5 Jan
2026
5 Jan
'26
9:24 p.m.
Hello everybody,
Best wishes for the new year! I've made some small changes to the LAU
mailing list that will hopefully reduce the number of bounces that some
members suffer from:
- The unsubscribe footer has been removed.
- The [LAU] prefix to the subject has been removed.
By making these changes the messages sent to the list should go through
unaltered which would make DMARC/DKIM happier. Especially removing the
[LAU] prefix might be problematic for some, hopefully this doesn't mess
up filtering all too much. So apologies beforehand for any inconvenience
these changes might cause. If any other problems arise from these
changes then let me know!
Best regards,
Jeremy
5 Jan
5 Jan
9:35 p.m.
On 1/5/26 21:24, Jeremy Jongepier wrote:
Hello everybody,
Best wishes for the new year! I've made some small changes to the LAU
mailing list that will hopefully reduce the number of bounces that some
members suffer from:
- The unsubscribe footer has been removed.
- The [LAU] prefix to the subject has been removed.
And another change I had to make was that I had to disable the automatic
conversion of HTML mails to plain text. I really don't like having to do
this but if this prevents users getting disabled or even getting
unsubscribed and allows them to receive mail without it getting bounced
then so be it. So please, send mails in plain text to this mailing list
if possible. Thanks in advance!
Best,
Jeremy
10:35 p.m.
On 2026-01-05 9:35 PM, Jeremy Jongepier wrote:
On 1/5/26 21:24, Jeremy Jongepier wrote:
Thank you for all your efforts to keep this community going!
Cheers!
rogin
Hello everybody,
Best wishes for the new year! I've made some small changes to the LAU
mailing list that will hopefully reduce the number of bounces that
some members suffer from:
- The unsubscribe footer has been removed.
- The [LAU] prefix to the subject has been removed.
And another change I had to make was that I had to disable the automatic
conversion of HTML mails to plain text. I really don't like having to do
this but if this prevents users getting disabled or even getting
unsubscribed and allows them to receive mail without it getting bounced
then so be it. So please, send mails in plain text to this mailing list
if possible. Thanks in advance!
6 Jan
6 Jan
9:11 a.m.
On Mon, 5 Jan 2026 22:35:40 +0100
Robin Gareus <robin(a)gareus.org> wrote:
On 2026-01-05 9:35 PM, Jeremy Jongepier wrote:
... and a thanks from me as well. I always keep an eye on this list :)
--
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Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.
On 1/5/26 21:24, Jeremy Jongepier wrote:
Thank you for all your efforts to keep this community going!
Cheers!
rogin Hello everybody,
Best wishes for the new year! I've made some small changes to the LAU
mailing list that will hopefully reduce the number of bounces that
some members suffer from:
- The unsubscribe footer has been removed.
- The [LAU] prefix to the subject has been removed.
And another change I had to make was that I had to disable the automatic
conversion of HTML mails to plain text. I really don't like having to do
this but if this prevents users getting disabled or even getting
unsubscribed and allows them to receive mail without it getting bounced
then so be it. So please, send mails in plain text to this mailing list
if possible. Thanks in advance!
5 Jan
5 Jan
11:07 p.m.
Oi Mon, Jan 05, 2026 at 09:35:13PM +0100, Jeremy Jongepier wrote:
And another change I had to make was that I had to
disable the automatic
conversion of HTML mails to plain text. I really don't like having to do
this but if this prevents users getting disabled or even getting
unsubscribed and allows them to receive mail without it getting bounced then
so be it.
I don't follow the logic here (probably my own ignorance), so
could you explain ?
Here anything that is pure HTML is simply deleted before I even
try to read it, unless there is a good reason to look into it.
One such reason may be the LA* prefix, which now won't be there...
So I guess I'll be missing some of the future LA* content :-(
Ciao,
--
FA
6 Jan
6 Jan
8:48 a.m.
Hi!
Thank you Jeremy for keeping this list ongoing.
Le 05/01/2026 à 23:07, Fons Adriaensen a écrit :
Oi Mon, Jan 05, 2026 at 09:35:13PM +0100, Jeremy
Jongepier wrote:
The same for me. Couldn't it be possible to refuse html-written mails?
