5 Jul
2004
5 Jul
'04
1:38 p.m.
Guys,
Many thanks for the time and effort spent on giving advice, it's much
appreciated.
Basically, you guys have recommended:
-Mandrake + Thac's RPMs (Robert)
-DeMuDi (Tim and Stefano)
-Planet CCRMA (Jan)
..Which basically boils down to: Mandrake vs Debian vs Redhat. Not sure if
it's a wise decision, but I'm then thinking about choosing the distro based
on:
-Is ALSA supported on the distro or did you have to download and install
ALSA separately?
-Did you find the kernel easy to patch for low latency? (I assume all
Thac's, DeMuDi and Planet have some patch set for this).
Any thoughts much appreciated.
Yours,
Alex
PS: starting a new thread soon to briefly explain what note tuning and audio
quantizing is for the ones who are interested, glad to contribute somehow
:-)
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5 Jul
5 Jul
2:40 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Fresh PC waiting for basic installation - Advice?
Basically, you guys have recommended:
-Mandrake + Thac's RPMs (Robert)
-DeMuDi (Tim and Stefano)
-Planet CCRMA (Jan)
..Which basically boils down to: Mandrake vs Debian vs Redhat. Not sure if
it's a wise decision, but I'm then thinking about choosing the distro based
on:
-Is ALSA supported on the distro or did you have to download and install
ALSA separately?
Planet CCRMA: for RedHat <= 9 and Fedora Core 1 ALSA is not included in
the base distribution. But for Planet CCRMA you have to install a
specialized kernel anyway for best latency performnace and realtime
operation as a non-root user, so adding ALSA is not that big a deal (I
use alsaconf for the configuration step).
Fedora Core 2 comes with kernel 2.6.x and ALSA. You still need to
install a separate kernel to be able to get the best latency and be able
to run the Jack server with realtime priority as a non-root user. There
are still some issues with Jack and the new nptl threading model that is
now standard in FC2.
-Did you find the kernel easy to patch for low
latency? (I assume all
Thac's, DeMuDi and Planet have some patch set for this).
Planet CCRMA comes with prebuilt kernels for low latency, you don't need
to apply patches yourself (as is the case also on Demudi and Mandrake -
on Mandrake there is a separate "multimedia" kernel, I think).
Any thoughts much appreciated.
If you have the time and bandwidth you could just do some trial installs
and pick the distro that appeals to you most. All of them are good
(although of course you'll find strong advocates for all of them as well
that will suggest that _that_ one is the best :-)
-- Fernando
2:47 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Fresh PC waiting for basic installation - Advice?
When you use the planet all of these things are included. The kernel is
patched, ALSA is there, all of the apps just download and work. You
*do* need to make sure you get the kernel source but it's there as
well. As I said before, the only apps that I build from scratch are
JACK, Ardour, and JAMin. The only reason I build JAMin from scratch is
because I work on the code. Otherwise, I'd just download it from the
planet as well. Having built everything from scratch before I can tell
you that the planet not only is easier but that it does things the right
way.
Jan
On Mon, 2004-07-05 at 10:28, Alejandro Lopez wrote:
Guys,
Many thanks for the time and effort spent on giving advice, it's much
appreciated.
Basically, you guys have recommended:
-Mandrake + Thac's RPMs (Robert)
-DeMuDi (Tim and Stefano)
-Planet CCRMA (Jan)
..Which basically boils down to: Mandrake vs Debian vs Redhat. Not sure if
it's a wise decision, but I'm then thinking about choosing the distro based
on:
-Is ALSA supported on the distro or did you have to download and install
ALSA separately?
-Did you find the kernel easy to patch for low latency? (I assume all
Thac's, DeMuDi and Planet have some patch set for this).
Any thoughts much appreciated.
Yours,
Alex
PS: starting a new thread soon to briefly explain what note tuning and audio
quantizing is for the ones who are interested, glad to contribute somehow
:-)
_________________________________________________________________
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2:55 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Fresh PC waiting for basic installation - Advice?
Jan Depner wrote:
When you use the planet all of these things are
included. The kernel is
patched, ALSA is there, all of the apps just download and work. You
*do* need to make sure you get the kernel source but it's there as
well. As I said before, the only apps that I build from scratch are
JACK, Ardour, and JAMin. The only reason I build JAMin from scratch is
because I work on the code. Otherwise, I'd just download it from the
planet as well. Having built everything from scratch before I can tell
you that the planet not only is easier but that it does things the right
way.
I'm using the stock unstable version of Debian. It also have everything
you need (I don't think it has the patched kernel, but it does have the
source and the low-latency patches as separate packages). I typically
build most things from CVS also, just to stay on the bleeding edge of
things -- JACK, Ardour, JAMin and Rosegarden, primarily.
