30 Nov
2007
30 Nov
'07
7:53 p.m.
Folks,
OK, Linux synths are great. And yes, if many ways they are.
Although recently I got a M-Audio Prokeys88 and I swear the Warmpad
sound in there does not have any equivalent in richness in what I've
heard so far in Linux soft synths.
If you do have an close-sounding Linux soft synth sound, let me know,
I'd be very interested in hearing it.
That makes me tend to believe that hardware synths sounds are still
leading in quality, deepness and richness. Any other opinions ?
Cheers,
Al
30 Nov
30 Nov
7:58 p.m.
lanas wrote:
OK, Linux synths are great. And yes, if many ways
they are.
Although recently I got a M-Audio Prokeys88 and I swear the Warmpad
sound in there does not have any equivalent in richness in what I've
heard so far in Linux soft synths.
Sorry, you're too far away and I can't hear it from here.
Care to post an Ogg file on the web somewhere so I can hear?
Erik
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8:22 p.m.
On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 10:58:53 +1100
Erik de Castro Lopo <mle+la(a)mega-nerd.com> wrote:
lanas wrote:
That's rather what I thought.
--
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
OK, Linux synths are great. And yes, if many
ways they are.
Although recently I got a M-Audio Prokeys88 and I swear the Warmpad
sound in there does not have any equivalent in richness in what I've
heard so far in Linux soft synths.
Sorry, you're too far away and I can't hear it from here.
Care to post an Ogg file on the web somewhere so I can hear?
Erik 
8:32 p.m.
I'm afraid I can't afford a hardware synth. Until now I'll just keep
programming my own...
On Fri, 2007-11-30 at 19:28 -0500, lanas wrote:
Le Samedi, 1 Décembre 2007 00:16:07 +0000,
Folderol <folderol(a)ukfsn.org> a écrit :
--
My Website:
http://eckz.zapto.org/eckz/
That's rather what I thought.
Do not think. Listen. Do you have any recent hardware synth ?
Cheers,
Al
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8:40 p.m.
Since I've never owned a hardware synth I'm only speaking theoretically
but I don't think that there's anything that my baby Csound can't
reproduce if not improve upon. Perhaps you could post some sample so we
may listen. ZynAdd is really good, but all the presets sound too plain
unless you add some effects.
--
My Website:
http://eckz.zapto.org/eckz/
1 Dec
1 Dec
6:10 a.m.
On Dec 1, 2007 2:31 AM, TheRevoltingX <therevoltingx(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Since I've never owned a hardware synth I'm
only speaking theoretically
but I don't think that there's anything that my baby Csound can't
reproduce if not improve upon.
Amen.
Csound, among others, is a bona fide programming language; that means
that any technique executed by a computer inside any synth (or any
refrigerator, microwave, or BMW) can be implemented using Csound.
The difference between a programmable computer and a dedicated
computer inside a hard synth is that the programmable one has to be
prepared to do other things too, so there may be more work involved in
emulating the hard synth. But that also means that it would be
possible to emulate any number of hard synths at the same time, feed
them into each other, vocode with them, etc.
Analog is a different question, one that analog freaks don't even want
to debate. Meh. I like analog sounds, but I like precise tuning
control better.
As far as the interface, all a computer does is take input and give
output; where the input comes from and where the output goes is up to
the user. You could hook up the exact same knobs and buttons to input
to a softsynth in any way whatsoever.
Granted, there is often a steeper learning curve for programmable
softsynths; but there is a higher learning curve for English than for
Hawaiian, and that doesn't mean Hawaiian is more useful for writing
poetry.
-Chuckk
--
http://www.badmuthahubbard.com
30 Nov
30 Nov
8:29 p.m.
Le Samedi, 1 Decembre 2007 10:58:53 +1100,
Erik de Castro Lopo <mle+la(a)mega-nerd.com> a écrit :
Hey. were still Friday here. So it's much simpler. Do you have any
recent hardware synth ?
Cheers,
Al
OK, Linux
synths are great. And yes, if many ways they are.
Although recently I got a M-Audio Prokeys88 and I swear the Warmpad
sound in there does not have any equivalent in richness in what I've
heard so far in Linux soft synths.
Sorry, you're too far away and I can't hear it from here.
Care to post an Ogg file on the web somewhere so I can hear? 
30 Nov
30 Nov
8:32 p.m.
On Nov 30, 2007 6:50 PM, lanas <lanas(a)securenet.net> wrote:
OK, Linux synths are great. And yes, if many ways
they are.
Although recently I got a M-Audio Prokeys88 and I swear the Warmpad
sound in there does not have any equivalent in richness in what I've
heard so far in Linux soft synths.
If you do have an close-sounding Linux soft synth sound, let me know,
I'd be very interested in hearing it.
I do not own the Prokeys88 and therefore I have no idea what it sounds
like. However I believe that "richeness" is simply a matter of
personal taste. (NB. I could not even find such model on the M-Audio
website).
That makes me tend to believe that hardware synths sounds are still
leading in quality, deepness and richness. Any other opinions ?
Use the tool that is the most suited to your needs.
However, I find it hard to believe that one cannot use linux to
synthesize a sound that has been achieved in a hardware synth. My
opinion is that some preset sounds on a hardware synth have seduced
you more than preset sounds in software synths. It's not your fault
but it is hardly a reason to make the above judgment.
./MiS
8:37 p.m.
On Saturday 01 December 2007, lanas wrote:
[...]
That makes me tend to believe that hardware synths
sounds are
still leading in quality, deepness and richness. Any other
opinions ?
Theoretically, there shouldn't really be a reason for softsynths to be
inferior in any way at all these days. If the same algorithms are
used - and that's well within reach with current CPUs - the results
are identical.
Obviously, you need to use a serious sound card to do any softsynth
justice. Actually, you'd probably have an edge over most hardware
synths if you use a really good 24/96 sound card.
So, why do hardware synths still tend to sound better? (*If* they do,
that is. I'm out of the loop, so I just don't know what the best of
the respective worlds sounds like at the moment.)
I believe it comes down to tweaking and polishing. Hardware synths are
expensive beasts, and all you get is one instance with limited
polyphony. They *have* to sound better, or be vastly superior in some
other way, or no one is going to pay that kind of money.
There shouldn't be a problem getting at least as good sound out of a
softsynth, provided someone actually takes the time to tune the DSP
to perfection and program a set of really good sounds. I'm not sure
that is ever going to happen for Free/Open Source synths - but then
again, it just might if/when the community reaches that particular
critical mass.
//David Olofson - Programmer, Composer, Open Source Advocate
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8:49 p.m.
Le Samedi, 1 Décembre 2007 01:34:42 +0100,
David Olofson <david(a)olofson.net> a écrit :
I believe it comes down to tweaking and polishing.
Hardware synths
are expensive beasts, and all you get is one instance with limited
polyphony. They *have* to sound better, or be vastly superior in some
other way, or no one is going to pay that kind of money.
Could very well be. I agree with what you're saying. I'm working
quite often at the FPGA level interface and such so I do not see any
major hindrance for delivering deep, rich sounds with Linux software,
as long as the hardware can deliver it.
There shouldn't be a problem getting at least as
good sound out of a
softsynth, provided someone actually takes the time to tune the DSP
to perfection and program a set of really good sounds. I'm not sure
that is ever going to happen for Free/Open Source synths - but then
again, it just might if/when the community reaches that particular
critical mass.
That's the dilemna. Too often I read that x card is supported in Linux
only to find out that the guys managed to get bytes out of it and
that's it.
Just to be sure: I'm all for Linux and Open Source.
Cheers,
Al
1 Dec
1 Dec
3:38 a.m.
lanas wrote:
Folks,
OK, Linux synths are great. And yes, if many ways they are.
Although recently I got a M-Audio Prokeys88 and I swear the Warmpad
sound in there does not have any equivalent in richness in what I've
heard so far in Linux soft synths.
If you do have an close-sounding Linux soft synth sound, let me know,
I'd be very interested in hearing it.
That makes me tend to believe that hardware synths sounds are still
leading in quality, deepness and richness. Any other opinions ?
Well, I think that Yamaha's sound patches in their hardware synthesizers
sound much better than any soundfont I've heard. But if you're talking
about a pure synthesizer (one that generates its own sounds, not simply
playing what is basically just a sampled sound) - hard to tell. I still
think the Moog synthesizer sound is the best!
--
David
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
3:51 a.m.
david kirjoitti:
I still think the Moog synthesizer sound is the best!
You remember Synclavier - Zappa was mad about it... Jazz from Hell...
"Synclavier Systems were expensive - the highest price ever paid for one
was about $500,000, although average systems were closer to about
$200,000 - $300,000."
Oh my...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synclavier
Best Regards Asmo Koskinen.
4:13 a.m.
Asmo Koskinen wrote:
david kirjoitti:
Thanks for the reminders! I'd forgotten. I never had the money for
Synclavier or Fairlight, but I would have enjoyed playing with one!
What the PC did for that market wasn't doing it better - just doing it
cheaper. Just like the Amiga and the Video Toaster - it didn't do video
effects any better than the hardware already in use in the video biz. It
just made doing the same effects cheaper by a factor of 12.
--
David
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
I still think the Moog synthesizer sound is the
best!
You remember Synclavier - Zappa was mad about it... Jazz from Hell...
"Synclavier Systems were expensive - the highest price ever paid for one
was about $500,000, although average systems were closer to about
$200,000 - $300,000."
Oh my...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synclavier 
9:24 a.m.
On Sat, 2007-12-01 at 09:50 +0200, Asmo Koskinen wrote:
david kirjoitti:
Apparently Brad Naples (who was involved with the Synclavier) is
interested in Linux audio:
http://www.gearwire.com/synclavier-linuxdigitalaudio-interview.html
Damon
I still think the Moog synthesizer sound is the
best!
You remember Synclavier - Zappa was mad about it... Jazz from Hell...
"Synclavier Systems were expensive - the highest price ever paid for one
was about $500,000, although average systems were closer to about
$200,000 - $300,000."
Oh my...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synclavier
9:39 a.m.
On Dec 1, 2007 9:50 AM, Asmo Koskinen <asmo.koskinen(a)arkki.info> wrote:
david kirjoitti:
It surprises me that Frank, my all-time hero, never got into computers
for music until the 80's. He was so hip to so many other "new
directions" but only took an interest in computers when he could use
them without changing his established work methods too much. Well,
whatever it took, I guess, I like his non-computer recordings far more
anyway.
-Chuckk
--
http://www.badmuthahubbard.com
I still think the Moog synthesizer sound is the
best!
You remember Synclavier - Zappa was mad about it... Jazz from Hell... 
4:08 a.m.
On Fri, 30 Nov 2007, david wrote:
Well, I think that Yamaha's sound patches in their
hardware synthesizers
sound much better than any soundfont I've heard. But if you're talking
about a pure synthesizer (one that generates its own sounds, not simply
playing what is basically just a sampled sound) - hard to tell. I still
think the Moog synthesizer sound is the best!
Another thing that hardware synths have over software is the user
interface. You just can't get the kind of flexibility that you have when
you reach out and grab cables and frob knobs.
--
David Griffith
dgriffi(a)cs.csubak.edu
4:35 a.m.
David Griffith wrote:
On Fri, 30 Nov 2007, david wrote:
I agree with that! The Moog was so *manipulable*. Even the Hammond organ
I played during my professional music career was manipulable in ways
that synthesizers don't conveniently make available - moving the
tonebars in and out while playing, for instance.
Reminds me - I need to splice an audio tape back together and get a
working tape deck. I have an old solo recording of a Hammond organ going
through a wah-wah pedal and fuzz box before going into an amp, I should
make another tape copy and digitize it before the tape dies completely.
It would have been recorded sometime between 1973 and 1975.
