13 Aug
2007
13 Aug
'07
2:27 p.m.
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Am Montag, 13. August 2007 schrieb Joshua D. Boyd:
Even more so if you plan on extensive recording or playing with big soundfonts
(like the rather good steinway sf2). For these reasons I got my wife to
pre-approve new mem for my main desktop (still running on 512MB).
Arnold
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On Mon, 2007-08-13 at 15:01 +0200, Arnold Krille
wrote:
I've seen several laptops
where the video card is a removable piece that
can potentially be upgraded. However, as there also seems to be no
standard for laptop video cards, that would mean that upgrades would be
limited to getting compatible cards from the same company.
Most notably Dell is like this. I've seen many reports of uses of the
Inspiron 8x00 series of laptops upgrading their video cards, which I
believe went from a fairly lowly Rage to a modest Radeon or Geforce 4MX.
I also saw a newer Dell laptop (forget the model number, but it was a
centrino with a pentium-m) that had Intel graphics on the motherboard
but could take (and this one had) a seperate card that had (in this
case) a Radeon X300 on it.
So, depending on the laptop that "schrieb david" owns, he very well may
be able to somehow upgrade it's graphics, albeit not with a PCI/AGP
card. If it was a common brand it may be worth looking for doner
laptops to scavange for video upgrades.
Hehe, the guys name is only "david". The "schrieb" means
"wrote" and as I am
note "Arnold Krille wrote", he is not "david schrieb" but
"david". :-)
Yes,
please, my laptop has onboard Intel video and it steals 64MB of
system memory that I'd rather be using for other things.
Your laptop can be
expanded with a pci-/agp-card?
I have the very strong feeling that you are fixed on your graphics device
as I have never seen a laptop that could make use of an extra video card.
Except with a docking station that has a pci-slot... You should get
more RAM for your laptop so the 64MB of the graphics
don't make a high percentage.
That would certainly be worth doing. 
13 Aug
13 Aug
3:16 p.m.
New subject: Reply to List/All [was: Re: Suggested video card]
Hallo,
Arnold Krille hat gesagt: // Arnold Krille wrote:
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14 Aug
14 Aug
7:47 a.m.
New subject: Suggested video card
Arnold Krille wrote:
Hee hee! Reminds me of my high school German days ...
Even more so if you plan on extensive recording or playing with big soundfonts
(like the rather good steinway sf2). For these reasons I got my wife to
pre-approve new mem for my main desktop (still running on 512MB).
I'm not planning to do any such heavy-duty work on the laptop. By the
time I have fluidsynth with a sound font loaded, jack, and Rosegarden
going, doing anything else with the system while playing a composition
is sufficient to interrupt the audio momentarily - particularly if I'm
playing from the Score editor. I blame it on the Intel graphics
hardware. Or maybe a 1.5GHz Celeron just hasn't enough oomph to do it
with Intel graphics around. And I'm not even using any kind of effects
or filtering.
I'm planning to move the music work to either my Sempron 3000 box
(currently being our network server) or the "newest" addition to the
network, a box with a 1.8GHz Athlon (the old style "significant
contributor to global warming" processor). The old server box has an
NVidia GeForce2 MX display adapter, and 1GB of RAM. The Athlon box will
end up with another NVidia GeForce2 MX adapter and have 1GB RAM. They'll
both have much better audio cards than the laptop's Intel HDA audio!
I wonder if it would be possible to somehow use the other computers'
audio hardware from the laptop as MIDI devices over the network???? Just
dreaming ...
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Am Montag, 13. August 2007 schrieb Joshua D. Boyd:
> On Mon, 2007-08-13 at 15:01 +0200, Arnold Krille wrote:
>>> Yes, please, my laptop has onboard Intel video and it steals 64MB of
>>> system memory that I'd rather be using for other things.
>> Your laptop can be expanded with a pci-/agp-card?
>> I have the very strong feeling that you are fixed on your graphics device
>> as I have never seen a laptop that could make use of an extra video card.
>> Except with a docking station that has a pci-slot...