Cause if some of us don't receive those mails in the end, it's just
moving the problem to another point.
Thank you.
And another change I had to make was that I had
to disable the automatic
conversion of HTML mails to plain text. I really don't like having to do
this but if this prevents users getting disabled or even getting
unsubscribed and allows them to receive mail without it getting bounced then
so be it.
I don't follow the logic here (probably my own ignorance), so
could you explain ?
Here anything that is pure HTML is simply deleted before I even
try to read it, unless there is a good reason to look into it.
One such reason may be the LA* prefix, which now won't be there...
So I guess I'll be missing some of the future LA* content :-(
Ciao,
9:54 a.m.
On 2026-01-06 08:48, ORL AMMD wrote:
Hi!
Thank you Jeremy for keeping this list ongoing.
Le 05/01/2026 à 23:07, Fons Adriaensen a écrit :
> Oi Mon, Jan 05, 2026 at 09:35:13PM +0100, Jeremy Jongepier wrote:
>
>> And another change I had to make was that I had to disable the automatic
>> conversion of HTML mails to plain text. I really don't like having to do
>> this but if this prevents users getting disabled or even getting
>> unsubscribed and allows them to receive mail without it getting
>> bounced then
>> so be it.
>
> I don't follow the logic here (probably my own ignorance), so
> could you explain ?
>
> Here anything that is pure HTML is simply deleted before I even
> try to read it, unless there is a good reason to look into it.
> One such reason may be the LA* prefix, which now won't be there...
>
> So I guess I'll be missing some of the future LA* content :-(
There is a List-Id in the headers. I use it for rewriting, filtering,
and so on.
List-Id: A list for linux audio users
<linux-audio-user.lists.linuxaudio.org>
List-Id: A list for announcements about Linux Audio
<linux-audio-announce.lists.linuxaudio.org>
etc.
--
/bengan
11:12 a.m.
Hello,
On 1/6/26 08:48, ORL AMMD wrote:
Hi!
Thank you Jeremy for keeping this list ongoing.
Le 05/01/2026 à 23:07, Fons Adriaensen a écrit :
All mail to the list was being sent through but HTML was converted to
plain text before. Now those HTML mails are being sent through as is. In
other words, I leave the filtering of HTML mails to the end user. As far
as I know some high traffic mailing lists work this way too (like the
kernel mailing lists). Leaving the filtering to the end user also
implies kindly nudging any list member who sends HTML mail by asking to
send in plain text the next time.
Jeremy
Oi Mon, Jan 05, 2026 at 09:35:13PM +0100, Jeremy
Jongepier wrote:
The same for me. Couldn't it be possible to refuse html-written mails?
Cause if some of us don't receive those mails in the end, it's just
moving the problem to another point.
And another change I had to make was that I had
to disable the automatic
conversion of HTML mails to plain text. I really don't like having to do
this but if this prevents users getting disabled or even getting
unsubscribed and allows them to receive mail without it getting
bounced then
so be it.
I don't follow the logic here (probably my own ignorance), so
could you explain ?
Here anything that is pure HTML is simply deleted before I even
try to read it, unless there is a good reason to look into it.
One such reason may be the LA* prefix, which now won't be there...
So I guess I'll be missing some of the future LA* content :-(
Ciao,
11:03 a.m.
Hello Fons,
On 1/5/26 23:07, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
Oi Mon, Jan 05, 2026 at 09:35:13PM +0100, Jeremy
Jongepier wrote:
The issue is that Mailman changes the content of the mail, hence
breaking the DKIM/DMARC chain. This anti-spoofing measure wants to see
an unaltered mail the whole line through, it can check this using
specific digital signatures. The other changes are related to this,
having Mailman change the subject and add a footer also breaks the
chain. Not adhering to this anti-spoofing measure means mail from this
mailing list has a bigger chance of getting bounced or rejected by other
mail servers with a strict anti-spoofing policy.