I do want to try my Wacom tablet as a control surface sometime. Even a
Smartboard would be an interesting way to do music.
--
David
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
Well, I think that Yamaha's sound patches in
their hardware synthesizers
sound much better than any soundfont I've heard. But if you're talking
about a pure synthesizer (one that generates its own sounds, not simply
playing what is basically just a sampled sound) - hard to tell. I still
think the Moog synthesizer sound is the best!
Another thing that hardware synths have over software is the user
interface. You just can't get the kind of flexibility that you have when
you reach out and grab cables and frob knobs.
4:55 a.m.
On Fri, 30 Nov 2007, david wrote:
David Griffith wrote:
Check out http://www.synthesizers.com/ for new synths in the spirit of the
old Moog modulars. About $2600 gets you a 22 module system in an oiled
walnut case. On the cheaper end, a Paia Fatman is a worthy machine at
only about $250.
--
David Griffith
dgriffi(a)cs.csubak.edu
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Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?
On Fri, 30 Nov 2007, david wrote:
I agree with that! The Moog was so *manipulable*. Even the Hammond organ
I played during my professional music career was manipulable in ways
that synthesizers don't conveniently make available - moving the
tonebars in and out while playing, for instance. Well, I think that Yamaha's sound patches in
their hardware synthesizers
sound much better than any soundfont I've heard. But if you're talking
about a pure synthesizer (one that generates its own sounds, not simply
playing what is basically just a sampled sound) - hard to tell. I still
think the Moog synthesizer sound is the best!
Another thing that hardware synths have over software is the user
interface. You just can't get the kind of flexibility that you have when
you reach out and grab cables and frob knobs.
5:18 a.m.
David Griffith wrote:
Check out http://www.synthesizers.com/ for new synths in the spirit of the
old Moog modulars. About $2600 gets you a 22 module system in an oiled
walnut case. On the cheaper end, a Paia Fatman is a worthy machine at
only about $250.
Oooohh - yummy! Duly bookmarked for a purchase of some kind someday!
--
David
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
On Fri, 30 Nov 2007, david wrote:
I agree with that! The Moog was so
*manipulable*. Even the Hammond organ
I played during my professional music career was manipulable in ways
that synthesizers don't conveniently make available - moving the
tonebars in and out while playing, for instance. Well, I think that Yamaha's sound patches in
their hardware synthesizers
sound much better than any soundfont I've heard. But if you're talking
about a pure synthesizer (one that generates its own sounds, not simply
playing what is basically just a sampled sound) - hard to tell. I still
think the Moog synthesizer sound is the best!
Another thing that hardware synths
have over software is the user
interface. You just can't get the kind of flexibility that you have when
you reach out and grab cables and frob knobs. 
2 Dec
2 Dec
12:54 a.m.
On Saturday 01 December 2007 01:35:30 david wrote:
David Griffith wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Nov 2007, david wrote:
>> Well, I think that Yamaha's sound patches in their hardware synthesizers
>> sound much better than any soundfont I've heard.
---------------------------How much of Yamaha's sound is influenced by the
400+ patents developed by Stanford's digital musical department over about 15
years. I believe the project was known as "Sondius."
http://otl.stanford.edu/tech/sondius.html
Beyond this I cannot elaborate. Probably someone from CCRMA can illuminate
the way.
-------------clipped----------<
I do want to try my Wacom tablet as a control surface
sometime. Even a
Smartboard would be an interesting way to do music.
Digital gloves.
Tom
2:01 a.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: thomas fisher <studio1(a)commspeed.net>
Date: Saturday, December 1, 2007 6:55 pm
Subject: Re: [LAU] Hardware synths
To: linux-audio-user(a)lists.linuxaudio.org
On Saturday 01 December 2007 01:35:30 david wrote:
Interesting. Looks like some of the patents have expired - some were
filed in 1986, that's over 20 years, yes?
David Griffith wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Nov 2007, david wrote:
>> Well, I think that Yamaha's sound patches in their hardware
synthesizers> >> sound much better than any soundfont I've heard.
---------------------------How much of Yamaha's sound is influenced
by the
400+ patents developed by Stanford's digital musical department
over about 15
years. I believe the project was known as "Sondius."
http://otl.stanford.edu/tech/sondius.html Beyond this I cannot elaborate. Probably someone from
CCRMA can
illuminate
the way.
-------------clipped----------<
A little more costly than I'm ready to spend. I already have two Wacom
tablets.
David
authenticity, honesty, community
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
I do want to try my Wacom tablet as a control
surface sometime.
Even a
Smartboard would be an interesting way to do
music.
Digital gloves.
3:27 a.m.
On Saturday 01 December 2007 23:01:22 gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: thomas fisher <studio1(a)commspeed.net>
Date: Saturday, December 1, 2007 6:55 pm
Subject: Re: [LAU] Hardware synths
To: linux-audio-user(a)lists.linuxaudio.org
FYI:
Glove-based input interfaces
http://createdigitalmusic.com/?p=423
http://www.gizmag.com/go/1148/
ebay $59
http://cgi.ebay.com/Essential-Reality-P5-3D-Game-Controller-Virtual-Glove_W…
Tom
On Saturday 01 December 2007 01:35:30 david
wrote:
Interesting. Looks like some of the patents have expired - some were
filed in 1986, that's over 20 years, yes?
David Griffith wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Nov 2007, david wrote:
>> Well, I think that Yamaha's sound patches in their hardware
synthesizers> >> sound much better than any soundfont I've heard.
---------------------------How much of Yamaha's sound is influenced
by the
400+ patents developed by Stanford's digital musical department
over about 15
years. I believe the project was known as "Sondius."
http://otl.stanford.edu/tech/sondius.html Beyond this I cannot elaborate. Probably someone
from CCRMA can
illuminate
the way.
-------------clipped----------<
A little more costly than I'm ready to spend. I already have two Wacom
tablets.
David I do want to try my Wacom tablet as a control
surface sometime.
Even a
Smartboard would be an interesting way to do
music.
Digital gloves.
3:33 a.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: thomas fisher <studio1(a)commspeed.net>
Date: Saturday, December 1, 2007 9:27 pm
Subject: Re: [LAU] Hardware synths
To: linux-audio-user(a)lists.linuxaudio.org
On Saturday 01 December 2007 23:01:22
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com wrote:
Wacom>
tablets.
FYI:
Glove-based input interfaces
http://createdigitalmusic.com/?p=423
http://www.gizmag.com/go/1148/
ebay $59
http://cgi.ebay.com/Essential-Reality-P5-3D-Game-Controller-Virtual-
Glove_W0QQitemZ330176465437QQcmdZViewItem
Thanks. Still more than I can spend right now.
David
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
----- Original Message -----
From: thomas fisher <studio1(a)commspeed.net>
Date: Saturday, December 1, 2007 6:55 pm
Subject: Re: [LAU] Hardware synths
To: linux-audio-user(a)lists.linuxaudio.org
> On Saturday 01 December 2007 01:35:30 david wrote:
> > David Griffith wrote:
> > > On Fri, 30 Nov 2007, david wrote:
> > >> Well, I think that Yamaha's sound patches in their hardware
>
> synthesizers> >> sound much better than any soundfont I've heard.
> ---------------------------How much of Yamaha's sound is
influenced>
> by the
400+
patents developed by Stanford's digital musical department
over about 15
years. I believe the project was known as "Sondius."
http://otl.stanford.edu/tech/sondius.html
Interesting. Looks like some of the patents have expired - some were
filed in 1986, that's over 20 years, yes?
Beyond this I cannot elaborate. Probably someone
from CCRMA can
illuminate
the way.
-------------clipped----------<
A little more costly than I'm ready to spend. I already have two I do want to try my Wacom tablet as a control
surface sometime.
Even a
Smartboard would be an interesting way to do
music.
Digital gloves.
4:15 a.m.
On Dec 2, 2007 9:26 AM, thomas fisher <studio1(a)commspeed.net> wrote:
FYI:
Glove-based input interfaces
http://createdigitalmusic.com/?p=423
http://www.gizmag.com/go/1148/
ebay $59
http://cgi.ebay.com/Essential-Reality-P5-3D-Game-Controller-Virtual-Glove_W…
The Linux P5 driver has stalled, and its creator doesn't have much to
say. It is extremely jumpy to the point of being unusable for musical
purposes. There are very good Windows drivers and input redirection
programs for it, but you may find yourself having to write code to use
it in Linux. I also wrote to the guy who wrote the best Windows
driver and never got a response.
The P5 is an amazing device, but almost forgotten.
-Chuckk
--
http://www.badmuthahubbard.com
3 Dec
3 Dec
12:09 a.m.
New subject: Synths
While synths have been current topics here are a couple of links that may be
of interest:
A free book by Simon Cann
How to Make A Noise
A comprehensive guide to synthesizer programming
http://www.noisesculpture.com/
An interesting site that includes Acoustic phonetics {formants}
http://www.umanitoba.ca/faculties/arts/linguistics/russell/138/notes.htm
Joy
Tom
1 Dec
1 Dec
11:24 a.m.
On Saturday 01 December 2007 03:08, David Griffith wrote:
Another thing that hardware synths have over software
is the user
interface. You just can't get the kind of flexibility that you
have when you reach out and grab cables and frob knobs.
Well, there are controllers out there with a lot of knobs and sliders.
I have one myself. But I haven't had time to get my sliders working
with Bristol as drawbars, for example, or to get my knobs working
with Zyn, and that's something I do see as a drawback.... but the
lack of controller standardization is really the fault of the
hardware makers, not the Linux synth authors.
I've played and owned a lot of hardware synths over the years, but
ever since I realized 10 years ago that I could get a recording of a
software synth with no analog hiss, I haven't played hardware synths
at all. Once I got my little Edirol controller, I put them all in
storage and will probably sell them someday if they still work,
though someone just gave me a CZ-101 and I may give in to nostalgia
for a while first. I was tempted by that Korg vocoder one that came
out a couple years ago, but.... no SPDIF, no deal.
Maybe someday it'd be possible through the existence of LASH to create
a standard control set (I assume LASH sessions include things like
MIDI control mapping) and write "drivers" for all our controllers to
map the physical controls to that control set. But I probably
wouldn't be able to contribute much to that aside from a
few "drivers", because LASH is magic to me.
Rob
12:13 p.m.
On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 10:21:42 -0500
Rob <lau(a)kudla.org> wrote:
On Saturday 01 December 2007 03:08, David Griffith
wrote:
I think you're also talking apples & oranges. I have two hardware
synths, which I mix with ZynAddSubFX. I've not used Csound, it's too
complicated for me :(
I would also think it depends on whether you are in a studio making a
recording or on a live gig. A hardware synth might be more convenient
played live (dunno, don't do live work myself) and would probably
impress the punters more than a tiny laptop. But I would think in a
studio setting a softsynth would win on performance every time.
--
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Another thing that hardware synths have over
software is the user
interface. You just can't get the kind of flexibility that you
have when you reach out and grab cables and frob knobs.
Well, there are controllers out there with a lot of knobs and sliders.
I have one myself. But I haven't had time to get my sliders working
with Bristol as drawbars, for example, or to get my knobs working
with Zyn, and that's something I do see as a drawback.... but the
lack of controller standardization is really the fault of the
hardware makers, not the Linux synth authors.
I've played and owned a lot of hardware synths over the years, but
ever since I realized 10 years ago that I could get a recording of a
software synth with no analog hiss, I haven't played hardware synths
at all. Once I got my little Edirol controller, I put them all in
storage and will probably sell them someday if they still work,
though someone just gave me a CZ-101 and I may give in to nostalgia
for a while first. I was tempted by that Korg vocoder one that came
out a couple years ago, but.... no SPDIF, no deal.
