31 May
2005
31 May
'05
2:45 p.m.
Would it be beneficial to encourage a separate "music made with Linux"
list? Thoughts?
31 May
31 May
3:30 p.m.
On Tuesday 31 May 2005 18:44, Greg Wilder wrote:
Would it be beneficial to encourage a separate
"music made with Linux"
list? Thoughts?
I wouldn't like the idea. I like reading things like that.
For me it's like a Bonus-track on a very good CD. So reading audiointernals
with good music as james(a)dis-dot-dat.net does definitely is a good thing!
*whoooo*
Greets,
Joachim
3:30 p.m.
On Tue, 31 May, 2005 at 12:44PM -0400, Greg Wilder spake thus:
--
"I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated
Development
That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you."
(By Vance Petree, Virginia Power)
Would it be beneficial to encourage a separate
"music made with Linux"
list? Thoughts?
I thought so. So I set it up, and it doesn't get used. In fact, I'd
forgotten all about it.
I'll leave it up, just in case, but don't hold your breath.
http://dis-dot-dat.net/mailman/listinfo/lam_dis-dot-dat.net
5:02 p.m.
On Tuesday 31 May 2005 19:35, james(a)dis-dot-dat.net wrote:
On Tue, 31 May, 2005 at 12:44PM -0400, Greg Wilder
spake thus:
Just see my ironic mail from the first of April this year...
--
There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the
Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be
replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable.
There is another theory which states that this has already happened.
-- Douglas Adams, The Restaurant at the End of the Universe
Would it be beneficial to encourage a separate
"music made with Linux"
list? Thoughts?
I thought so. So I set it up, and it doesn't get used.
3:43 p.m.
On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 12:44:13PM -0400, Greg Wilder wrote:
Would it be beneficial to encourage a separate
"music made with Linux"
list? Thoughts?
Like this one:
http://lists.alt.org/mailman/listinfo/linart
- Steve
4:09 p.m.
New subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: [linux-audio-user] "Made with Linux" List?
Like this one:
http://lists.alt.org/mailman/listinfo/linart
Many apologies for not checking into this before I posted.
Would it be beneficial for LAU to encourage users to post music made
with Linux (including reviews/comments/suggestions) to another list
already created for this purpose?
Cheers,
Greg
5:01 p.m.
New subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: [linux-audio-user] "Made with Linux" List?
On Tuesday 31 May 2005 20:08, Greg Wilder wrote:
Would it be beneficial for LAU to encourage users to
post music made
with Linux (including reviews/comments/suggestions) to another list
already created for this purpose?
That would mean that I will miss music made with linux-audio. :-(
There is lad for devel-purposes, now once again we discuss about sending music
to other lists, maybe we could encourage to use the corresponding -user lists
and not ask user questions here. Of course there are the alsa-lists for all
the hardware and driver issues. => No more traffic here. => Shut down this
list, no one will miss it!
Arnold
--
There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the
Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be
replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable.
There is another theory which states that this has already happened.
-- Douglas Adams, The Restaurant at the End of the Universe
6:39 p.m.
New subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: [linux-audio-user] 'Made with Linux' List?
There is lad for devel-purposes, now once again we
discuss about sending
music
to other lists, maybe we could encourage to use the corresponding -user
lists
and not ask user questions here. Of course there are the alsa-lists for
all
the hardware and driver issues. => No more traffic here. => Shut down this
list, no one will miss it!
Arnold
I'm with Arnold, more the subjects are diversify more fellows we are so we
can get more help from eachothers :)
Regards
Philippe
3 Jun
3 Jun
11:16 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] 'Made with Linux' List?
On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 10:39:24PM -0000, Dubphil wrote:
I just joined this list for info relating to *all* aspects of running
audio on linux. I'm already on a few mailing lists and would prefer not
to subscribe to more lists than necessary. The volume of traffic on this
list is low compared to some others I'm on, so why not broaden the
spectrum of topics on this list?
--
Chris.
======
There is lad
for devel-purposes, now once again we discuss about sending
music
to other lists, maybe we could encourage to use the corresponding -user
lists
and not ask user questions here. Of course there are the alsa-lists for
all
the hardware and driver issues. => No more traffic here. => Shut down this
list, no one will miss it!
Arnold
I'm with Arnold, more the subjects are diversify more fellows we are so we
can get more help from eachothers :) 
1 Jun
1 Jun
6:58 p.m.
New subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: [linux-audio-user] "Made with Linux" List?