> I've seen several laptops where the video card is a removable piece that
> can potentially be upgraded. However, as there also seems to be no
> standard for laptop video cards, that would mean that upgrades would be
> limited to getting compatible cards from the same company.
>
> Most notably Dell is like this. I've seen many reports of uses of the
> Inspiron 8x00 series of laptops upgrading their video cards, which I
> believe went from a fairly lowly Rage to a modest Radeon or Geforce 4MX.
> I also saw a newer Dell laptop (forget the model number, but it was a
> centrino with a pentium-m) that had Intel graphics on the motherboard
> but could take (and this one had) a seperate card that had (in this
> case) a Radeon X300 on it.
>
> So, depending on the laptop that "schrieb david" owns,
That's me. My laptop is too low-budget to have expandable video
capabilities.
he very well
may
be able to somehow upgrade it's graphics, albeit not with a PCI/AGP
card. If it was a common brand it may be worth looking for doner
laptops to scavange for video upgrades.
Hehe, the guys name is only "david". The "schrieb" means
"wrote" and as I am
note "Arnold Krille wrote", he is not "david schrieb" but
"david". :-) You should get more RAM for your laptop so the 64MB of
the graphics
don't make a high percentage.
That would certainly be worth doing. 
12:09 p.m.
New subject: Suggested video card
On Mon, 2007-08-13 at 23:47 -1000, david wrote:
The most recent Dell I saw with expandable graphics (note, they didn't advertise that
you could expand them) was under $1000 new.
> So,
depending on the laptop that "schrieb david" owns,
That's me. My laptop is too low-budget to have expandable video
capabilities. I'm not planning to do any such heavy-duty work on
the laptop. By the
time I have fluidsynth with a sound font loaded, jack, and Rosegarden
going, doing anything else with the system while playing a composition
is sufficient to interrupt the audio momentarily - particularly if I'm
playing from the Score editor. I blame it on the Intel graphics
hardware. Or maybe a 1.5GHz Celeron just hasn't enough oomph to do it
with Intel graphics around. And I'm not even using any kind of effects
or filtering.
You still haven't said what graphics you actually have. There is a wide
range of Intel graphics out there from the i810 (I'm ignoring the older
stuff that could be gotten as a separate AGP card) to the current 965.
I doubt that you have a 800 series chip in a Celeron with that clock,
but I doubt that you have a 965 either. But as for as I know, that
still leaves the 855G, 915GM, 945GM, and GMA 950 as options. I can't
believe that a 945 or better is causing you your trouble, and I don't
know about the 855 or 915.
OTOH, I wouldn't be happy with a celeron, although I've seen other
people refer to using them happily.
I'm planning to move the music work to either my
Sempron 3000 box
(currently being our network server) or the "newest" addition to the
network, a box with a 1.8GHz Athlon (the old style "significant
contributor to global warming" processor). The old server box has an
NVidia GeForce2 MX display adapter, and 1GB of RAM. The Athlon box will
end up with another NVidia GeForce2 MX adapter and have 1GB RAM. They'll
both have much better audio cards than the laptop's Intel HDA audio!
Moving to a desktop system may be a good idea. I would prefer to
"upgrade" which ever system I used with an ATI Radeon, but maybe you are
happy with the Nv driver. I just bought a stack of Radeon 7200s for $5
apiece just for putting into older Linux PCs with Geforce 2MX cards.
Also, to quote from another email you sent:
Sorry, no - I dashed that off fast, neglecting to
mention that I've
never encountered Intel graphics on any separate card - I've seen them
on many many laptops and a growing number of desktop motherboards (I
have two such mobos here). In all cases, the Intel graphics steals
memory from the system.
In the Dell Inspiron P-M that I was recently seeing inside (the above
one that was under $1000 when new 1.5-2 years ago), the intel graphics
were on the motherboard and were overridden by a ATI card when present.