Maybe someday it'd be possible through the existence of LASH to create
a standard control set (I assume LASH sessions include things like
MIDI control mapping) and write "drivers" for all our controllers to
map the physical controls to that control set. But I probably
wouldn't be able to contribute much to that aside from a
few "drivers", because LASH is magic to me.
Rob 
4:20 p.m.
On Sat, 2007-12-01 at 00:08 -0800, David Griffith wrote:
On Fri, 30 Nov 2007, david wrote:
One key aspect of nekobee is that it responds to MIDI continuous
controllers. When I get time, I'll post the Xiosynth controller patch.
My work-in-progress "single-oscillator + sub osc, 24dB/oct lowpass
6dB/oct highpass filter and choruser" synth that's *NOT IN ANY WAY AT
ALL* based on a real hardware synth started life when I wrote a piece of
code to map sysex messages from my Juno to OSC commands.
Gordon
Well, I think that Yamaha's sound patches in
their hardware synthesizers
sound much better than any soundfont I've heard. But if you're talking
about a pure synthesizer (one that generates its own sounds, not simply
playing what is basically just a sampled sound) - hard to tell. I still
think the Moog synthesizer sound is the best!
Another thing that hardware synths have over software is the user
interface. You just can't get the kind of flexibility that you have when
you reach out and grab cables and frob knobs. 
7:08 a.m.
lanas wrote:
OK, Linux synths are great. And yes, if many ways
they are.
Although recently I got a M-Audio Prokeys88 and I swear the Warmpad
sound in there does not have any equivalent in richness in what I've
heard so far in Linux soft synths.
Don't agree.
I'm currently thinging hard about going back to my csound based linux
soft setup. Last night I played a gig (pop/rock) with just my laptop,
csound, 3 evolution usb keyboards and this setup really has alot of
benefits over my old hardware setup + the sound is at least as good.
My (not so fantastic) hardware is Yamaha P60 stage piano, Roland JV-80
and Alesis Micron. I also owned a bunch of other hardware synths
including wavestations, sy77, alpha juno, Kawai K5, Korg EX8000.
The sound quality of csound is top notch, and it's very flexible.
--
peace, love & harmony
Atte
http://atte.dk | http://myspace.com/attejensen
http://anagrammer.dk | http://modlys.dk
8:13 a.m.
On Dec 1, 2007 1:08 PM, Atte André Jensen <atte.jensen(a)gmail.com> wrote:
lanas wrote:
OK, Linux synths are great. And yes, if many
ways they are.
Although recently I got a M-Audio Prokeys88 and I swear the Warmpad
sound in there does not have any equivalent in richness in what I've
heard so far in Linux soft synths.
Don't agree. The sound quality of csound is top notch, and it's
very flexible.
Agreed. It is also capable of completely customizable microtuning,
which, despite what some of you may have heard, is not possible on any
hard synth. They may say it is- but you are limited by the number of
keys on the hardware, which is not the case with Csound.
I used to harp about the difficulty of using Csound with any fluency,
but this is a difference of degree, not of kind: It is hard to learn,
but I believe someone very experienced with Csound can work as
efficiently as someone very experienced with simpler interfaces, doing
the same tasks.
-Chuckk
--
http://www.badmuthahubbard.com
8:20 a.m.
On Sat, 2007-12-01 at 14:13 +0200, Chuckk Hubbard wrote:
On Dec 1, 2007 1:08 PM, Atte André Jensen
<atte.jensen(a)gmail.com> wrote:
But if you're going to play it like an instrument you'll still need some
sort of hardware, which will typically have a finite number of keys.
Writing .sco files isn't all that fun.
--ll
lanas wrote:
OK, Linux synths are great. And yes, if many
ways they are.
Although recently I got a M-Audio Prokeys88 and I swear the Warmpad
sound in there does not have any equivalent in richness in what I've
heard so far in Linux soft synths.
Don't agree. The sound quality of csound is top notch, and
it's very flexible.
Agreed. It is also capable of completely customizable microtuning,
which, despite what some of you may have heard, is not possible on any
hard synth. They may say it is- but you are limited by the number of
keys on the hardware, which is not the case with Csound.
I used to harp about the difficulty of using Csound with any fluency,
but this is a difference of degree, not of kind: It is hard to learn,
but I believe someone very experienced with Csound can work as
efficiently as someone very experienced with simpler interfaces, doing
the same tasks.
8:45 a.m.
On Dec 1, 2007 2:19 PM, Lars Luthman <lars.luthman(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 2007-12-01 at 14:13 +0200, Chuckk Hubbard wrote:
I definitely agree with that; but there are other ways to send
frequency info than physical keys. I made my own sequencer, others
use algorithms or other text-based score languages (e.g. Scala) that
may be a bit simpler than Csound's.
And again, writing .sco files is a skill that, if one is motivated
enough, becomes easier with practice. A text editor like emacs can do
a lot of the work.
-Chuckk
--
http://www.badmuthahubbard.com
Agreed. It is also capable of completely
customizable microtuning,
which, despite what some of you may have heard, is not possible on any
hard synth. They may say it is- but you are limited by the number of
keys on the hardware, which is not the case with Csound.
I used to harp about the difficulty of using Csound with any fluency,
but this is a difference of degree, not of kind: It is hard to learn,
but I believe someone very experienced with Csound can work as
efficiently as someone very experienced with simpler interfaces, doing
the same tasks.
But if you're going to play it like an instrument you'll still need some
sort of hardware, which will typically have a finite number of keys.
Writing .sco files isn't all that fun.
4:19 p.m.
On Fri, 2007-11-30 at 18:50 -0500, lanas wrote:
Folks,
OK, Linux synths are great. And yes, if many ways they are.
Although recently I got a M-Audio Prokeys88 and I swear the Warmpad
sound in there does not have any equivalent in richness in what I've
heard so far in Linux soft synths.
I guarantee you that your M-Audio synth is in fact a softsynth, just
like my Novation Xiosynth.
If you do have an close-sounding Linux soft synth
sound, let me know,
I'd be very interested in hearing it.
Mmm, nekostring? Without hearing a sample of your sound, it's hard to
say.
That makes me tend to believe that hardware synths
sounds are still
leading in quality, deepness and richness. Any other opinions ?
I prefer hardware synths for a lot of things, but not reliability ;-)
Gordon
5:43 p.m.
like most 'gut feelings' related to anything audio the only real answer lies
in a pair of heaphones,a blondfold and an A/B box. Solves all problems of
perception.
Ianas wrote:
That makes me tend to believe that hardware synths
sounds are still
leading in quality, deepness and richness. Any other opinions ?
6:07 p.m.
On Saturday 01 December 2007, bradley newton haug wrote:
like most 'gut feelings' related to anything
audio the only real
answer lies in a pair of heaphones,a blondfold and an A/B box.
Solves all problems of perception.
...but that would require playing the *exact* same sounds on both
systems, which is pretty much where the very problem is here: The
hardware synths tend to use secret, proprietary algorithms.
Now, even if there is a software version of a synth, using the same
algorithm, what's the point in comparing them? Well, you'll find out
if there is a significant difference in the quality of the DACs, but
that's about all...
From a theoretical standpoint, there's no need for an A/B test at all.
The hardware synths most people are talking about here *are*
computers running software synths. Same algorithm ==> same result.
(Assuming "algorithm" includes using or emulating the exact same data
types, obviously.)
And, if you find a softsynth inferior to some hardware synth due to
resolution issues, recompiling it with 'double' sample and control
values would allow it to beat most hardware synths flat to the ground
in that department, I'd think. Or why not 'long double' while you're
at it. ;-)
//David Olofson - Programmer, Composer, Open Source Advocate
.------- http://olofson.net - Games, SDL examples -------.
| http://zeespace.net - 2.5D rendering engine |
| http://audiality.org - Music/audio engine |
| http://eel.olofson.net - Real time scripting |
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6:47 p.m.
On Sat, 2007-12-01 at 23:04 +0100, David Olofson wrote:
On Saturday 01 December 2007, bradley newton haug
wrote:
"Algorithm" implies it's a software synth anyway. A softsynth running
in an FPGA or DSP is not a hardware synth. Well, not in my book anyway.
like most 'gut feelings' related to
anything audio the only real
answer lies in a pair of heaphones,a blondfold and an A/B box.
Solves all problems of perception.
...but that would require playing the *exact* same sounds on both
systems, which is pretty much where the very problem is here: The
hardware synths tend to use secret, proprietary algorithms. From a theoretical standpoint, there's no need for
an A/B test at all.
The hardware synths most people are talking about here *are*
computers running software synths. Same algorithm ==> same result.
(Assuming "algorithm" includes using or emulating the exact same data
types, obviously.)
Exactly.
And, if you find a softsynth inferior to some hardware
synth due to
resolution issues, recompiling it with 'double' sample and control
values would allow it to beat most hardware synths flat to the ground
in that department, I'd think. Or why not 'long double' while you're
at it. ;-)
It depends on the software involved. Great though Novation stuff is, it
aliases terribly (for instance). Nice filters though.
Gordon
7:22 p.m.
I think that I invoked some defense of software synths that wasn't my
intention. When I said a/b I had meant to point out that there is little
difference in sound other than the biased and guarded perceptions of the
owners/implementers. What is 'better' anyway? What is thicker? Cognitive
dissonance justifying your recent purchase?
if you've ever seen (or are) a professional audio engineer go up against
your garden variety nutjob 'audiophile' you know what I'm talking about.
.. or watched an engineering team argue over which tens of thousands of
dollar analog equipment 'must have' to use only to run it through an effects
box with radio shack converters in mastering.
equipment doesn't matter. the sound matters.
I'm working on my first album since my stint in Faith & Disease some 15
years ago and when it is finished I will defy anyone to tell me that linux
limited me in any way.
best
brad
8:11 p.m.
On Sunday 02 December 2007, bradley newton haug wrote:
I think that I invoked some defense of software synths
that wasn't
my intention.
Well, personally, I'm just concerned with the truth - what really is
better. (Not that I care much, though, as long as what I'm using is
sufficient for my purposes.)
Besides, I don't really see any relevant difference between hardware
synths and softsynths (unless you go into analog and hybrid designs),
so I don't really have a side to defend. I even have an FPGA
development board with a 24 bit CODEC on it lying around, that I
intend to play around with some time. :-)
When I said a/b I had meant to point out that there is
little
difference in sound other than the biased and guarded perceptions of
the owners/implementers.
Yeah, I figured, but it's hard to do in real life, unless you're just
comparing dry sample playback or similar.
What is 'better' anyway?
Whatever sounds most "right" for the job, I guess...
A modular synth with absolutely clean, mathematically correct output
would of course be the ideal; then you could just implement whatever
artifacts you may want explicitly - but realistically, trade-offs
will have to be made, for performance reasons. (Though the need for
that diminishes as we get access to more powerfull hardware.) In that
light, it depends entirely on what you're doing. Different sounds
mask different artifacts, so unless you have a single perfect tool,
you need to use the right tool for the job.
What is thicker?
Now, that is probably very subjective, but in general, it would be a
sound with more information in it. For example, some sounds are
improved by adding slightly detuned oscillators in large numbers.
(Well, most sounds, if you're into "organic" or analog/acoustic feel
sounds in general.)
Cognitive dissonance justifying your recent purchase?
Maybe, but to me, it's more like "What!? Audible distortion...? I
shouldn't get that from a machine this expensive!"
If I can't tell the difference, I can't tell the difference, and
that's that. Or, so I believe. :-D
if you've ever seen (or are) a professional audio
engineer go up
against your garden variety nutjob 'audiophile' you know what I'm
talking about.
.. or watched an engineering team argue over which tens of thousands
of dollar analog equipment 'must have' to use only to run it through
an effects box with radio shack converters in mastering.