Would it be
beneficial for LAU to encourage users to post music made
with Linux (including reviews/comments/suggestions) to another list
already created for this purpose?
That would mean that I will miss music made with linux-audio. :-( There is lad for devel-purposes, now once again we
discuss about
sending music to other lists, maybe we could encourage to use the
corresponding -user lists and not ask user questions here. Of course
there are the alsa-lists for all the hardware and driver issues. =>
No more traffic here. => Shut down this list, no one will miss it!
linux-audio-dev: how to write audio software with linux
linux-audio-user: hot to use linux audio software
linux-audio-announce: linux audio software announcements (why do i
always get announcements to from lad/lau ?!?)
so what about:
linux-audio-music: if you want to know about "made with linux" music
or what about:
music: if you want to know about music in general (not limited to an os)
electroacoustic, country&western, drum'n'bass, acousmatics or whatever
you like?
tim
--
mailto:TimBlechmann@gmx.de ICQ: 96771783
http://www.mokabar.tk
latest mp3: kMW.mp3
http://mattin.org/mp3.html
latest cd: Goh Lee Kwang & Tim Blechmann: Drone
http://www.geocities.com/gohleekwangtimblechmannduo/
After one look at this planet any visitor from outer space
would say "I want to see the manager."
William S. Burroughs
8:50 p.m.
New subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: [linux-audio-user] "Made with Linux" List?
Hi all,
On Wednesday 01 June 2005 15:46, you wrote:
<ironic>
No, ardour-user, qsynth-user, zynaddsubfx-user, aeolus-user, qjackctl-user,
jack-user, etc... No need for linux-audio-user!
</ironic>
There is lad
for devel-purposes, now once again we discuss about
sending music to other lists, maybe we could encourage to use the
corresponding -user lists and not ask user questions here. Of course
there are the alsa-lists for all the hardware and driver issues. =>
No more traffic here. => Shut down this list, no one will miss it!
linux-audio-dev: how to write audio software with linux
linux-audio-user: hot to use linux audio software linux-audio-announce: linux audio software
announcements (why do i
always get announcements to from lad/lau ?!?)
so what about:
linux-audio-music: if you want to know about "made with linux" music
or what about:
music: if you want to know about music in general (not limited to an os)
electroacoustic, country&western, drum'n'bass, acousmatics or whatever
you like?
I think there are several forums / newsgroups for general (and not so general)
music topics, so there is no reason to start a new list for general music =>
linux-audio-music remains, which is bad as the music presented on that list
wouldn't be different from what is presented on general lists.
So why should the music stay on lau?
Because app-devels read lau as well. To help people, to read about their
problems and their success with the apps. And the success in audio is music
created with linux-audio-apps. Without the positive feedback of the music
there would be more bad than positive feedback for the devels which can be
really discouraging...
So: PLEASE LET THE MUSIC STAY ON LAU!!!
Arnold
--
There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the
Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be
replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable.
There is another theory which states that this has already happened.
-- Douglas Adams, The Restaurant at the End of the Universe
2 Jun
2 Jun
6:01 p.m.
New subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: [linux-audio-user] "Made with Linux" List?
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On Thursday 02 June 2005 00:50, Arnold Krille wrote:
[snip
So: PLEASE LET THE MUSIC STAY ON LAU!!!
I'd miss it if people went away with their pieces discussion. Don't know if
I'd subscribe to a list that is "tunes only". I like the music posts on LAU
as most of them are marked in the subject etc.
- - Burkhard
- --
Libre Audio, Libre Video, Libre Software: www.AGNULA.org
Public key available here:
<http://blackhole.pca.dfn.de:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xFD82303B>
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7:30 p.m.
New subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: [linux-audio-user] "Made with Linux" List?
On Thu, 02 Jun, 2005 at 10:00PM +0200, Burkhard Woelfel spake thus:
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On Thursday 02 June 2005 00:50, Arnold Krille wrote:
[snip
Good point. How about a convention then? Something like MUS:, like
we use ANN:?
So: PLEASE LET THE MUSIC STAY ON LAU!!!
I'd miss it if people went away with their pieces discussion. Don't know if
I'd subscribe to a list that is "tunes only". I like the music posts on LAU
as most of them are marked in the subject etc. - - Burkhard
- --
Libre Audio, Libre Video, Libre Software: www.AGNULA.org
Public key available here:
<http://blackhole.pca.dfn.de:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xFD82303B>
key FP 0A65 5E83 F44F 47A5 3DFC 19C5 7779 E411 FD82 303B
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=JIJe
--
"I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated
Development
That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you."