And another change I had to make was that I had
to disable the automatic
conversion of HTML mails to plain text. I really don't like having to do
this but if this prevents users getting disabled or even getting
unsubscribed and allows them to receive mail without it getting bounced then
so be it.
I don't follow the logic here (probably my own ignorance), so
could you explain ?
Here anything that is pure HTML is simply deleted
before I even
try to read it, unless there is a good reason to look into it.
One such reason may be the LA* prefix, which now won't be there...
LAU didn't send HTML mail because it was converted to plain text. Now it
does and because the [LAU] prefix was removed you will have to use a
different filtering rule unfortunately to filter out the LAU mail. Some
examples were already sent to the list. I'm using Thunderbird myself and
I'm filtering on "From, To, CC or BCC contains
linux-audio-user(a)lists.linuxaudio.org"quot;. Hope this helps.
So I guess I'll be missing some of the future LA*
content :-(
Hope not!
Ciao,
5 Jan
5 Jan
11:31 p.m.
On Mon, 5 Jan 2026 21:35:13 +0100
Jeremy Jongepier <jeremy(a)autostatic.com> wrote:
On 1/5/26 21:24, Jeremy Jongepier wrote:
> Hello everybody,
>
> Best wishes for the new year! I've made some small changes to the LAU
> mailing list that will hopefully reduce the number of bounces that some
> members suffer from:
> - The unsubscribe footer has been removed.
> - The [LAU] prefix to the subject has been removed.
A minor change to my filter was all I needed.
So please, send mails in plain text to this mailing
list
if possible. Thanks in advance!
Way ahead of you there!!
Thanks for keeping this list running and for all the work put into
linuxaudio.org overall.
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6 Jan
6 Jan
12:37 a.m.
Bummer, removing the [LAU] bit. It tells me at a glance that an email I sent actually got
to the list. I have sometimes sent mail to the list that didn't get there but the copy
my mail client sends to me did.
Guess I'll have to change filter.
Thanks, Jeremy!
On January 5, 2026 10:24:00 AM HST, Jeremy Jongepier <jeremy(a)autostatic.com> wrote:
Hello everybody,
Best wishes for the new year! I've made some small changes to the LAU mailing list
that will hopefully reduce the number of bounces that some members suffer from:
- The unsubscribe footer has been removed.
- The [LAU] prefix to the subject has been removed.
By making these changes the messages sent to the list should go through unaltered which
would make DMARC/DKIM happier. Especially removing the [LAU] prefix might be problematic
for some, hopefully this doesn't mess up filtering all too much. So apologies
beforehand for any inconvenience these changes might cause. If any other problems arise
from these changes then let me know!
Best regards,
Jeremy
---
David W. Jones
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
exploring the landscape of god
http://dancingtreefrog.com
Sent from my Android device with F/LOSS K-9 Mail.
11:17 a.m.
Hello David,
On 1/6/26 00:37, David W. Jones wrote:
Bummer, removing the [LAU] bit. It tells me at a
glance that an email I sent actually got to the list. I have sometimes sent mail to the
list that didn't get there but the copy my mail client sends to me did.
Hopefully you don't need to check anymore if email you sent to the list
got there because the changes I did increase the chance of emails from
the list getting delivered properly. If you still see emails not being
delivered then you can always check with me so I can look into it why
the emails did not get delivered.
Jeremy
5:37 p.m.
Hi David,
On 06/01/2026 00:37, David W. Jones wrote:
Bummer, removing the [LAU] bit. It tells me at a
glance that an email I sent actually got to the list. I have sometimes sent mail to the
list that didn't get there but the copy my mail client sends to me did.
Guess I'll have to change filter.
You can always check the archives to see if your reply is in the thread:
https://lists.linuxaudio.org/hyperkitty/list/linux-audio-user@lists.linuxau…
AFAIK it's pretty much 'immediate' so after sending if in doubt you
could check out the thread you replied to?
Lorenzo
Thanks, Jeremy!
On January 5, 2026 10:24:00 AM HST, Jeremy Jongepier <jeremy(a)autostatic.com> wrote:
Hello everybody,
Best wishes for the new year! I've made some small changes to the LAU mailing list
that will hopefully reduce the number of bounces that some members suffer from:
- The unsubscribe footer has been removed.