:-D
equipment doesn't matter. the sound matters.
Indeed. And I believe the sound (good or bad) has more to do with the
operator than most are willing to admit.
I'm working on my first album since my stint in
Faith & Disease
some 15 years ago and when it is finished I will defy anyone to tell
me that linux limited me in any way.
Well, this is how I see it, somewhat simplified: There's a feedback
loop through the whole system, including your ears. If it sounds
perfect to you, that's as good as it gets, regardless of tools used.
If not, you have to work around the limitations of your tools, or use
different tools - or just decide that it's "good enough".
//David Olofson - Programmer, Composer, Open Source Advocate
.------- http://olofson.net - Games, SDL examples -------.
| http://zeespace.net - 2.5D rendering engine |
| http://audiality.org - Music/audio engine |
| http://eel.olofson.net - Real time scripting |
'-- http://www.reologica.se - Rheology instrumentation --'
10:38 p.m.
David Olofson wrote:
I recently discovered that the Yamaha PSR-740 has both a "Sine Wave"
voice and a "Thick Sine" voice. There is a big difference between the
two, yet you can tell that they're both using sine waves. So that's my
empirical experience of what is "thicker".
--
David
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
What is
thicker?
Now, that is probably very subjective, but in general, it would be a
sound with more information in it. For example, some sounds are
improved by adding slightly detuned oscillators in large numbers.
(Well, most sounds, if you're into "organic" or analog/acoustic feel
sounds in general.)
11 p.m.
On Sunday 02 December 2007, david wrote:
[...]
David Olofson wrote:
I recently discovered that the Yamaha PSR-740 has both a "Sine Wave"
voice and a "Thick Sine" voice. There is a big difference between
the two, yet you can tell that they're both using sine waves. So
that's my empirical experience of what is "thicker".
I'd guess one of them is pretty close to a perfect sine whereas the
other - obviously - is not.
Why not record and FFT them? If you can hear a difference in timbre,
the FFT spectrum should tell you why. If you can hit an FFT bin dead
center, you should get a single peak with a pure sine, and various
extra peaks with other waveforms.
//David Olofson - Programmer, Composer, Open Source Advocate
.------- http://olofson.net - Games, SDL examples -------.
| http://zeespace.net - 2.5D rendering engine |
| http://audiality.org - Music/audio engine |
| http://eel.olofson.net - Real time scripting |
'-- http://www.reologica.se - Rheology instrumentation --'
What is
thicker?
Now, that is probably very subjective, but in general, it would be
a sound with more information in it. For example, some sounds are
improved by adding slightly detuned oscillators in large numbers.
(Well, most sounds, if you're into "organic" or analog/acoustic
feel sounds in general.)
11:18 p.m.
David Olofson wrote:
On Sunday 02 December 2007, david wrote:
[...]
My guess is they're doing the same thing that Dr Moog did with his
synthesizers - use three detuned oscillators to produce waves that are a
bit spread along the frequency range. If I visualize a pure sine wave on
an oscilliscope, I think of it as a thin line cutting through the zero
line. I visualize a Moog sine wave as three lines cutting through the
zero line, each at slightly different times because each has a slightly
different frequency. (Of course, each of them is produced by analog
electronics, each may have it's own minor variations over time as it
produces the wave, so each doesn't have the rigid precision that waves
produced by digital formulas have.
David Olofson wrote:
I recently discovered that the Yamaha PSR-740 has both a
"Sine Wave"
voice and a "Thick Sine" voice. There is a big difference between
the two, yet you can tell that they're both using sine waves. So
that's my empirical experience of what is "thicker".
I'd guess one of them is pretty close to a perfect sine whereas the
other - obviously - is not. What is
thicker?
Now, that is probably very subjective, but in general, it would be
a sound with more information in it. For example, some sounds are
improved by adding slightly detuned oscillators in large numbers.
(Well, most sounds, if you're into "organic" or analog/acoustic
feel sounds in general.) Why not record and FFT them? If you can hear a
difference in timbre,
the FFT spectrum should tell you why. If you can hit an FFT bin dead
center, you should get a single peak with a pure sine, and various
extra peaks with other waveforms.
That would be a good idea. I'll have to try that with our sound guy this
Sunday - record a bit of the "Sine Wave" voice and a bit of the "Thick
Sine" voice and see what they look like. He normally converts tracks to
MP3 to share them, but I can have him keep them as WAV files for this.
Thanks.
--
David
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
7:27 p.m.
On Saturday 01 December 2007, Gordon JC Pearce wrote:
[...]
I didn't really intend it to be read that way. Maybe it's just too
obvious to me that it doesn't matter if you do it in parallel or in
series, as long as it's digital. :-)
Ouch. The first thing I look for when hacking my own oscillators is
distortion when playing pure sine waves all over the frequency range.
If that sounds crap, everything will sound... well, at least not as
clean as it should. If it's not too bad, it might be ok for some
sorts of sounds...
Anyway, I was assuming here that the algorithms would be identical
apart from the sample resolution - so the aliasing would be the same.
You'd just get more accurate aliasing with the long doubles. ;-)
//David Olofson - Programmer, Composer, Open Source Advocate
.------- http://olofson.net - Games, SDL examples -------.
| http://zeespace.net - 2.5D rendering engine |
| http://audiality.org - Music/audio engine |
| http://eel.olofson.net - Real time scripting |
'-- http://www.reologica.se - Rheology instrumentation --'
...but that
would require playing the *exact* same sounds on both
systems, which is pretty much where the very problem is here: The
hardware synths tend to use secret, proprietary algorithms.
"Algorithm" implies it's a software synth anyway. A softsynth running in an FPGA or DSP is not a
hardware synth.
Well, not in my book anyway.
Well, it depends... But anything you can do entirely inside an FPGA
*can* be implemented as "normal" software on a CPU. It man not be
terribly efficient (CPUs suck at truly parallel processing), but
we're concerned with the final results here, I think.
I'd say a true hardware synth is something that uses multiple variable
rate DAC and other semi-analog or analog stuff that you can't
replicate purely in the digital domain. The SID chip falls in that
category, for example. (Digital oscillators, analog mixer, analog
resonant filter, IIRC.) Didn't some early Ensoniq synths use a
similar approach? (Per-voice DACs, that is.)
[...]
And, if you
find a softsynth inferior to some hardware synth due
to resolution issues, recompiling it with 'double' sample and
control values would allow it to beat most hardware synths flat to
the ground in that department, I'd think. Or why not 'long double'
while you're at it. ;-)
It depends on the software involved. Great though Novation stuff
is, it aliases terribly (for instance). Nice filters though. 
2 Dec
2 Dec
1:13 p.m.
I create electronic music since 1983 and while I use a lot software
synths like Csound, PD, AMS and my own upcomming open source synth
'Minicomputer', I still love to use hardware based systems additionally
and still buy them. Its less about sound but more the workflow. I do
sometimes freelance jobs requiring me to stare at screens overtime and
after that I feel more the urge to grap my rather recent analogue
modular system, which is in my case a Doepfer.
Its not a problem with Linux either, I used to work with Windows and
Macs and workflow was not better.
This year I am about to finish the above mentioned synth which was all
about sound but 2008 I am thinking more about UI and workflow.
Computermouses gave me serious health problems (which I solved by using
graphic tablets) but it was never inspiring to create music with point
and click interfaces anyway. I will take a look at Akais MPC which still
bears the legacy of Roger Linn's Linndrum and his ideas of an ideal
sequencer. There is something about it, one reason might be dedicated
buttons for main functions, I dont know.
But even in the hardware world there are more and less accessible
machines. The samplers of EMU used to have an intuitive user interface
while the Yamaha TX16W sampler was practically unusable until there was
a third party OS. And DX7 was used mainly as preset machine because
programming was tiresome on it. It was solved by an dedicated third
party hardware controller (which was more expensive then the actual
synth) and software editors.
. The SID chip falls in that
category, for example. (Digital oscillators, analog mixer, analog
resonant filter, IIRC.) Didn't some early Ensoniq synths use a
similar approach? (Per-voice DACs, that is.)
No coincidence, the founders of Ensoniq were the designers of the SID.
About alternative controllers:
The P5 glove is incredible jumpy, I use it for live but I am not
convinced, maybe someone saw me at this years ICMC in Copenhagen. More
hopes I have with WII controller but had no time yet.
Cheers,
Malte
--
Malte Steiner
media art + development
-www.block4.com-
3:32 p.m.
On Sun, 2007-12-02 at 00:23 +0100, David Olofson wrote:
It's hard to notice. It's only because I spend *hours* listening to
single notes from digital oscillators sweeping up and down trying to
catch little bits of aliasing that I notice, to be entirely honest.
Gordon
I'd say a true hardware synth is something that
uses multiple variable
rate DAC and other semi-analog or analog stuff that you can't
replicate purely in the digital domain. The SID chip falls in that
category, for example. (Digital oscillators, analog mixer, analog
resonant filter, IIRC.) Didn't some early Ensoniq synths use a
similar approach? (Per-voice DACs, that is.)
Nope. In the DOC-based synths there was a single DAC for all control
voltages and the DOC built-in DAC for all audio channels. Anything with
a DOC chip (Mirage, ESQ and SQ range, and their sampled electric piano)
had real CEM analogue filters.
It depends on
the software involved. Great though Novation stuff
is, it aliases terribly (for instance). Nice filters though.
Ouch. The first thing I look for when hacking my own oscillators is
distortion when playing pure sine waves all over the frequency range.
If that sounds crap, everything will sound... well, at least not as
clean as it should. If it's not too bad, it might be ok for some
sorts of sounds...
11:53 a.m.
On Fri, 2007-11-30 at 18:50 -0500, lanas wrote:
Folks,
OK, Linux synths are great. And yes, if many ways they are.
Although recently I got a M-Audio Prokeys88 and I swear the Warmpad
sound in there does not have any equivalent in richness in what I've
heard so far in Linux soft synths.
You still haven't posted a sample of it.
If you do have an close-sounding Linux soft synth
sound, let me know,
I'd be very interested in hearing it.
I'm fairly sure I can produce something pretty close. How much CPU do you want to
burn?
Gordon
3 Dec
3 Dec
7:15 p.m.
Le Dimanche, 02 Décembre 2007 15:53:30 +0000,
Gordon JC Pearce <gordonjcp(a)gjcp.net> a écrit :
You still haven't posted a sample of it.
I've recorded a snippet on Friday, but am too lazy to find the pwd for
the Geocities site, which I rarely use. But I'll try to post it this
week. Then again, once posted, the Geocities page will pause connections
after a short number of downloads. I should get a decent, free, web
page. Somewhere.
> If you do have an close-sounding Linux soft
synth sound, let me
> know, I'd be very interested in hearing it.
I'm fairly sure I can produce something pretty
close. How much CPU
do you want to burn?
Well, I could stop beryl's water ripples. And I could stop converting a
DV to mpeg. Both while recording music. So that should leave some space
for a few good sounds. Maybe the sounds good even make good use of the
dual core 64 bit CPU and the 4 GB of RAM.
Cheers,
Al
7:20 p.m.
On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 18:12:26 -0500
lanas <lanas(a)securenet.net> wrote:
Le Dimanche, 02 Décembre 2007 15:53:30 +0000,
Gordon JC Pearce <gordonjcp(a)gjcp.net> a écrit :
Try box.net
--
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
You still haven't posted a sample of it.
I've recorded a snippet on Friday, but am too lazy to find the pwd for
the Geocities site, which I rarely use. But I'll try to post it this
week. Then again, once posted, the Geocities page will pause connections
after a short number of downloads. I should get a decent, free, web
page. Somewhere.
> If you do have an close-sounding Linux soft
synth sound, let me
> know, I'd be very interested in hearing it.