(By Vance Petree, Virginia Power)
3 Jun
3 Jun
9:44 a.m.
New subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: [linux-audio-user] "Made with Linux" List?
Last Thursday 02 June 2005 22:35, james(a)dis-dot-dat.net was like:
Good point. How about a convention then? Something
like MUS:, like
we use ANN:?
How about [MUSIC:] ?;-)
cheers,
tim hall
http://glastonburymusic.org.uk
8:51 p.m.
New subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: [linux-audio-user] "Made with Linux" List?
En/na tim hall ha escrit:
Last Thursday 02 June 2005 22:35, james(a)dis-dot-dat.net
was like:
I agree with this one. Everybody will understand it, even a new
subcriber to the list.
Good point. How about a convention then?
Something like MUS:, like
we use ANN:?
How about [MUSIC:] ?;-)
cheers,
tim hall
http://glastonburymusic.org.uk
4 Jun
4 Jun
7:27 a.m.
New subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: [linux-audio-user] "Made with Linux" List?
we use ANN:?
well, why the hell use ANN, if
there is a linux-audio-announce?!?
maybe i'm the only one, but imo receiving the same mail on three mailing
lists (lad, lau, laa) is a waste of bandwidth ...
t
--
mailto:TimBlechmann@gmx.de ICQ: 96771783
http://www.mokabar.tk
latest mp3: kMW.mp3
http://mattin.org/mp3.html
latest cd: Goh Lee Kwang & Tim Blechmann: Drone
http://www.geocities.com/gohleekwangtimblechmannduo/
After one look at this planet any visitor from outer space
would say "I want to see the manager."
William S. Burroughs
6 Jun
6 Jun
3:31 p.m.
New subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: [linux-audio-user] "Made with Linux" List?
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On Saturday 04 June 2005 00:05, Tim Blechmann wrote:
"It is customary for developers to cc: their
release announcements here, and for artists
to announce music 'Made with Linux'."
<http://www.linuxdj.com/audio/lad/subscribelau.php#topics>
- - Burkhard
- --
Libre Audio, Libre Video, Libre Software: www.AGNULA.org
Public key available here:
<http://blackhole.pca.dfn.de:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xFD82303B>
key FP 0A65 5E83 F44F 47A5 3DFC 19C5 7779 E411 FD82 303B
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31 May
31 May
5:51 p.m.
On Wednesday 01 June 2005 04:08, Greg Wilder wrote:
Would it be beneficial for LAU to encourage users to
post music made
with Linux (including reviews/comments/suggestions) to another list
already created for this purpose?
My personal feeling is that there is not quite enough
inertia to justify standalone lists, yet, but in the
mean time it would be good if folks consolidated their
repsones somewhat and consider the signal-to-noise ratio
of their message.
--markc
1 Jun
1 Jun
6:31 p.m.
Hallo,
Greg Wilder hat gesagt: // Greg Wilder wrote:
Maybe linart could be revived with some public relations? Just today I
got the monthly mailman-reminder from linart, but there hasn't been
a real mail since Sep 04 2004 and that one actually was a technical
topic (kernel, jackd).
I admit, that even for my own announcements I totally forgot about
linart.
Ciao
--
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__
_ __latest track: "scans" _ http://footils.org/cms/show/41
Like this one:
http://lists.alt.org/mailman/listinfo/linart
Many apologies for not checking into this before I posted.
Would it be beneficial for LAU to encourage users to post music made
with Linux (including reviews/comments/suggestions) to another list
already created for this purpose? 
4:54 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: "Made with Linux" List?
On Tue, 31 May 2005 12:44:13 -0400, Greg Wilder wrote:
Would it be beneficial to encourage a separate
"music made with Linux"
list? Thoughts?
There is the recently created "free musicians" wiki to post info and links
to music made with Linux:
musicians.opensrc.org
There is also a radio station stream there to which can be added links to
music.
I think that it would be really good if people could set up pages there,
to make the links to the music a bit more permanent, and also to help
others to find out how the music was composed.
Best,
james
6:43 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: "Made with Linux" List?
Would it be beneficial to encourage a separate "music made with Linux"
list? Thoughts?
___________________________________________________________________________
Hi All.
Music itself holds no prejudice so I think it should be all promoted as
Music. ( Pure and safe , which is free from definitions and critics)
There are already too many categorizations nowadays in music which
usually ride a fad or fashion curve and are used for filling up shelf
space. I think categorizing music as ‘music made on linux’ is baseless.