3:26 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Fresh PC waiting for basic installation - Advice?
Let me put in a vote for fedora core 1 and CCRMA. The planet gives you a
step-by-step installation guide that worked for me on the first try, no
hassles, no problems. It shows you how to set up ALSA and low latency.
All in all, the entire installation (once fedora was up and running)
took 30 - 45 minutes. It is a really nice setup for linux audio (and
video) work.
Please note that this is a completely biased recommendation as I have
only ever used the Planet. :-)
-Joe Dell'Orfano
On Mon, 2004-07-05 at 12:49, Them wrote:
Jan Depner wrote:
When you use the planet all of these things are
included. The kernel is
patched, ALSA is there, all of the apps just download and work. You
*do* need to make sure you get the kernel source but it's there as
well. As I said before, the only apps that I build from scratch are
JACK, Ardour, and JAMin. The only reason I build JAMin from scratch is
because I work on the code. Otherwise, I'd just download it from the
planet as well. Having built everything from scratch before I can tell
you that the planet not only is easier but that it does things the right
way.
I'm using the stock unstable version of Debian. It also have everything
you need (I don't think it has the patched kernel, but it does have the
source and the low-latency patches as separate packages). I typically
build most things from CVS also, just to stay on the bleeding edge of
things -- JACK, Ardour, JAMin and Rosegarden, primarily. 
5:46 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Fresh PC waiting for basic installation - Advice?
Last Monday 05 July 2004 16:28, Alejandro Lopez was like:
..Which basically boils down to: Mandrake vs Debian vs
Redhat. Not sure if
it's a wise decision, but I'm then thinking about choosing the distro based
on:
-Is ALSA supported on the distro or did you have to download and install
ALSA separately?
-Did you find the kernel easy to patch for low latency? (I assume all
Thac's, DeMuDi and Planet have some patch set for this).
These are good questions to base your decision on. I think you'll find it
easier than that. ;-)
Last Monday 05 July 2004 18:17, Joseph Dell'Orfano was like:
Let me put in a vote for fedora core 1 and CCRMA. The
planet gives you a
step-by-step installation guide that worked for me on the first try, no
hassles, no problems. It shows you how to set up ALSA and low latency.
All in all, the entire installation (once fedora was up and running)
took 30 - 45 minutes. It is a really nice setup for linux audio
AGNULA/DeMuDi is much the same. It comes with pre-patched multimedia kernels
and ALSA, JACK etc. A/DeMuDi-1.2.0 installs it all for you in under an hour
and you can get straight into making music, although you'll probably have to
do a little configuring for best results.
The difference between the systems is mostly in the way they are configured.
You'll get a similar spread of packages out of all three, I prefer a
Debian-based system, so I'm using A/DeMuDi. The 1.2.0 installer provides a
nice stand alone music system, which is compatible with Debian testing.
cheers
tim hall
6 Jul
6 Jul
4:13 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Fresh PC waiting for basic installation - Advice?
Alejandro Lopez wrote:
Guys,
Many thanks for the time and effort spent on giving advice, it's much
appreciated.
Basically, you guys have recommended:
-Mandrake + Thac's RPMs (Robert)
-DeMuDi (Tim and Stefano)
-Planet CCRMA (Jan)
I've never gotten a clear picture on this :
What difference does the target processor for the various distros make ?
Is there enough difference between the i386 i586 i686 based distros to
be worth anything ? I had assumed that compiling your own kernel for
your specific processor was a Good Thing (tm). I figured that building
these other apps for your processor would be a slight advantage too. An
i386 based distro for multimedia doesn't make sense if the apps aren't
making use of the various enhancements available in P4 or K7 based
systems, unless those enhancements don't count for much in real life.
6:42 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Fresh PC waiting for basic installation - Advice?
Last Tuesday 06 July 2004 01:06, Alastair Couper was like:
What difference does the target processor for the
various distros make ?
Is there enough difference between the i386 i586 i686 based distros to
be worth anything ?
Don't know, never tried. :-)
I had assumed that compiling your own kernel for
your specific processor was a Good Thing (tm). I figured that building
these other apps for your processor would be a slight advantage too. An
i386 based distro for multimedia doesn't make sense if the apps aren't
making use of the various enhancements available in P4 or K7 based
systems, unless those enhancements don't count for much in real life.
It's certainly not something you need to worry about before you've settled on
a suitable distro. Pre-patched multimedia kernels are generally available in
386, 586, 686, k6 & k7 flavours. I assume that deals with most differences.
As for applications, I let apt-get take the strain. I believe there are
different binaries for the different processor types when it makes a
difference.
cheers
tim hall
10:44 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Fresh PC waiting for basic installation - Advice?
el Mon, 05 Jul 2004 20:06:59 -0400
Alastair Couper <kalepa(a)shaka.com> escribió:
What difference does the target processor for the
various distros make ?
