On Fri, 25 May 2018 10:45:41 +0200 David Kastrup <dak(a)gnu.org> wrote: Good point! That's why I don't really post my music round here anymore. Cheers -- Atte http://atte.dk http://a773.dk

Am 01.06.2018 um 10:35 schrieb david: I think that's a rather bold assumption. To me, the reason for wanting to use Linux as the base of the music production process, are completely non-music related. Chris

david <gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> writes: What does the 40 in Pop 40 mean? Mental laziness. Same reason I am a vegetarian. Saves me from a loads of worries and uncomfortable decisions and anguish and bad taste in mouth that I am better without. Of course it has helped that market leader Microsoft has produced utter crap first with their operating systems and then with their licenses. Intel has managed to survive in that quagmire by creating the i386 32bit architecture and from that fortress in the Microsoft swamp progressing to kill the 68000 architecture, Alpha, SPARC because porting Windows would be akin to transplanting Keith Richard's liver: you cannot imagine it surviving outside of its niche because it's magic already that it survived inside of its niche. -- David Kastrup

On Fri, 1 Jun 2018 19:59:47 -1000, david wrote: I'm using a Linux tower PC as well as an iPad. The music software for an iPad isn't for free as in beer, but a lot of very good software and sound libraries are always inexpensive, while other at least are inexpensive during the Black Friday week. Export/import of MIDI and audio files between the Linux tower PC and the iPad is no issue at all. A minor issues of the iPad is the end of life for the iOS support and a serious issue is that the power supply unit can't replace the battery, so after a few hours of making music, it takes more than an hour to load the battery. I own several stand-alone synth and effects, but I replace most by virtual synth and effects usually with synth and effects running on the iPad. The Linux PC doesn't provide all required synth and effects. Since I'm a guitarist, much important are the facilities of my electric guitars. For example, when using modeling while listening by headphones instead of using a real amp, what ever modeling should be used, either provided by Linux, the iPad or by a GR-55, it makes a difference what guitar I'm using, not just regarding the unique sound of the guitar, but especially of a feature that completes what ever modeling is used. One of my electric guitars has got a Sustainiac. Btw. both of my electric guitars have got a hex PU. The hex PU is not only important when using the GR-55 as a MIDI instrument, it improves modeling a lot. Depending on the music, some parts of the music could be done by using internal instruments and effects, without even using a MIDI instrument to record MIDI events. However, at some point a musician needs at least a MIDI instrument. It could make a big difference if we are playing good weighted keys, real guitar strings and a good guitar neck, etc. or if we are just using an elCheapo keyboard-guitar-sax-whatsoever-fake-MIDI-thingy. This could be much more important, than the used operating system. All the times there were and still are "sound tinkerers" who do not need a "classical instrument" and sometimes those "sound tinkerers" make really good music, but most of the times they are just bungler. A studio in the box with an orchestra in the box is something nice to have, but apart from so called "sound tinkerers" the used operating system is more or less irrelevant. A Fender Stratocaster alike guitar does sound different to a Gibson Les Paul alike guitar and due to e.g. a different length of the scale it feels different to play those guitars. A recording of one of those guitars, should sound all the same, what ever operating system we are using and it also should be in the same way comfortable to record and edit, independent of the used operating system. -- pacman -Q linux{,-rt{-securityink,-cornflower,,-pussytoes}}|cut -d\ -f2 4.16.13-1 4.16.12_rt5-1 4.16.8_rt3-1 4.16.7_rt1-1 4.14.34_rt27-1

On Sat, June 2, 2018 6:25 pm, jonetsu wrote: Did anyone else find suitable lyrics for this? I could not. Would not even have to be "pop," the music reminds me more of so-called alternative bands from late 80's and 90's, maybe Depeche Mode or Marilyn Manson. -- Chris Caudle

On Fri, August 10, 2018 11:13 am, jonetsu wrote: That is the problem and also the advantage of "pop" style music, even if it is not completely mainstream. The problem is that if a composition does not fit very closely with an existing example, words are not very good for creating associations. Also the advantage of pop music is that you can modify a few elements, but still give the listener some reference point, it can sound new but really just be a variant of an existing style, far enough removed that it is not classified the same, but still close enough that the listener is not completely baffled. You could change rhythms, instrumental timbre, even enrich harmonic language a little bit. You could not likely get away with 12-tone serial composition even with a nice dance beat. So no, I did not mean that Tlucco fits exactly with either of those two bands I referenced, but just to indicate that finding lyrics of "true" pop style like might be found in songs performed by Ariana Grande, Taylor Swift, Alessia Cara (just to pick a few names from the Billboard Hot 100 list this week) would not necessarily fit, but maybe darker or more introspective lyrics that lean more in the direction of those bands could fit the feel of the music. -- Chris C

On Fri, 25 May 2018 10:45:41 +0200 David Kastrup <dak(a)gnu.org> wrote: Is Linux such a demanding system that you have to contribute to it ? Is the definition of 'user' updated in this context to mean someone that contributes ? Simple users of the OS are banned ? Cheers.