I'm fairly sure I can produce something
pretty close. How much CPU
do you want to burn?
Well, I could stop beryl's water ripples. And I could stop converting a
DV to mpeg. Both while recording music. So that should leave some space
for a few good sounds. Maybe the sounds good even make good use of the
dual core 64 bit CPU and the 4 GB of RAM.
Cheers,
Al
8:22 p.m.
Le Lundi, 3 Décembre 2007 23:20:23 +0000,
Folderol <folderol(a)ukfsn.org> a écrit :
lanas <lanas(a)securenet.net> wrote:
> I've recorded a snippet on Friday, but am too
lazy to find the pwd
> for the Geocities site, which I rarely use. But I'll try to post
> it this week. Then again, once posted, the Geocities page will
> pause connections after a short number of downloads. I should get
> a decent, free, web page. Somewhere.
Try box.net
There are free web hosting sites around, but I've never went to
actually look at them. Guess I'll do that this week.
Al
4 Dec
4 Dec
2:43 a.m.
lanas wrote:
Le Lundi, 3 Décembre 2007 23:20:23 +0000,
Folderol <folderol(a)ukfsn.org> a écrit :
I always recommend MJZ hosting. It's not free necessarily, but quite
cheap. http://www.mjzhosting.net/main.php I guess they're doing
invites now, i can send some out if people need...
lanas <lanas(a)securenet.net> wrote:
> I've recorded a snippet on Friday, but am
too lazy to find the pwd
> for the Geocities site, which I rarely use. But I'll try to post
> it this week. Then again, once posted, the Geocities page will
> pause connections after a short number of downloads. I should get
> a decent, free, web page. Somewhere.
>
Try box.net
There are free web hosting sites around, but I've never went to
actually look at them. Guess I'll do that this week.
Al
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4:13 a.m.
lanas wrote:
I've recorded a snippet on Friday, but am too lazy
to find the pwd for
the Geocities site, which I rarely use.
Ok.
--
peace, love & harmony
Atte
http://atte.dk | http://myspace.com/attejensen
http://anagrammer.dk | http://modlys.dk
7:21 a.m.
On Monday 03 December 2007 23:12:26 lanas wrote:
Le Dimanche, 02 Décembre 2007 15:53:30 +0000,
Gordon JC Pearce <gordonjcp(a)gjcp.net> a écrit :
Mail it to me, and I can stick it up somewhere. Unless it's huge.
Gordon
You still haven't posted a sample of it.
I've recorded a snippet on Friday, but am too lazy to find the pwd for
the Geocities site, which I rarely use. But I'll try to post it this
week. Then again, once posted, the Geocities page will pause connections
after a short number of downloads. I should get a decent, free, web
page. Somewhere.
1:26 p.m.
> Le Dimanche, 02 Décembre 2007 15:53:30 +0000,
> Gordon JC Pearce <gordonjcp(a)gjcp.net> a écrit :
> > You still haven't posted a sample of it.
That particular patch (that Ianas finds so rich) can be heard here:
http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/ProKeys88-main.html
demo patch number 12.
To me it sounds like strings samples with slow attack through
chorus+reverb and a bit of low pass filtering.
So I think that all the talk about swsynths vs. hwsynths is irrelevant
as this particular instrument seems to be sample-based. I guess it
could very easily be achieved with fluidsynth (loaded with a decent
soundfont) and optionally jack-rack with a couple of LADSPA plugins.
I really don't see what the fuss is all about.
Cheers.
./MiS
2:14 p.m.
agreed, though the conversation itself was useful, the prokeys88 is hardly a
decent example. I hadn't heard about it until this thread and this morning
I saw one on display at guitar center. The keys were mush and it sounded
like any typical 'softsynth wrapped by some plastic'.
-brad
On Dec 4, 2007 9:26 AM, Michal Seta <mis(a)artengine.ca> wrote:
> Le
Dimanche, 02 Décembre 2007 15:53:30 +0000,
> Gordon JC Pearce <gordonjcp(a)gjcp.net> a écrit :
> > You still haven't posted a sample of it.
That particular patch (that Ianas finds so rich) can be heard here:
http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/ProKeys88-main.html
demo patch number 12.
To me it sounds like strings samples with slow attack through
chorus+reverb and a bit of low pass filtering.
So I think that all the talk about swsynths vs. hwsynths is irrelevant
as this particular instrument seems to be sample-based. I guess it
could very easily be achieved with fluidsynth (loaded with a decent
soundfont) and optionally jack-rack with a couple of LADSPA plugins.
I really don't see what the fuss is all about.
Cheers.
./MiS
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3:21 p.m.
On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 12:26:18 -0500
"Michal Seta" <mis(a)artengine.ca> wrote:
Where are these demos? I couldn't find them :(
--
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> Le
Dimanche, 02 Décembre 2007 15:53:30 +0000,
> Gordon JC Pearce <gordonjcp(a)gjcp.net> a écrit :
> > You still haven't posted a sample of it.
That particular patch (that Ianas finds so rich) can be heard here:
http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/ProKeys88-main.html
demo patch number 12.
To me it sounds like strings samples with slow attack through
chorus+reverb and a bit of low pass filtering.
So I think that all the talk about swsynths vs. hwsynths is irrelevant
as this particular instrument seems to be sample-based. I guess it
could very easily be achieved with fluidsynth (loaded with a decent
soundfont) and optionally jack-rack with a couple of LADSPA plugins.
I really don't see what the fuss is all about.
Cheers.
4:40 p.m.
On Tuesday 04 December 2007, Folderol wrote:
[...]
Where are these demos? I couldn't find them :(
Seems like you need Flash to get at them.
(Gnash/AMD64 runs the applet, but it doesn't seem to work properly.
Can't, or rather, won't run Flash here, as 32 bit applications
somehow manage to freeze my 64 bit system sooner or later, for
unknown reasons. Tried a bunch of different kernels, drivers and even
a few other distros using LiveCDs, but it appears to be a hardware
problem in this particular machine. The machine is rock solid when
using pure 32 bit or pure 64 bit OSes, but mixing is unstable...)
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4:41 p.m.
Here are the direct link to the samples.
Grand Piano
http://www.m-audio.com/images/global/demos/prokeys88/Grand_Piano_Demo.mp3
Piano 2
http://www.m-audio.com/images/global/demos/prokeys88/Piano_2_Demo.mp3
E. Piano 1
http://www.m-audio.com/images/global/demos/prokeys88/Rhodes_Demo.mp3
E. Piano 2
http://www.m-audio.com/images/global/demos/prokeys88/Wurly_Demo.mp3
FM Piano 1
http://www.m-audio.com/images/global/demos/prokeys88/FM_E_Piano_1_Demo.mp3
FM Piano 2
http://www.m-audio.com/images/global/demos/prokeys88/FM_E_Piano_2_Demo.mp3
Clav http://www.m-audio.com/images/global/demos/prokeys88/Clav_Demo.mp3
Vibes
http://www.m-audio.com/images/global/demos/prokeys88/Vibes_Demo.mp3
Organ 1
http://www.m-audio.com/images/global/demos/prokeys88/Perc_Organ_Demo.mp3
Organ 2
http://www.m-audio.com/images/global/demos/prokeys88/Vib_Organ_Demo.mp3
Strings
http://www.m-audio.com/images/global/demos/prokeys88/String_Demo.mp3
Warm Pad
http://www.m-audio.com/images/global/demos/prokeys88/Pad_Demo.mp3
A. Bass
http://www.m-audio.com/images/global/demos/prokeys88/A_Bass_Demo.mp3
E. Bass
http://www.m-audio.com/images/global/demos/prokeys88/E_Bass_Demo.mp3
On Tue, 2007-12-04 at 19:21 +0000, Folderol wrote:
On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 12:26:18 -0500
"Michal Seta" <mis(a)artengine.ca> wrote:
Where are these demos? I couldn't find them :(
--
My Website:
http://eckz.zapto.org/eckz/
> Le
Dimanche, 02 Décembre 2007 15:53:30 +0000,
> Gordon JC Pearce <gordonjcp(a)gjcp.net> a écrit :
> > You still haven't posted a sample of it.
That particular patch (that Ianas finds so rich) can be heard here:
http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/ProKeys88-main.html
demo patch number 12.
To me it sounds like strings samples with slow attack through
chorus+reverb and a bit of low pass filtering.
So I think that all the talk about swsynths vs. hwsynths is irrelevant
as this particular instrument seems to be sample-based. I guess it
could very easily be achieved with fluidsynth (loaded with a decent
soundfont) and optionally jack-rack with a couple of LADSPA plugins.
I really don't see what the fuss is all about.
Cheers.
6:28 p.m.
Thanks for the list. I went to the page originally listed, and what it
did was hang Firefox with the "waiting for www.m-audio.com" message ...
Then I installed Flash 9 player and went to the site again, and it hung
Firefox again.
Not what I consider a friendly site.
Miguel M wrote:
Here are the direct link to the samples.
[snipped]
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7:17 p.m.
On Tue, 04 Dec 2007 12:31:22 -0800
Miguel M <therevoltingx(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Here are the direct link to the samples.
Grand Piano
http://www.m-audio.com/images/global/demos/prokeys88/Grand_Piano_Demo.mp3
Piano 2
http://www.m-audio.com/images/global/demos/prokeys88/Piano_2_Demo.mp3
E. Piano 1
http://www.m-audio.com/images/global/demos/prokeys88/Rhodes_Demo.mp3
E. Piano 2
http://www.m-audio.com/images/global/demos/prokeys88/Wurly_Demo.mp3
FM Piano 1
http://www.m-audio.com/images/global/demos/prokeys88/FM_E_Piano_1_Demo.mp3
FM Piano 2
http://www.m-audio.com/images/global/demos/prokeys88/FM_E_Piano_2_Demo.mp3
Clav http://www.m-audio.com/images/global/demos/prokeys88/Clav_Demo.mp3
Vibes
http://www.m-audio.com/images/global/demos/prokeys88/Vibes_Demo.mp3
Organ 1
http://www.m-audio.com/images/global/demos/prokeys88/Perc_Organ_Demo.mp3
Organ 2
http://www.m-audio.com/images/global/demos/prokeys88/Vib_Organ_Demo.mp3
Strings
http://www.m-audio.com/images/global/demos/prokeys88/String_Demo.mp3
Warm Pad
http://www.m-audio.com/images/global/demos/prokeys88/Pad_Demo.mp3
A. Bass
http://www.m-audio.com/images/global/demos/prokeys88/A_Bass_Demo.mp3
E. Bass
http://www.m-audio.com/images/global/demos/prokeys88/E_Bass_Demo.mp3
On Tue, 2007-12-04 at 19:21 +0000, Folderol wrote:
> On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 12:26:18 -0500
> "Michal Seta" <mis(a)artengine.ca> wrote:
>
> > > > Le Dimanche, 02 Décembre 2007 15:53:30 +0000,
> > > > Gordon JC Pearce <gordonjcp(a)gjcp.net> a écrit :
> > > > > You still haven't posted a sample of it.
> >
> > That particular patch (that Ianas finds so rich) can be heard here:
> > http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/ProKeys88-main.html
> >
> > demo patch number 12.
> >
> > To me it sounds like strings samples with slow attack through
> > chorus+reverb and a bit of low pass filtering.
> > So I think that all the talk about swsynths vs. hwsynths is irrelevant
> > as this particular instrument seems to be sample-based. I guess it
> > could very easily be achieved with fluidsynth (loaded with a decent
> > soundfont) and optionally jack-rack with a couple of LADSPA plugins.
> >
> > I really don't see what the fuss is all about.
> >
> > Cheers.
>
> Where are these demos? I couldn't find them :(
>
Thanks a lot for these.
This is a nice pad, but I don't think it is exceptional.