Is there enough difference between the i386 i586 i686 based distros to
be worth anything ? I had assumed that compiling your own kernel for
your specific processor was a Good Thing (tm). I figured that building
these other apps for your processor would be a slight advantage too. An
i386 based distro for multimedia doesn't make sense if the apps aren't
making use of the various enhancements available in P4 or K7 based
systems, unless those enhancements don't count for much in real life.
very sensible reasoning, imo. if you're really concerned about optimizing
compilation for you specific processor, and assuming you're not intending to
go all the way down to LinuxFromScratch [1], i think you should definitely
take a look at gentoo[2]. instead of distributing pre-compiled binaries,
gentoo is based in a collection of "ebuilds". an ebuild is simply a bash
script that automagically downloads the sources, compiles, installs and
configures the packages for you, taking care of dependencies along the way.
you can thus have an optimized system built from scratch, without having to
manually install every single package. as far as i have seen, they have
ebuilds for most or all audio packages, and reasonably up-to-date too,
making gentoo an option worth mentioning along with planet ccrma and the
like. it'll take you longer, though. be ready to spend the whole afternoon
just reading the docs and trying to figure out how things work. having the
system up and running might take a couple of days, depending on your
internet connection and processor speed, but you might end up with a more
robust and optimized system (and perhaps less bloated) than otherwise.
DISCLAIMER: i installed gentoo a couple of times but i don't use it myself,
and i don't endorse it in any way. i can't obviously guarantee that the
system is indeed as stable and efficient as it should be, i just wanted to
call your attention to a valid option that hasn't been mentioned yet. good
luck and have fun.
[1] http://www.linuxfromscratch.org
[2] http://www.gentoo.org
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11 Jul
11 Jul
5:27 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Fresh PC waiting for basic installation - Advice?
|--==> "AC" == Alastair Couper <kalepa(a)shaka.com> writes:
AC> Alejandro Lopez wrote:
>Guys,
>
>Many thanks for the time and effort spent on giving advice, it's much
>appreciated.
>
>Basically, you guys have recommended:
>
>-Mandrake + Thac's RPMs (Robert)
>-DeMuDi (Tim and Stefano)
>-Planet CCRMA (Jan)
>
AC> I've never gotten a clear picture on this :
AC> What difference does the target processor for the various distros make ?
AC> Is there enough difference between the i386 i586 i686 based distros to
AC> be worth anything ? I had assumed that compiling your own kernel for
AC> your specific processor was a Good Thing (tm). I figured that building
AC> these other apps for your processor would be a slight advantage too. An
AC> i386 based distro for multimedia doesn't make sense if the apps aren't
AC> making use of the various enhancements available in P4 or K7 based
AC> systems, unless those enhancements don't count for much in real life.
As I mentioned on my previous reply on the subject, A/DeMuDi comes
with optimised kernels of 386/586tsc/686/k6/k7. The installer will
detect your processor and pick the right kernel for it.
Cheers,
Free Ekanayaka
6 Jul
6 Jul
7:51 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Fresh PC waiting for basic installation - Advice?
>>>> On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 15:28:27 +0000,
"Alejandro Lopez" <alex_osiris(a)hotmail.com> said:
Alejandro> Guys, Many thanks for the time and effort spent on
Alejandro> giving advice, it's much appreciated.
Alejandro> Basically, you guys have recommended:
Alejandro> -Mandrake + Thac's RPMs (Robert) -DeMuDi (Tim and
Alejandro> Stefano) -Planet CCRMA (Jan)
Alejandro> ..Which basically boils down to: Mandrake vs Debian vs
Alejandro> Redhat. Not sure if it's a wise decision, but I'm then
Alejandro> thinking about choosing the distro based on:
Alejandro> -Is ALSA supported on the distro or did you have to
Alejandro> download and install ALSA separately?
Alejandro> -Did you find the kernel easy to patch for low latency?
Alejandro> (I assume all Thac's, DeMuDi and Planet have some patch
Alejandro> set for this).
Alejandro> Any thoughts much appreciated.
Hi Alejandro,
AGNULA/DeMuDi has now an all-in-one bootable CD-ROM ISO image,
i.e. you just insert the CD-ROM in the reader, boot your machine and
follow the installation instructions.
After installation is completed you will get a fully working audio
system with ALSA automatically configured, a lowlatency patched kernel
optimised for you processor and all the applications grouped in a
rationale menu tree.
This ISO image is still in beta, but should be quite usable. You can
download it here:
http://download.agnula.org/1.2/1.2.0/demudi_1.2.0-beta1_i386.iso
And some brief instructions on how to install it can be found here:
http://www.agnula.org/download/demudi/demudi_1_2_0_iso
cheers,
Free Ekanayaka
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