And discriminating music on the basis of which platform it was produced,
like Linux or from OS X of any other OS, actually degrades Music.(also
is a very technical discrimination) It is not something like it is rock
or jazz. It is also in a way admitting that linux is inferior in music
circles, which is not true at all. So I think we should be a little
careful while saying it is music produced on linux or a mac because for
the end listener it will be our music that is doing the talking(not
linux or windows). Linux, softwares, Mac, Sequencers etc are all
important but are still 'tools' to achieve the music.
<>Boom
<>Ish
frEeMuZik.net/ sarai.net
(P.S I m a strong supporter of Free software and Linux ... but (1) the
thoughts mentioned above are for ‘music’ and are not part of the 'free
software Vs. Proprietary software’ argument and (2) I m not looking at
'made with Linux' as a very technical definition, i m looking at it as
an 'end listener' definition )
James Stone wrote:
On Tue, 31 May 2005 12:44:13 -0400, Greg Wilder wrote:
Would it be beneficial to encourage a separate
"music made with Linux"
list? Thoughts?
There is the recently created "free musicians" wiki to post info and links
to music made with Linux:
musicians.opensrc.org
There is also a radio station stream there to which can be added links to
music.
I think that it would be really good if people could set up pages there,
to make the links to the music a bit more permanent, and also to help
others to find out how the music was composed.
Best,
james
7:25 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: "Made with Linux" List?
Hallo,
ISh hat gesagt: // ISh wrote:
And discriminating music on the basis of which
platform it was produced,
like Linux or from OS X of any other OS, actually degrades Music.(also
is a very technical discrimination)
Well, if you follow this to the end, then the annual Linux Audio
Conference could just as well stop to also present concerts with music
made using Linux.
It's not about a discussion if Linux is better or worse than other
operating systems for music production let alone if music made with
Linux is better or worse. "Made with Linux" would just be there to
show that Linux is usable for music production, which many people
outside our little village here still doubt, and that it is actually
*used* for doing music - which also isn't visible normally.
Ciao
--
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__
_ __latest track: "scans" _ http://footils.org/cms/show/41
8 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: "Made with Linux" List?
I think the point of having examples of music made with linux (i.e.
tools available for linux) is to be able to see what can be done, to
have subsequent discussions about which LADSPA plugin was used and all
that stuff. IMO it makes sense for lot of people on this list.
erik
ISh wrote:
Would it be beneficial to encourage a separate
"music made with Linux"
list? Thoughts?
___________________________________________________________________________
Hi All.
Music itself holds no prejudice so I think it should be all promoted as
Music. ( Pure and safe , which is free from definitions and critics)
There are already too many categorizations nowadays in music which
usually ride a fad or fashion curve and are used for filling up shelf
space. I think categorizing music as ‘music made on linux’ is baseless.
And discriminating music on the basis of which platform it was produced,
like Linux or from OS X of any other OS, actually degrades Music.(also
is a very technical discrimination) It is not something like it is rock
or jazz. It is also in a way admitting that linux is inferior in music
circles, which is not true at all. So I think we should be a little
careful while saying it is music produced on linux or a mac because for
the end listener it will be our music that is doing the talking(not
linux or windows). Linux, softwares, Mac, Sequencers etc are all
important but are still 'tools' to achieve the music.
<>Boom
<>Ish
frEeMuZik.net/ sarai.net
(P.S I m a strong supporter of Free software and Linux ... but (1) the
thoughts mentioned above are for ‘music’ and are not part of the 'free
software Vs. Proprietary software’ argument and (2) I m not looking at
'made with Linux' as a very technical definition, i m looking at it as
an 'end listener' definition )
James Stone wrote:
On Tue, 31 May 2005 12:44:13 -0400, Greg Wilder
wrote:
Would it be beneficial to encourage a separate
"music made with Linux"
list? Thoughts?
There is the recently created "free musicians" wiki to post info and
links
to music made with Linux:
musicians.opensrc.org
There is also a radio station stream there to which can be added links to
music.
I think that it would be really good if people could set up pages there,
to make the links to the music a bit more permanent, and also to help
others to find out how the music was composed.
Best,
james
9:05 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: "Made with Linux" List?
On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 02:59:34PM -0700, Erik Steffl wrote:
I think the point of having examples of music made
with linux (i.e.
tools available for linux) is to be able to see what can be done, to
have subsequent discussions about which LADSPA plugin was used and all
that stuff. IMO it makes sense for lot of people on this list.
