the reminder. :)
Best,
dp
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