Here are links to a short demo I just made with ZynAddSubFX and a
couple of my own voice patches for comparision.
http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Demo.mp3
http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Demo.ogg
--
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
5 Dec
5 Dec
9:14 a.m.
On Tuesday 04 December 2007 23:17:08 Folderol wrote:
This is a nice pad, but I don't think it is
exceptional.
Here are links to a short demo I just made with ZynAddSubFX and a
couple of my own voice patches for comparision.
http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Demo.mp3
http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Demo.ogg
(I posted this last night, but it seems to have vanished)
I wrote a nice (well, I think it's nice) string ensemble plugin for DSSI
From http://www.nekosynth.co.uk/
nekostring with a bit of phasing and reverb, while thinking of Portishead a
bit:
http://trac.nekosynth.co.uk/demos/stringpad.mp3
http://trac.nekosynth.co.uk/demos/stringpad.ogg
nekostring with deep resonant phasing, masses of reverb and thinking of Doctor
Who incidental music:
http://trac.nekosynth.co.uk/demos/stringbass.mp3
http://trac.nekosynth.co.uk/demos/stringbass.ogg
and finally, a little demo off nekostring, nekobee and some 808 drums off
fluidsynth-dssi - and the LADSPA vocoder:
http://www.gjcp.net/kelly.mp3
Gordon
3:38 p.m.
On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 13:14:06 +0000
Gordon JC Pearce <gordonjcp(a)gjcp.net> wrote:
On Tuesday 04 December 2007 23:17:08 Folderol wrote:
I did wonder why you'd sent me a personal e-mail :)
This is a nice pad, but I don't think it is
exceptional.
Here are links to a short demo I just made with ZynAddSubFX and a
couple of my own voice patches for comparision.
http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Demo.mp3
http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Demo.ogg
(I posted this last night, but it seems to have vanished) I wrote a nice (well, I think it's nice) string
ensemble plugin for DSSI
From http://www.nekosynth.co.uk/
nekostring with a bit of phasing and reverb, while thinking of Portishead a
bit:
http://trac.nekosynth.co.uk/demos/stringpad.mp3
http://trac.nekosynth.co.uk/demos/stringpad.ogg
nekostring with deep resonant phasing, masses of reverb and thinking of Doctor
Who incidental music:
http://trac.nekosynth.co.uk/demos/stringbass.mp3
http://trac.nekosynth.co.uk/demos/stringbass.ogg
and finally, a little demo off nekostring, nekobee and some 808 drums off
fluidsynth-dssi - and the LADSPA vocoder:
http://www.gjcp.net/kelly.mp3
Gordon
Quite a nice collection, especially kelly.
--
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
6 Dec
6 Dec
12:39 a.m.
On Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 01:14:06PM +0000, Gordon JC Pearce wrote:
nekostring with deep resonant phasing, masses of reverb and thinking of Doctor
Who incidental music:
http://trac.nekosynth.co.uk/demos/stringbass.mp3
http://trac.nekosynth.co.uk/demos/stringbass.ogg
Is that the LADSPA phaser? It's an amazing phaser I use a lot.
and finally, a little demo off nekostring, nekobee and some 808 drums off
fluidsynth-dssi - and the LADSPA vocoder:
http://www.gjcp.net/kelly.mp3
Great little cover!
-ken
4 Dec
4 Dec
10:13 p.m.
On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 12:26:18PM -0500, Michal Seta wrote:
Sampling is a great time-saver for getting "great" sounds. Why generate them
when you can lift them instead?
That string patch sounds a bit like it might be their attempt at the legendary Yamaha GX-1
string sound (i.e. "Village Ghetto Land" by Stevie Wonder). Who knows, it might
even be a sample of it.
For live use, if I can find the money I'll buy one of those fanless nano-ATX or
micro-ATX mobo's, put it in a box with a couple knobs and buttons and maybe that 2x64
LCD I have sitting around in the garage, and set it up at boot time to run a couple
fluidsynth instances with the sounds I use most often on it, and there's my
"hardware" synth. Thus I won't have to bring my laptop to gigs and sweat
over where to place it, how to keep it safe from getting knocked over or drinks spilled on
it, how to get the hell off the stage faster to let the next band go on, etc.
-ken
> Le
Dimanche, 02 Décembre 2007 15:53:30 +0000,
> Gordon JC Pearce <gordonjcp(a)gjcp.net> a écrit :
> > You still haven't posted a sample of it.
That particular patch (that Ianas finds so rich) can be heard here:
http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/ProKeys88-main.html
demo patch number 12.
To me it sounds like strings samples with slow attack through
chorus+reverb and a bit of low pass filtering.
So I think that all the talk about swsynths vs. hwsynths is irrelevant
as this particular instrument seems to be sample-based. I guess it
could very easily be achieved with fluidsynth (loaded with a decent
soundfont) and optionally jack-rack with a couple of LADSPA plugins.
I really don't see what the fuss is all about.
10:43 p.m.
On Wednesday 05 December 2007, Ken Restivo wrote:
[...]
For live use, if I can find the money I'll buy one
of those fanless
nano-ATX or micro-ATX mobo's,
[...]
Be warned though; those VIA Cx and AMD Geode CPUs found on most
fan-less boards aren't anything like workstation CPUs. Incredible
power *per Watt* - but you'd need to run one at several GHz to get
anywhere near the slowest Socket 775 Celeron you can find.
Don't know how they handle FPU intensive work, but I'd suspect it's
even worse. Has anyone tested that?
//David Olofson - Programmer, Composer, Open Source Advocate
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| http://zeespace.net - 2.5D rendering engine |
| http://audiality.org - Music/audio engine |
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'-- http://www.reologica.se - Rheology instrumentation --'
10:53 p.m.
Yeah I wouldn't use a fanless cpu, not nearly enough CPU power.
Heck when I play live sessions I just bring my entire custom built linux
PC which I then control through FreeNX on my laptop.
I use it exclusively as synth/rythm machine/midi sequencer. I don't see
the point for a hardware synth. Seems like a waste of money to me.
I'd rather spend some money on some cool midi controller pads or
something.
On Wed, 2007-12-05 at 03:39 +0100, David Olofson wrote:
On Wednesday 05 December 2007, Ken Restivo wrote:
[...]
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My Website:
http://eckz.zapto.org/eckz/
For live use, if I can find the money I'll
buy one of those fanless
nano-ATX or micro-ATX mobo's,
[...]
Be warned though; those VIA Cx and AMD Geode CPUs found on most
fan-less boards aren't anything like workstation CPUs. Incredible
power *per Watt* - but you'd need to run one at several GHz to get
anywhere near the slowest Socket 775 Celeron you can find.
Don't know how they handle FPU intensive work, but I'd suspect it's
even worse. Has anyone tested that?
//David Olofson - Programmer, Composer, Open Source Advocate
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| http://zeespace.net - 2.5D rendering engine |
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11:03 p.m.
On Tuesday 04 December 2007 21:43, Miguel M wrote:
Yeah I wouldn't use a fanless cpu, not nearly
enough CPU power.
Oops, I totally missed the "fanless" qualifier in David's post. Yeah,
most of those are Via, but I still find it hard to believe that
they'd be incapable of what I was doing on a P100 a decade ago.
Rob
11 p.m.
On Tuesday 04 December 2007 21:39, David Olofson wrote:
Be warned though; those VIA Cx and AMD Geode CPUs
found on most
fan-less boards aren't anything like workstation CPUs. Incredible
power *per Watt* - but you'd need to run one at several GHz to get
anywhere near the slowest Socket 775 Celeron you can find.
I was running the Vaz analog synth simulator and some Yamaha or Roland
software GM synth on a Pentium 100 almost a decade ago. The Via and
Geode chips are pretty weak, and I'm sure Jack and various Linux
background tasks add some overhead, but is Fluidsynth really that
much more CPU-intensive?
And for what it's worth, you can get micro-ATX boards that take
Celerons and Athlons. I'd stay away from that Via stuff myself if I
were doing anything other than a web surfing terminal.
Rob
5 Dec
5 Dec
4:07 a.m.
On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 10:00:08PM -0500, Rob wrote:
On Tuesday 04 December 2007 21:39, David Olofson
wrote:
Hell, I was recording and mixing 6 tracks of audio on a 75Mhz PowerPC Mac 10 years ago.
Be warned though; those VIA Cx and AMD Geode CPUs
found on most
fan-less boards aren't anything like workstation CPUs. Incredible
power *per Watt* - but you'd need to run one at several GHz to get
anywhere near the slowest Socket 775 Celeron you can find.
I was running the Vaz analog synth simulator and some Yamaha or Roland
software GM synth on a Pentium 100 almost a decade ago. The Via and Geode chips are pretty weak, and I'm sure Jack and
various Linux
background tasks add some overhead, but is Fluidsynth really that
much more CPU-intensive?
If I went that route-- a headless, fanless "box" synth running Linux-- it'd
be all samples and a couple LADSPA effects, no synthesis. Just fluidsynth and a 2GB SD
"drive", really.
And for what it's worth, you can get micro-ATX
boards that take
Celerons and Athlons. I'd stay away from that Via stuff myself if I
were doing anything other than a web surfing terminal.
I'd guess that anything capable of DVD and MP4 video recording and playback would be
plenty good for Linux Audio. In other words, if it can run MythTV, why couldn't it run
64studio instead?
-ken
4:17 a.m.
On Wednesday 05 December 2007, Ken Restivo wrote:
[...]
Those boards usually have rather serious special hardware particularly
for that purpose, specifically because the CPUs aren't fast enough.
The 1.5+ GHz versions still have that, though they *might* actually
get away without it in theory; don't know... I have one of those
here, but I haven't tried to do any serious DSP or anything on it.
(It's the "integrated dashboard computer" for my sports/race car -
not a multimedia machine. :-)
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'-- http://www.reologica.se - Rheology instrumentation --'
And for what
it's worth, you can get micro-ATX boards that take
Celerons and Athlons. I'd stay away from that Via stuff myself if
I were doing anything other than a web surfing terminal.
I'd guess that anything capable of DVD and MP4 video recording and
playback would be plenty good for Linux Audio. In other words, if it
can run MythTV, why couldn't it run 64studio instead?
4:08 a.m.
On Wednesday 05 December 2007, Rob wrote:
On Tuesday 04 December 2007 21:39, David Olofson
wrote:
Sure, but those things were probably designed and tuned for such CPUs,
whereas modern softsynths in general, are designed and tuned for
P-III and better.
It's possible to get pretty decent sound out of "simple" integer DSP
code, but it's hard work and doesn't scale well. You often have to
decide whether you want to resolution or speed - and that's before
even considering algorithm variants, such as different interpolation
methods, oversampling etc. In short, more work for much less - so if
you can get away with floating point (which you can on anything like
a P-II or better), integer doesn't make sense.
Be warned though; those VIA Cx and AMD Geode CPUs
found on most
fan-less boards aren't anything like workstation CPUs. Incredible
power *per Watt* - but you'd need to run one at several GHz to get
anywhere near the slowest Socket 775 Celeron you can find.
I was running the Vaz analog synth simulator and some Yamaha or
Roland software GM synth on a Pentium 100 almost a decade ago. The Via and Geode chips are pretty weak, and I'm
sure Jack and
various Linux background tasks add some overhead, but is Fluidsynth
really that much more CPU-intensive?
It shouldn't have to be, theoretically, but if it relies on the FPU,
it could still be a lot slower than an integer based synth on such
CPUs.
And for what it's worth, you can get micro-ATX
boards that take
Celerons and Athlons. I'd stay away from that Via stuff myself if I
were doing anything other than a web surfing terminal.
Yeah, and Mini-ITX boards for multicore CPUs are showing up now.