- The [LAU] prefix to the subject has been removed.
By making these changes the messages sent to the list should go through unaltered which
would make DMARC/DKIM happier. Especially removing the [LAU] prefix might be problematic
for some, hopefully this doesn't mess up filtering all too much. So apologies
beforehand for any inconvenience these changes might cause. If any other problems arise
from these changes then let me know!
Best regards,
Jeremy
---
David W. Jones
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
exploring the landscape of god
http://dancingtreefrog.com
Sent from my Android device with F/LOSS K-9 Mail.
10:36 a.m.
On 2026-01-05 21:24, Jeremy Jongepier wrote:
Hello everybody,
Best wishes for the new year! I've made some small changes to the LAU
mailing list that will hopefully reduce the number of bounces that some
members suffer from:
- The unsubscribe footer has been removed.
- The [LAU] prefix to the subject has been removed.
By making these changes the messages sent to the list should go through
unaltered which would make DMARC/DKIM happier. Especially removing the
[LAU] prefix might be problematic for some, hopefully this doesn't mess
up filtering all too much. So apologies beforehand for any inconvenience
these changes might cause. If any other problems arise from these
changes then let me know!
Thanks for taking care of the list.
One question. Does the removal of [LA.] mean that [ and ] in the subject
heading are problematic for this lists?
regards,
--
/bengan
11:53 a.m.
Thanks Jeremy!
Best,
Marc
On 1/5/26 21:24, Jeremy Jongepier wrote:
Hello everybody,
Best wishes for the new year! I've made some small changes to the LAU mailing list
that will hopefully reduce the
number of bounces that some members suffer from:
- The unsubscribe footer has been removed.
- The [LAU] prefix to the subject has been removed.
By making these changes the messages sent to the list should go through unaltered which
would make DMARC/DKIM happier.
Especially removing the [LAU] prefix might be problematic for some, hopefully this
doesn't mess up filtering all too
much. So apologies beforehand for any inconvenience these changes might cause. If any
other problems arise from these
changes then let me know!
Best regards,
Jeremy
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To unsubscribe send an email to linux-audio-user-leave(a)lists.linuxaudio.org
5:31 p.m.
Hi Jeremy,
On 05/01/2026 21:24, Jeremy Jongepier wrote:
Hello everybody,
Best wishes for the new year! I've made some small changes to the LAU
mailing list that will hopefully reduce the number of bounces that some
members suffer from:
- The unsubscribe footer has been removed.
- The [LAU] prefix to the subject has been removed.
By making these changes the messages sent to the list should go through
unaltered which would make DMARC/DKIM happier. Especially removing the
[LAU] prefix might be problematic for some, hopefully this doesn't mess
up filtering all too much. So apologies beforehand for any inconvenience
these changes might cause. If any other problems arise from these
changes then let me know!
As others said, thanks for taking care of the lists!
While much lower traffic these days, I still find the LA* lists
insightful and interesting.
As for the changes, I have always used Thunderbird filtering on the
actual address (as I think you mentioned in the thread) and have the
emails moved to a specific 'folder', so that won't impact my filters ;-)
Does the removal of [LAU] also mean that the use of '[' and ']' for
example for OT or MUSIC which I have also used in the past, are now
discouraged?
Lorenzo
5:48 p.m.
Hello Lorenzo,
On 1/6/26 17:31, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
Does the removal of [LAU] also mean that the use of '[' and ']' for
example for OT or MUSIC which I have also used in the past, are now
discouraged?
No, not at all, please continue to do so! It's just that if the mailing
list software (in our case Mailman3) is configured to add a subject
prefix like [LAU] then the original mail is changed. Some mail services
consider this as tampering with mails and might consider this as a
possible attempt of spoofing. Which in turn might cause mail getting
rejected. If this happens too much then mail services might start to
consider any mail coming from lists.linuxaudio.org as less trustworthy.
Jeremy
13 Jan
13 Jan
9:46 p.m.