On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 15:40:28 +0200 David Kastrup <dak(a)gnu.org> wrote: Well then (my mistake) the contribution OF Linux is easy to define: it powers up everything, renders active and oversees every component that are used in making music, from the hardware interface through the audio subsystem and in many cases although certainly not exclusively with software that's made to run on Linux only. Without Linux this would not happen as it is. One can drive another brand of car to get somewhere but then, it's not THAT car anymore but another. Do Linux audio creators have to use exclusive Linux tools ?

On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 16:01:31 +0200 David Kastrup <dak(a)gnu.org> wrote: I am very sorry, I do not get the meaning of your reply.

On Fri, Jun 01, 2018 at 04:22:29PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: This thread gives fuel to the maladapted GNU/Linux user stereotype. Come on, Philipp asked a question on how to find a specific subset of music (from the wiki link "at this page you can find music made with Linux and information about musicians who use Linux for their music composing and production."), it pains me to see the obsessive length we're *not* to answer this question. I suggest we try to be more considerate before $listmaster forces us to do so. Philipp, regarding your question, usually communities are built around *tools*, so search for well known open source music software and dive in, e.g.: https://lmms.io/competitions/ http://abcnotation.com/browseTunes Good luck with your hunt! -F

On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 16:22:29 +0200 David Kastrup <dak(a)gnu.org> wrote: This is getting pretty much out of the context. If you go that way then, is your creative production reflecting the glorious creation of God or is it just based on human low level emotions and passion and thus contributing to enslave humans more deeply into the material world (while being proud and unashamed at doing it) ? Instead, this thread is about Linux-made music, so let's keep it to that. This said, I do not mind the tangent for discussion purposes, but this thread is not about that.

On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 17:32:35 +0200 David Kastrup <dak(a)gnu.org> wrote: Made (created) in such a way that Linux is the operating system used for all the software components involved in the process to run. Then, people might ask, why make it a point ? People are not saying "made with Windows" after all. It is then that what makes Linux different comes through and it is why the point is made. One of those differences is that Linux is an Open and free operating system with no hidden software parts basically. It is not a proprietary OS owned by a company. That point only makes a large difference as a statement, as a choice, perhaps even as a political statement. That synths being used, DAWs, etc.. are full-fledged commercial products does not matter. By choosing Linux a (creative) statement is made.

On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 21:36:52 +0200 David Kastrup <dak(a)gnu.org> wrote: This is why is used 'basically', quoted below. I thought about it and decided I did not want to go the lawyer way, with clauses and disclaimers and all that. OK ok ok. I have an idea. Let's make music instead. How does it sound ? :) Cheers.

Paul Davis <paul(a)linuxaudiosystems.com> writes: You still need someone to pretend having anything to do with the music. Just ask Frank Farian (who created, among others, "Boney M" and "Milli Vanilli" for that pretense and was far more successful with those acts than when he experimentally tried giving concerts himself and with the kind of musicians actually on the tracks he sold). "Lipsynched using Linux" -- I think I need to show myself out now. -- David Kastrup

Len Ovens <len(a)ovenwerks.net> writes: Well, there is a reason I was using "general purpose operating system" in my proposed definition. But by far most of my instruments predate Linux, particularly as an OS attractive for embedded systems (more due to the development of the average size of memory for embedded systems than any inherent merit of Linux itself I guess). Personally, I'd rather like to be in possession of the blueprints to my 1960 accordion, but I suppose that would be more in the GNU than the Linux spirit. -- David Kastrup

Hmm, Wanting to make music is just part of my nature. Using Linux is a philosphical decision. Getting involved in development is another philosphical decision. Fortunately for me, all three are things I enjoy, present interesting challenges, and mesh rather well :) -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.

Le Fri, 1 Jun 2018 19:27:20 -0400, Tim <termtech(a)rogers.com> a écrit : For me, I would say the most important part of making music is playing some musical instrument and the lyrics I will sing on it. It is also the funniest part. The work to arrange the audio with ardour and eventually the video with cinelerra is quite boring and time consuming (especially when making a video). That imply I just don't understand how people can be happy making electronic music (just joking here because it is a lot of electronic music I like). For me making music is like making love, it is so much more fun when I can put my hands on than when its virtual. So so. In my case I would say made with a Framus classical guitar, cuban maracas and my voice, recorded with a Zomm H4 and arranged with Ardour on a GNU/linux laptop, but certainly not made with linux. Cheers, Dominique -- If you have a problem and you are not doing anything to fix it, you are at the heart of the problem.

On Fri, 25 May 2018 10:19:51 +0100 Will Godfrey <willgodfrey(a)musically.me.uk> wrote: Thanks Will :]