+1
--
Paul Winkler
http://www.slinkp.com
2 Jun
2 Jun
1:52 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: "Made with Linux" List?
On Thursday 02 June 2005 09:04, Paul Winkler wrote:
On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 02:59:34PM -0700, Erik Steffl
wrote:
And even better is if the cream of that information made it
thru to a more persistent medium like a wiki so that other
folks, other than those that happen to be on this list when
a juicy message comes through, can also benefit from this
flow of info. Non-searchable mailing-list archives are
usually a lost cause that most folks do not want to use.
Then we await for Dave Phillips to condense all the list/wiki
info into a nice digestible format that makes sense :-)
--markc
I think the point of having examples of music
made with linux (i.e.
tools available for linux) is to be able to see what can be done, to
have subsequent discussions about which LADSPA plugin was used and all
that stuff. IMO it makes sense for lot of people on this list.
+1 
10:40 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: "Made with Linux" List?
Hi Mark:
I've had this idea of turning over parts of the soundapps pages to
interested readers. If someone wants to collect the URLs for sites
featuring music made with Linux software, I'll post the lot under the
Linux Music. It would be helpful if the collection were cast in the same
(brief) style I use now. I'll be happy to acknowledge section
organizers/maintainers. If anyone's interested please contact me off-list.
I look at the growing list of stuff to add to the next edition, and I
say "Oh no, not again..." :-/
Best,
dp
Mark Constable wrote:
On Thursday 02 June 2005 09:04, Paul Winkler wrote:
On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 02:59:34PM -0700, Erik
Steffl wrote:
And even better is if the cream of that information made it
thru to a more persistent medium like a wiki so that other
folks, other than those that happen to be on this list when
a juicy message comes through, can also benefit from this
flow of info. Non-searchable mailing-list archives are
usually a lost cause that most folks do not want to use.
Then we await for Dave Phillips to condense all the list/wiki
info into a nice digestible format that makes sense :-)
--markc
I think the point of having examples of music
made with linux (i.e.
tools available for linux) is to be able to see what can be done, to
have subsequent discussions about which LADSPA plugin was used and all
that stuff. IMO it makes sense for lot of people on this list.
+1
1:49 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: "Made with Linux" List?
--- Dave Phillips <dlphillips(a)woh.rr.com> wrote:
Hi Mark:
I've had this idea of turning over parts of the
soundapps pages to
interested readers. If someone wants to collect the
URLs for sites
featuring music made with Linux software, I'll post
the lot under the
Linux Music. It would be helpful if the collection
were cast in the same
(brief) style I use now. I'll be happy to
acknowledge section
organizers/maintainers. If anyone's interested
please contact me off-list.
I look at the growing list of stuff to add to the
next edition, and I
say "Oh no, not again..." :-/
The obvious answer is to quit your day job. :)
ron
Best,
dp
Mark Constable wrote:
+1
And even better is if the cream of that information made it
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On Thursday 02 June 2005 09:04, Paul Winkler
wrote:
>On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 02:59:34PM -0700, Erik
Steffl wrote:
>
>
>> I think the point of having examples of music
made with linux (i.e.
>>tools available for linux) is to be able
to see
what can be done, to
>>have subsequent discussions about which
LADSPA
plugin was used and all
>>that stuff. IMO it makes sense for lot of
people
on this list.
thru to a more persistent medium like a wiki so
that other
folks, other than those that happen to be on this
list when
a juicy message comes through, can also benefit
from this
flow of info. Non-searchable mailing-list archives
are
usually a lost cause that most folks do not want
to
use.
Then we await for Dave Phillips to condense all the
list/wiki
info into a nice digestible format that makes
sense
:-)
--markc
2:25 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: "Made with Linux" List?
R Parker wrote:
--- Dave Phillips <dlphillips(a)woh.rr.com> wrote:
But I get along so well with my boss !
dp
I look at the growing list of stuff to add to
the
next edition, and I
say "Oh no, not again..." :-/
The obvious answer is to quit your day job. :)
2:57 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] RME 9636 no control
Hi All
Is there a known problem with this particular card and alsa?
I don't seem to be able to set/change the card settings from within
Linux.
If I try rmedigicontrol
I get:
no rme digi soundcards found
and with
HDSPMixer gives me:
card 0 : rme digi9636 irq 19
no HSDP DSP cards found Which is quite right.
Is there any drivers I can get to allow control of the card?
I'm using Debian.
**************
According to the Planet guys this is an old card, does it mean I cannot
use this in Linux?
This would be a major problem for me here
*****************
Thanks for your time
Bob
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