We're using Mini-ITX boards with 2+ GHz "P4" Celeron CPUs in lab
instruments. Compared to the usual industrial SBCs, they're lower
cost, many times faster and include more "might come in handy"
integrated hardware. More power than we really need, theoretically -
but it's easier to code in EEL (real time scripting language) than C
or C++, so you won't hear me complaining! ;-)
//David Olofson - Programmer, Composer, Open Source Advocate
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| http://zeespace.net - 2.5D rendering engine |
| http://audiality.org - Music/audio engine |
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4 Dec
4 Dec
11:40 p.m.
Le Mardi, 4 Décembre 2007 12:26:18 -0500,
"Michal Seta" <mis(a)artengine.ca> a écrit :
That particular patch (that Ianas finds so rich) can
be heard here:
http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/ProKeys88-main.html
demo patch number 12.
To me it sounds like strings samples with slow attack through
chorus+reverb and a bit of low pass filtering.
So I think that all the talk about swsynths vs. hwsynths is irrelevant
as this particular instrument seems to be sample-based. I guess it
could very easily be achieved with fluidsynth (loaded with a decent
soundfont) and optionally jack-rack with a couple of LADSPA plugins.
I really don't see what the fuss is all about.
Of course, the evaluation of a sound has to do with its context. The
demo (same as on the keyboard itself) is not very good as far as you
cannot hear much silence, so to speak. Not that the sound is bad. But
if you blow through a trumpet as in a fanfare, there are much less
chances for you to experience the full range of the instrument. The
snippet I've recorded gives a mellower chance to the sound.
Could it be that any cheap sound, if played dynamically enough, will
sound good ?
As for the hardware synth, obviously, the ProKeys88 is not a V-Synth or
an Oberheim Xpander. It is a soft synth and as such its sound are
candiates to be replicated on a PC, given enough motivation to do so,
obviously. As it stands now, I did not come across such a rich sound
in the Linux world (am not using Windows) yet.
Could it be that a sound can be evaluated simply by sustaining for some
moments single notes here and there on the keyboard instead of playing
anything that resembles a song ?
Cheers.
5 Dec
5 Dec
6:23 p.m.
New subject: Hardware synths (This is the snippet)
Le Dimanche, 02 Décembre 2007 15:53:30 +0000,
Gordon JC Pearce <gordonjcp(a)gjcp.net> a écrit :
You still haven't posted a sample of it.
I've now put it on geocities:
http://www.geocities.com/alf32967/
Note that it takes not too many downloads for geocities to pause
downloads for an hour or so.
The main difference between this snippet and the M-Audio demo, is that
this one allows, I think, for more sound expression because it is laid
back.
6:40 p.m.
New subject: Hardware synths (This is the snippet)
lanas wrote:
Le Dimanche, 02 Décembre 2007 15:53:30 +0000,
Gordon JC Pearce <gordonjcp(a)gjcp.net> a écrit :
Like right now:
"Sorry, this GeoCities site is currently unavailable.
The GeoCities web site you were trying to view has temporarily exceeded
its data transfer limit. Please try again later."
--
David
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
You still haven't posted a sample of it.
I've now put it on geocities:
http://www.geocities.com/alf32967/
Note that it takes not too many downloads for geocities to pause
downloads for an hour or so.
6:59 p.m.
New subject: Hardware synths (This is the snippet)
Le Mercredi, 05 Décembre 2007 12:40:38 -1000,
david <gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> a écrit :
> Note that it takes not too many downloads for
geocities to pause
> downloads for an hour or so.
Like right now:
"Sorry, this GeoCities site is currently
unavailable.
The GeoCities web site you were trying to view has
temporarily
exceeded its data transfer limit. Please try again later."
I should, I shall, find a real free hosting site.
Cheers.
7:27 p.m.
New subject: Hardware synths (This is the snippet)
If anyone needs some samples hosted I'd be more than happy to host them
on my server.
Before I had a server though, (well before I worked at a tech company) I
used freewebs.com without any problems.
On Wed, 2007-12-05 at 17:56 -0500, lanas wrote:
Le Mercredi, 05 Décembre 2007 12:40:38 -1000,
david <gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> a écrit :
--
My Website:
http://eckz.zapto.org/eckz/
> Note that it takes not too many downloads for
geocities to pause
> downloads for an hour or so.
Like right now:
"Sorry, this GeoCities site is currently
unavailable.
The GeoCities web site you were trying to view
has temporarily
exceeded its data transfer limit. Please try again later."
I should, I shall, find a real free hosting site.
Cheers.
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7:34 p.m.
New subject: Hardware synths (This is the snippet)
david wrote:
Like right now:
"Sorry, this GeoCities site is currently unavailable.
I've mirrored it here:
http://www.mega-nerd.com/tmp/p88warmpadTest.mp3
I'll keep it up for at least a week.
Erik
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8:03 p.m.
New subject: Hardware synths (This is the snippet)
Le Jeudi, 6 Décembre 2007 10:33:56 +1100,
Erik de Castro Lopo <mle+la(a)mega-nerd.com> a écrit :
I've mirrored it here:
http://www.mega-nerd.com/tmp/p88warmpadTest.mp3
Sheesh. If I knew it would be like that I'd have made it more
interesting to listen to ! ;-)
Cheers.
6 Dec
6 Dec
3:11 a.m.
New subject: Hardware synths (This is the snippet)
On Wednesday 05 December 2007 17:00:27 lanas wrote:
Le Jeudi, 6 Décembre 2007 10:33:56 +1100,
Erik de Castro Lopo <mle+la(a)mega-nerd.com> a écrit :
---------------->clipped<-------------------
I enjoyed what I heard.
Tom
I've mirrored it here:
http://www.mega-nerd.com/tmp/p88warmpadTest.mp3
Sheesh. If I knew it would be like that I'd have made it more
interesting to listen to ! ;-)
12:42 a.m.
New subject: Hardware synths (This is the snippet)
On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 10:33:56AM +1100, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote:
david wrote:
Wow, that resonant note that seems to emerge out of the high notes, is really sweet.
-ken
Like right now:
"Sorry, this GeoCities site is currently unavailable.
I've mirrored it here:
http://www.mega-nerd.com/tmp/p88warmpadTest.mp3
I'll keep it up for at least a week.
5:12 p.m.
New subject: Hardware synths (This is the snippet)
On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 20:42:35 -0800
Ken Restivo <ken(a)restivo.org> wrote:
On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 10:33:56AM +1100, Erik de
Castro Lopo wrote:
Well all these samples and trial bits has sparked an idea.
Demo is now about a minute long :)
http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Demo.mp3
http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Demo.ogg
I don't yet know where I'll go with it, or what I'll call it, but I
think it has promise.
--
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
david wrote:
Wow, that resonant note that seems to emerge out of the high notes, is really sweet.
-ken Like right now:
"Sorry, this GeoCities site is currently unavailable.
I've mirrored it here:
http://www.mega-nerd.com/tmp/p88warmpadTest.mp3
I'll keep it up for at least a week.
9:34 p.m.
New subject: Hardware synths (This is the snippet)
Folderol wrote:
On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 20:42:35 -0800
Ken Restivo <ken(a)restivo.org> wrote:
Seriously- that's very nice. I want that sound. Where can I get it as a
soundfont?
On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 10:33:56AM +1100, Erik de
Castro Lopo wrote:
Well all these samples and trial bits has sparked an idea.
Demo is now about a minute long :)
http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Demo.mp3
http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Demo.ogg
I don't yet know where I'll go with it, or what I'll call it, but I
think it has promise. david wrote:
Wow, that resonant note that seems to emerge out of the high notes, is really
sweet.
-ken Like right now:
"Sorry, this GeoCities site is currently unavailable.
I've mirrored it
here:
http://www.mega-nerd.com/tmp/p88warmpadTest.mp3
I'll keep it up for at least a week.
7 Dec
7 Dec
6:06 p.m.
New subject: Hardware synths (This is the snippet)
On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 01:31:32 +0000
Simon Williams <simon(a)systemparadox.co.uk> wrote:
Folderol wrote:
I didn't use soundfonts for this, just two voice patches from
ZynAddSubFX.
Zyn. Is available on most distros or you can get it from
http://zynaddsubfx.sourceforge.net/
I've attached the patches to this posting.
--
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 20:42:35 -0800
Ken Restivo <ken(a)restivo.org> wrote:
Seriously- that's very nice. I want that sound. Where can I get it as a
soundfont? On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 10:33:56AM +1100, Erik de
Castro Lopo wrote:
Well all these samples and trial bits has sparked an idea.
Demo is now about a minute long :)
http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Demo.mp3
http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Demo.ogg
I don't yet know where I'll go with it, or what I'll call it, but I
think it has promise. david wrote:
> Like right now:
>
> "Sorry, this GeoCities site is currently unavailable.
I've mirrored it here:
http://www.mega-nerd.com/tmp/p88warmpadTest.mp3
I'll keep it up for at least a week.
Wow, that resonant note that seems to emerge out of the high notes, is really
sweet.
-ken
6 Dec
6 Dec
11:31 p.m.
New subject: Hardware synths (This is the snippet)
On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 09:12:06PM +0000, Folderol wrote:
On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 20:42:35 -0800
Ken Restivo <ken(a)restivo.org> wrote:
Beautiful!
I am hearing some kind of a kicking breakbeat behind that! Is it played to a click track?
If so, what's the tempo?
If you wouldn't mind me desecrating it in that way, then I'd love it if you could
license it BY-SA and post it to the Linux Audio Collaboration project site.
http://lau-cb.peterlutek.com/readme.html
-ken
On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 10:33:56AM +1100, Erik de
Castro Lopo wrote:
Well all these samples and trial bits has sparked an idea.
Demo is now about a minute long :)
http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Demo.mp3
http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Demo.ogg
I don't yet know where I'll go with it, or what I'll call it, but I
think it has promise. david wrote:
Wow, that resonant note that seems to emerge out of the high notes, is really sweet.
-ken Like right now:
"Sorry, this GeoCities site is currently unavailable.
I've mirrored it here:
http://www.mega-nerd.com/tmp/p88warmpadTest.mp3
I'll keep it up for at least a week.
7 Dec
7 Dec
6:14 p.m.
New subject: Hardware synths (This is the snippet)
On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 19:30:47 -0800
Ken Restivo <ken(a)restivo.org> wrote:
On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 09:12:06PM +0000, Folderol
wrote:
Thank you :)
On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 20:42:35 -0800
Ken Restivo <ken(a)restivo.org> wrote:
Beautiful! On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 10:33:56AM +1100, Erik de
Castro Lopo wrote:
Well all these samples and trial bits has sparked an idea.
Demo is now about a minute long :)
http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Demo.mp3
http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Demo.ogg
I don't yet know where I'll go with it, or what I'll call it, but I
think it has promise. david wrote:
> Like right now:
>
> "Sorry, this GeoCities site is currently unavailable.
I've mirrored it here:
http://www.mega-nerd.com/tmp/p88warmpadTest.mp3
I'll keep it up for at least a week.
Wow, that resonant note that seems to emerge out of the high notes, is really sweet.
-ken I am hearing some kind of a kicking breakbeat behind
that! Is it played to a click track? If so, what's the tempo?
Tempo is 120bpm. Time sig. is 4/4 and each phrase spreads across 4 bars.
If you wouldn't mind me desecrating it in that
way, then I'd love it if you could license it BY-SA and post it to the Linux Audio
Collaboration project site.
http://lau-cb.peterlutek.com/readme.html
-ken
All my work is BY-SA. Sometimes I add NC to stuff I especially want to
protect, but not to a part finished clip like this.
So far I've extended it to 2 minutes, but haven't put that version up
yet as I not quite happy with one of the later progressions.
