6 Jan
2005
6 Jan
'05
10:18 a.m.
Nathaniel Virgo:
I don't remember ever using it but I think the
Ceres spectral editor
does what you want, possibly, along with all kinds of other funky
stuff. There seem to be several versions by different people, I think
ceres3 is the most recent but I'm not sure.
Not really. Ceres3 is based on a ~10 year old fork of Ceres. Both Ceres3
and Ceres are both still being actively developed independently of each
other. They both have theire pros and cons. Generally (and probably
stupid) said, ceres is more fancy while ceres3 is more academic.
I'm thinking about renaming Ceres as Ceres4, because Ceres3 sounds
newer and better than Ceres. But if I did, Ceres4 would sounds newer
and better than Ceres3 again, which might not be true either.
(Well, to be hounest, I sometimes think Ceres3 should be named something
non-ceres though. It is a bit confusing.)
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6 Jan
6 Jan
10:59 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] spectral correction
Kjetil Svalastog Matheussen wrote:
Nathaniel Virgo:
Ceres3 is Motif-based only, with no Python, GTK, or other dependencies,
and the maintainer tries to keep working versions of it for SGI, Mac
OSX, and LinuxPPC, as well as for Linux x86. It also still depends on
the old libaudiofile as modified by Richard Kent (i.e. no libsndfile).
I don't remember ever using it but I think the
Ceres spectral editor
does what you want, possibly, along with all kinds of other funky
stuff. There seem to be several versions by different people, I think
ceres3 is the most recent but I'm not sure.
Not really. Ceres3 is based on a ~10 year old fork of Ceres. Both Ceres3
and Ceres are both still being actively developed independently of each
other. They both have theire pros and cons. Generally (and probably
stupid) said, ceres is more fancy while ceres3 is more academic.
I'm thinking about renaming Ceres as Ceres4,
because Ceres3 sounds
newer and better than Ceres. But if I did, Ceres4 would sounds newer
and better than Ceres3 again, which might not be true either.
(Well, to be hounest, I sometimes think Ceres3 should be named something
non-ceres though. It is a bit confusing.)
As you know, Ceres has had a few hands working on it. I ported the first
Linux version back in 1997 or so, and many developers have added
features to various versions since that time. What we need is a
SuperCeres that incorporates all those features into a single version.
I'm not sure why Stanko should change the name of Ceres3. His work
predates your own, and his naming convention simply followed the
succession starting from the original Ceres (Oyvind Hammer), Ceres2
(Jonathon Lee), and Ceres2w (WAV support added).
I use both Ceres and Ceres3. I prefer the look & feel of Stanko's Motif
version, but I also like many of the features and improvements in your
excellent version. So, who's up for creating SuperCeres ?
Btw, I once wrote a Quicktoot on using Ceres3, if anyone's interested:
http://linux-sound.org/quick-toots/1-ceres3/quick-toot-ceres3.html
Best,
dp
12:12 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Tracktion & Wine
Ok,
First I'm a big supporter/user of Ardour (my name even appears on a
contributors list) and I do think we should support FOSS alternatives
above all others. Hopefully that will prevent a FOSS/Free-closed
debate :P
Now, as a Tape-Op subscriber I have been alerted to a Tracktion
promotional offer (full functional version free).
http://tapeop.com/tracktion.php
This looks like a really interesting DAW and it installs under wine but
dialog boxes aren't working. Has anyone gotten it functional under wine
yet? Has anyone used Tracktion under a native environment?
-ry
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Ryan Gallagher <ruinaudio(a)comcast.net>
12:29 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Tracktion & Wine
Hi Ryan:
I also tried it this morning, got as far as a failure installing the
sound device. :(
Mackie reportedly announced that there would be a Linux version
eventually.
Best,
dp
Ryan Gallagher wrote:
Ok,
First I'm a big supporter/user of Ardour (my name even appears on a
contributors list) and I do think we should support FOSS alternatives
above all others. Hopefully that will prevent a FOSS/Free-closed
debate :P
Now, as a Tape-Op subscriber I have been alerted to a Tracktion
promotional offer (full functional version free).
http://tapeop.com/tracktion.php
This looks like a really interesting DAW and it installs under wine but
dialog boxes aren't working. Has anyone gotten it functional under wine
yet? Has anyone used Tracktion under a native environment?
-ry
1:24 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Tracktion & Wine
Hi Ryan:
I also tried it this morning, got as far as a failure installing the
sound device. :(
Mackie reportedly announced that there would be a Linux version
eventually.
I don't know if I'm telling some gross mistake, but Tracktion has been the
work of one man, Jules o'something. AFAHCT Tracktion is based on his own
cross-platform C++ framework, named JUCE
(http://www.rawmaterialsoftware.com/juce/). Yes cross-platform only
between win32 and macosx, atm.
However, quoted from the JUCE's to-do-list
(http://www.rawmaterialsoftware.com/juce/todo.html):
- get the Linux port up and running..
So, given that JUCE is being released under the GPL, and if some of the
LADs are willing to help, things could just happen sooner than later ;) I
mean, having a Linux native Trackion port (hopefully with ALSA and JACK
support).
Tracktion is closed-source however, with commercial rights owned by
Mackie. Or so I think. I guess the linux port will be also closed-source.