So, not since the original i710 have I seen Intel graphics that wasn't
on the motherboard. It doesn't always steal RAM though. Or maybe it is
and it does it more subtly than the ProSavage did. In my P3 with i810
graphics, /proc/meminfo says it has 384M of RAM, just like I installed,
while Athlon with the Savage onboard graphics said that it had 608megs
installed when it was really 640megs. When I turned off the built in
graphics on the motherboard and put in a Radeon 7200 AGP
card, /proc/meminfo now reads 640 megs.
15 Aug
15 Aug
3:18 a.m.
New subject: Suggested video card
Joshua D. Boyd wrote:
855GM according to KInfoCenter's PCI report.
On Mon, 2007-08-13 at 23:47 -1000, david wrote:
The most recent Dell I saw with expandable graphics (note, they didn't advertise that
you could expand them) was under $1000 new.
Mine's a Toshiba Satellite model bought back near the end of 2004 for $600.
> So,
depending on the laptop that "schrieb david" owns,
That's me. My
laptop is too low-budget to have expandable video
capabilities. I'm not
planning to do any such heavy-duty work on the laptop. By the
time I have fluidsynth with a sound font loaded, jack, and Rosegarden
going, doing anything else with the system while playing a composition
is sufficient to interrupt the audio momentarily - particularly if I'm
playing from the Score editor. I blame it on the Intel graphics
hardware. Or maybe a 1.5GHz Celeron just hasn't enough oomph to do it
with Intel graphics around. And I'm not even using any kind of effects
or filtering.
You still haven't said what graphics you actually have. There is a wide
range of Intel graphics out there from the i810 (I'm ignoring the older
stuff that could be gotten as a separate AGP card) to the current 965.
I doubt that you have a 800 series chip in a Celeron with that clock,
but I doubt that you have a 965 either. But as for as I know, that
still leaves the 855G, 915GM, 945GM, and GMA 950 as options. I can't
believe that a 945 or better is causing you your trouble, and I don't
know about the 855 or 915.
OTOH, I wouldn't be happy with a celeron, although I've seen other
people refer to using them happily.
So far.
I'm planning to move the music work to either
my Sempron 3000 box
(currently being our network server) or the "newest" addition to the
network, a box with a 1.8GHz Athlon (the old style "significant
contributor to global warming" processor). The old server box has an
NVidia GeForce2 MX display adapter, and 1GB of RAM. The Athlon box will
end up with another NVidia GeForce2 MX adapter and have 1GB RAM. They'll
both have much better audio cards than the laptop's Intel HDA audio!
Moving to a desktop system may be a good idea. I would prefer to
"upgrade" which ever system I used with an ATI Radeon, but maybe you are
happy with the Nv driver. I just bought a stack of Radeon 7200s for $5
apiece just for putting into older Linux PCs with Geforce 2MX cards.
I got these free. I don't do games on any of my computers, so more
powerful display cards don't really do anything for me.
Also, to quote from another email you sent:
My laptop has 768meg in it; /proc/meminfo reports MemTotal 742976kB.
Looking in kern.log, the kernel reports 32636 stolen memory. Sorry, was
wrong about the amount being stolen on the laptop.
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Sorry, no - I dashed that off fast, neglecting to
mention that I've
never encountered Intel graphics on any separate card - I've seen them
on many many laptops and a growing number of desktop motherboards (I
have two such mobos here). In all cases, the Intel graphics steals
memory from the system.
In the Dell Inspiron P-M that I was recently seeing inside (the above
one that was under $1000 when new 1.5-2 years ago), the intel graphics
were on the motherboard and were overridden by a ATI card when present.
So, not since the original i710 have I seen Intel graphics that wasn't
on the motherboard. It doesn't always steal RAM though. Or maybe it is
and it does it more subtly than the ProSavage did. In my P3 with i810
graphics, /proc/meminfo says it has 384M of RAM, just like I installed,
while Athlon with the Savage onboard graphics said that it had 608megs
installed when it was really 640megs. When I turned off the built in
graphics on the motherboard and put in a Radeon 7200 AGP
card, /proc/meminfo now reads 640 megs.
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