I'm happy for anyone to develop on top of this, but am reluctant to put
it up on the collaboration site, for fear of diluting the site - there
already seem to be several 'starts' that don't seem to have much being
added to them :(
--
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
6:56 p.m.
New subject: Hardware synths (This is the snippet)
On Friday 07 December 2007 17:14:12 Folderol wrote:
On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 19:30:47 -0800
Ken Restivo <ken(a)restivo.org> wrote:
Something to consider:
In "The Cathedral and the Bazaar" Eric Raymond puts forward the notion
of "Release Early, Release Often"
http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/cathedral-bazaar/cathedral-bazaar/ar01s04…
Now, I see a lot of artists seemingly afraid of this and even advice not to
let the world see things before they are polished.
I wonder if that advice might have been OK for the "all rights reserved" way
of doing things but that we may gain from a release early, release often way
of working in the world of art if we are working with Free licenses.
I know it can be intimidating to let people see draft quality work, but aren't
artists supposed to be risk takers? (I know because I put out daily progress
when I do NaNoWriMo and if anything is likely to be of sub par quality, that
is right there in the running I can tell you.
Could it not be that your rough work might inspire someone to make a better
finished work than you ever could with a particular piece where your finished
piece would not provide similar inspiratoin?
(Ouch - I lost a good thought while I was writing down that last point... I
hate it when that happens. The brain gets two thoughts at once but by the
time you finish recording the first, the second has managed to evaporate...)
On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 09:12:06PM +0000,
Folderol wrote:
Thank you :)
On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 20:42:35 -0800
Ken Restivo <ken(a)restivo.org> wrote:
Beautiful! On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 10:33:56AM +1100, Erik de
Castro Lopo wrote:
> david wrote:
> > Like right now:
> >
> > "Sorry, this GeoCities site is currently unavailable.
>
> I've mirrored it here:
>
> http://www.mega-nerd.com/tmp/p88warmpadTest.mp3
>
> I'll keep it up for at least a week.
Wow, that resonant note that seems to emerge out of the high notes,
is really sweet.
-ken
Well all these samples and trial bits has sparked an idea.
Demo is now about a minute long :)
http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Demo.mp3
http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Demo.ogg
I don't yet know where I'll go with it, or what I'll call it, but I
think it has promise. I am hearing some kind of a kicking breakbeat
behind that! Is it played
to a click track? If so, what's the tempo?
Tempo is 120bpm. Time sig. is 4/4 and each phrase spreads across 4 bars.
If you wouldn't mind me desecrating it in
that way, then I'd love it if
you could license it BY-SA and post it to the Linux Audio Collaboration
project site.
http://lau-cb.peterlutek.com/readme.html
-ken
All my work is BY-SA. Sometimes I add NC to stuff I especially want to
protect, but not to a part finished clip like this.
So far I've extended it to 2 minutes, but haven't put that version up
yet as I not quite happy with one of the later progressions.
I'm happy for anyone to develop on top of this, but am reluctant to put
it up on the collaboration site, for fear of diluting the site - there
already seem to be several 'starts' that don't seem to have much being
added to them :(
I have been thinking about this as well. Along the same lines interestingly
enough.
I seem to remember somewhere reading about some fail early, fail often
strategy and I think that might be relevant here.
Might it be that putting up a lot of possibilities and hoping for a one in ten
or one in a undreg success rate might prove more productive than trying to
make something of every thing someone puts up? I welcome thoughts along both
of these lines.
all the best,
drew
7:30 p.m.
New subject: Hardware synths (This is the snippet)
On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 17:56:23 -0500
drew Roberts <zotz(a)100jamz.com> wrote:
On Friday 07 December 2007 17:14:12 Folderol wrote:
<snip some interesting thoughts but...>
Here IS the next development :)
http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Demo2.mp3
http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Demo2.ogg
--
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 19:30:47 -0800
Ken Restivo <ken(a)restivo.org> wrote:
Something to consider:
In "The Cathedral and the Bazaar" Eric Raymond puts forward the notion
of "Release Early, Release Often"
http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/cathedral-bazaar/cathedral-bazaar/ar01s04…
Now, I see a lot of artists seemingly afraid of this and even advice not to
let the world see things before they are polished.
I wonder if that advice might have been OK for the "all rights reserved" way
of doing things but that we may gain from a release early, release often way
of working in the world of art if we are working with Free licenses. On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 09:12:06PM +0000,
Folderol wrote:
Thank you :)
On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 20:42:35 -0800
Ken Restivo <ken(a)restivo.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 10:33:56AM +1100, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote:
> > david wrote:
> > > Like right now:
> > >
> > > "Sorry, this GeoCities site is currently unavailable.
> >
> > I've mirrored it here:
> >
> > http://www.mega-nerd.com/tmp/p88warmpadTest.mp3
> >
> > I'll keep it up for at least a week.
>
> Wow, that resonant note that seems to emerge out of the high notes,
> is really sweet.
>
> -ken
Well all these samples and trial bits has sparked an idea.
Demo is now about a minute long :)
http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Demo.mp3
http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Demo.ogg
I don't yet know where I'll go with it, or what I'll call it, but I
think it has promise.
Beautiful! I am hearing some kind of a kicking breakbeat
behind that! Is it played
to a click track? If so, what's the tempo?
Tempo is 120bpm. Time sig. is 4/4 and each phrase spreads across 4 bars.
If you wouldn't mind me desecrating it in
that way, then I'd love it if
you could license it BY-SA and post it to the Linux Audio Collaboration
project site.
http://lau-cb.peterlutek.com/readme.html
-ken
All my work is BY-SA. Sometimes I add NC to stuff I especially want to
protect, but not to a part finished clip like this.
So far I've extended it to 2 minutes, but haven't put that version up
yet as I not quite happy with one of the later progressions.
7:56 p.m.
New subject: Hardware synths (This is the snippet)
On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 18:33:12 -0500
lanas <lanas(a)securenet.net> wrote:
Le Vendredi, 7 Décembre 2007 23:30:06 +0000,
Folderol <folderol(a)ukfsn.org> a écrit :
No, the first three chords from the original demo started me off,
and I quite liked the expression in the snippet. After that it took on a
life of its own :)
--
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Here IS the next development :)
I'm curious, do you listen back to the 'snippet' for
development inspiration ?
Cheers,
Al
8:19 p.m.
New subject: Hardware synths (This is the snippet)
Le Vendredi, 7 Décembre 2007 23:56:35 +0000,
Folderol <folderol(a)ukfsn.org> a écrit :
No, the first three chords from the original demo
started me off,
and I quite liked the expression in the snippet. After that it took
on a life of its own :)
It's kind of nice, but it is soooo 4/4. And I mean that 5/4 wouldn't
be better. Or any other time signature. The intent turned out more
like a nightmare for software that tries to print out music on a staff,
so to speak. Fuzziness, or muddiness would be more like it. Over
which a melody could come and go. Perhaps on a wind instrument. On
the low side, the bass could be using a mix of harmonics and soft low
notes. Things would evolve rather quickly (must not forget about short
attention span ! ;-) so that percussion could reing in. And perhaps
sustaining from a guitar, leading to a definite and different melody
that would state the meaning. And then fade away into the magma (*).
Or something like that. But not too 4/4 oriented, although your bit
with the highs and low is nice.
Cheers,
Al
(*) pun on the actual band:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=3PctfRFnn6g
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magma_(band)
http://www.seventhrecords.com/
9 Dec
9 Dec
2:43 p.m.
New subject: Untitled piece Was: Hardware synths (This is the snippet)
On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 23:56:35 +0000
Folderol <folderol(a)ukfsn.org> wrote:
On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 18:33:12 -0500
lanas <lanas(a)securenet.net> wrote:
This is now a complete track (as far as it goes) of about 4 1/2 minutes.
If anyone wants to build on it I'm very happy for them to do so, and
would be interested in the results.
If there is enough interest I guess I could put it on the LAC site
- would mean I'd need to work out exactly what cords I'm playing :(
http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Demo3.mp3
http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Demo3.ogg
--
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Le Vendredi, 7 Décembre 2007 23:30:06 +0000,
Folderol <folderol(a)ukfsn.org> a écrit :
No, the first three chords from the original demo started me off,
and I quite liked the expression in the snippet. After that it took on a
life of its own :) Here IS the next development :)
I'm curious, do you listen back to the 'snippet' for
development inspiration ?
Cheers,
Al
7 Dec
7 Dec
9:58 p.m.
New subject: Hardware synths (This is the snippet)
On Friday 07 December 2007 18:30:06 Folderol wrote:
I think I remembered the bit I forgot.
I was wondering some lately if it might be more inspiring and instructive for
at least some to see the process of going from an initial idea in the rough
all the way through to a polished gem.
Sorry for the ramblings if they bug anyone. Nothing was meant in particular,
the particular was just a jumping off point for some general ramblings. I
actually had these thoughts in relation to novels, but I think they might
apply to music and perhaps other forms of art as well.
all the best,
drew
On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 17:56:23 -0500
drew Roberts <zotz(a)100jamz.com> wrote:
I wonder if that advice might have been OK for the "all rights reserved"
way of doing things but that we may gain from a release early, release
often way of working in the world of art if we are working with Free
licenses.
<snip some interesting thoughts but...>
Here IS the next development :)
http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Demo2.mp3
http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Demo2.ogg
13 Jan
13 Jan
2:51 a.m.
New subject: Hardware synths (This is the snippet)
Erik de Castro Lopo wrote:
david wrote:
Thanks, it's been a really long week. ;-)
--
David
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
Like right now:
"Sorry, this GeoCities site is currently unavailable.
I've mirrored it here:
http://www.mega-nerd.com/tmp/p88warmpadTest.mp3
I'll keep it up for at least a week.
5 Dec
5 Dec
7:55 p.m.
New subject: Hardware synths (This is the snippet)
On Wed, 2007-12-05 at 17:20 -0500, lanas wrote:
I've now put it on geocities:
http://www.geocities.com/alf32967/
Note that it takes not too many downloads for geocities to pause
downloads for an hour or so.
http://www.gjcp.net/p88warmpadTest.ogg
Note that it doesn't take too many downloads to annoy me by flattening
my upstream ;-)
Gordon
8 p.m.
New subject: Hardware synths (This is the snippet)
Here you go kids (another mirror)
http://eckz.zapto.org/eckz/p88warmpadTest.mp3
Download as much as you want my employer pay for it, yay.
On Wed, 2007-12-05 at 23:55 +0000, Gordon JC Pearce wrote:
On Wed, 2007-12-05 at 17:20 -0500, lanas wrote:
--
My Website:
http://eckz.zapto.org/eckz/
I've now put it on geocities:
http://www.geocities.com/alf32967/
Note that it takes not too many downloads for geocities to pause
downloads for an hour or so.
http://www.gjcp.net/p88warmpadTest.ogg
Note that it doesn't take too many downloads to annoy me by flattening
my upstream ;-)
Gordon
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6 Dec
3:11 p.m.
New subject: Hardware synths (This is the snippet)
On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 15:50:33 -0800
Miguel M <therevoltingx(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Here you go kids (another mirror)
http://eckz.zapto.org/eckz/p88warmpadTest.mp3
Download as much as you want my employer pay for it, yay.
On Wed, 2007-12-05 at 23:55 +0000, Gordon JC Pearce wrote:
> On Wed, 2007-12-05 at 17:20 -0500, lanas wrote:
> > I've now put it on geocities:
> >
> > http://www.geocities.com/alf32967/
> >
> > Note that it takes not too many downloads for geocities to pause
> > downloads for an hour or so.
>
> http://www.gjcp.net/p88warmpadTest.ogg
>
> Note that it doesn't take too many downloads to annoy me by flattening
> my upstream ;-)
>
> Gordon
Well, I still thinks it's nice enough, but nothing special <shrug>
--
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http://www.musically.me.uk
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