But I would rather buy it, instead of running it under the nasty effects
of wine ;)
OK. My idea is first probing you LAUs/LADs, my self included, if it makes
any sense on lobbying for the Trackion linux port. Second, our X/ALSA/JACK
expertise (!) could be offered towards a early JUCE port and help
Jules|Mackie in delivering a linux beta product in no time.
Anyone interested?
--
rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela
rncbc(a)rncbc.org
2:53 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Tracktion & Wine
On Thu, 2005-01-06 at 17:22 +0000, Rui Nuno Capela wrote:
I don't know if I'm telling some gross
mistake, but Tracktion has been the
work of one man, Jules o'something. AFAHCT Tracktion is based on his own
cross-platform C++ framework, named JUCE
So, given that JUCE is being released under the GPL,
and if some of the
LADs are willing to help, things could just happen sooner than later ;) I
mean, having a Linux native Trackion port (hopefully with ALSA and JACK
support).
Tracktion is closed-source however, with commercial rights owned by
Mackie.
Yes, AFAIK Tracktion is a Mackie product and only free for a limited
time (however the fact that it's been distributed for free seems to
suggest a free binary for linux would not be out of the question).
OK. My idea is first probing you LAUs/LADs, my self
included, if it makes
any sense on lobbying for the Trackion linux port.
I'm of the opinion that choice is good, therefore having another quality
(and widely used/supported) DAW would be great for linux.
Also, once JUICE is ported, that will provide another great resource for
future linux audio development.
Finally, the fact that this project is affiliated with Mackie, a HUGE
name in the "industry" could work greatly to the benefit if linux/audio.
I mean if we could get a linux port of Traction on mackie ftp servers?
Well, people would take notice.
Second, our X/ALSA/JACK
expertise (!) could be offered towards a early JUCE port and help
Jules|Mackie in delivering a linux beta product in no time.
Anyone interested?
I'm interested (though code/coding skill deficient).
-ry
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Ryan Gallagher <ruinaudio(a)comcast.net>
4:31 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Tracktion & Wine
On Thu, 2005-01-06 at 12:54 -0600, Ryan Gallagher wrote:
On Thu, 2005-01-06 at 17:22 +0000, Rui Nuno Capela
wrote:
By the way JUICE is a pretty big/impressive project for one guy to have
developed, let alone Tracktion a complete DAW! We need to lure this guy
over to the linux side, he's a coding machine! I'm encouraged that he
chose GPL for JUICE.
-ry
I don't know if I'm telling some gross
mistake, but Tracktion has been the
work of one man, Jules o'something. AFAHCT Tracktion is based on his own
cross-platform C++ framework, named JUCE
> So, given that JUCE is being released under the GPL, and if some of the
> LADs are willing to help, things could just happen sooner than later ; -ry
--
Ryan Gallagher <ruinaudio(a)comcast.net>
3:06 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Tracktion & Wine
On Thursday 06 Jan 2005 17:22, Rui Nuno Capela wrote:
I don't know if I'm telling some gross
mistake, but Tracktion has
been the work of one man, Jules o'something.
Yes, he dropped by the Linux Audio stand at last year's Sounds Expo. I
gave him a (by then) rather weary and incomprehensible spiel about how
much fun JACK was, and he talked a bit about the sale of Tracktion to
Mackie, which had just happened. Nice enough chap, but he probably
thought we were a bunch of wasters. He certainly wasn't entirely
unfamiliar with Linux even then though.
Chris
5:24 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Tracktion & Wine
Ryan Gallagher wrote:
Ok,
First I'm a big supporter/user of Ardour (my name even appears on a
contributors list) and I do think we should support FOSS alternatives
above all others. Hopefully that will prevent a FOSS/Free-closed
debate :P
Now, as a Tape-Op subscriber I have been alerted to a Tracktion
promotional offer (full functional version free).
http://tapeop.com/tracktion.php
This looks like a really interesting DAW and it installs under wine but
dialog boxes aren't working. Has anyone gotten it functional under wine
yet? Has anyone used Tracktion under a native environment?
-ry
i've managed to get it to the point where i press "play" on the
transport ... at which point it waits for about 10 seconds and then
crashes. i don't have any problem with dialog boxes and i was able to
select a sound card - just aren't able to play anything : (
shayne
1:26 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] spectral correction
Thanks for clearing that up. I thought it would be something like that,
which is why I said I wasn't sure :) It would be quite handy to have a
short list of the differences somewhere so that new users can decide
which to try first.
Kjetil Svalastog Matheussen wrote:
Nathaniel Virgo:
I don't remember ever using it but I think the
Ceres spectral editor
does what you want, possibly, along with all kinds of other funky
stuff. There seem to be several versions by different people, I think
ceres3 is the most recent but I'm not sure.
Not really. Ceres3 is based on a ~10 year old fork of Ceres. Both Ceres3
and Ceres are both still being actively developed independently of each
other. They both have theire pros and cons. Generally (and probably
stupid) said, ceres is more fancy while ceres3 is more academic.
I'm thinking about renaming Ceres as Ceres4, because Ceres3 sounds
newer and better than Ceres. But if I did, Ceres4 would sounds newer
and better than Ceres3 again, which might not be true either.
(Well, to be hounest, I sometimes think Ceres3 should be named something
non-ceres though. It is a bit confusing.)
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