On 05/01/2026 21:24, Jeremy Jongepier wrote:
- The [LAU] prefix to the subject has been removed.
Hello Jerey,
first of all: thanks for running this List!
May I kindly ask to reenable the "[LAU]" prefix?
Without that prefix, I have to read and *decipher* the subjects
of about 30 Spam emails every day, in order to find out if some
LAU mail was again classified as Spam. With prefix, this task
usually required only a quick glance and was just a minor annoyance.
The reason for that is: my eMail-Provider enforced a Spam filter
upstream, and refuses to disable it. Their response was "it is
for security and people do not use email clients anymore".
Actually, I have a well trained Spam filter in Thunderbird
and there I also have my rules. I could easily change my rules,
but that won't help, because the Spam filter at my mail provider
acts first, and can not be reconfigured.
Best regards.
-- Hermann
10:05 p.m.
Hello Hermann,
On 1/13/26 21:46, ichthyo wrote:
On 05/01/2026 21:24, Jeremy Jongepier wrote:
Thanks!!
- The [LAU] prefix to the subject has been
removed.
Hello Jerey,
first of all: thanks for running this List!
May I kindly ask to reenable the "[LAU]" prefix?
Without that prefix, I have to read and *decipher* the subjects
of about 30 Spam emails every day, in order to find out if some
LAU mail was again classified as Spam. With prefix, this task
usually required only a quick glance and was just a minor annoyance.
LAU mail getting classified as spam is one of the reasons why I removed
the prefix. If LAU mail still gets classified as spam then please let me
know!
Jeremy
14 Jan
14 Jan
10:20 a.m.
On 2026-01-13 21:46, ichthyo wrote:
Actually, I have a well trained Spam filter in
Thunderbird
and there I also have my rules. I could easily change my rules,
If so, have you considered triggering on List-Id, wouldn't that help?
Like this:
name="List-Id"
enabled="yes"
action="JunkScore"
actionValue="0" (0=nojunk)
condition="AND
(\"list-id\",contains,linux-audio-user.lists.linuxaudio.org)"
but that won't help, because the Spam filter at my
mail provider
acts first, and can not be reconfigured.
Does this mean that [LAU] in the subject line prevents your email
provider from classifying the email as spam?
--
/bengan
4:04 p.m.
Long-time lurker, seldom poster:
FWIW, I use Gmail as my "mail client" and have a rule that does still label
these messages as LAU-- but Google continues to tag *some* messages
(including the last couple of replies to *this thread*) as Spam...
Thank you,
Mike
On Wed, Jan 14, 2026 at 3:20 AM Bengt Gördén <bengan(a)bag.org> wrote:
On 2026-01-13 21:46, ichthyo wrote:
Actually, I have a well trained Spam filter in
Thunderbird
and there I also have my rules. I could easily change my rules,
If so, have you considered triggering on List-Id, wouldn't that help?
Like this:
name="List-Id"
enabled="yes"
action="JunkScore"
actionValue="0" (0=nojunk)
condition="AND (\"list-id\",contains,linux-audio-user.lists.linuxaudio.org
)"
but that won't help, because the Spam filter
at my mail provider
acts first, and can not be reconfigured.
Does this mean that [LAU] in the subject line prevents your email
provider from classifying the email as spam?
--
/bengan
16 Jan
16 Jan
5:26 p.m.
Hello Mike,
On 1/14/26 16:04, Mike Pullen wrote:
Long-time lurker, seldom poster:
FWIW, I use Gmail as my "mail client" and have a rule that does still label
these messages as LAU-- but Google continues to tag *some* messages
(including the last couple of replies to *this thread*) as Spam...
Could you let me know which messages get tagged as spam? If you prefer
to do so off-list then that's no problem.
Thanks!
Jeremy
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Bengt Gördén -
David W. Jones -
Fons Adriaensen -
ichthyo -
Jeremy Jongepier -
Joe Hartley -
Lorenzo Sutton -
Marc Groenewegen -
Mike Pullen -
ORL AMMD -
Robin Gareus -
Will Godfrey