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8:01 p.m.
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 09:34:42 +0000
From: Will Godfrey <willgodfrey(a)musically.me.uk>
To: linux-audio-user(a)lists.linuxaudio.org
Subject: Re: [LAU] [OT]: Multiple windows paradigm - [WAS]: Re: A
Project To Upgrade seq24
On Thu, 10 Dec 2015 09:38:03 +0100
Lorenzo Sutton <lorenzofsutton(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Just weighing in on the single window debate -
Will, you're my favourite linux-audio-user, but I'm gonna have to disagree with
you on this one :P
I much prefer having one window by default - especially when on the road with a laptop -
BUT then being able to undock and reposition panes when I wish. I like the way Renoise
handles it (you can detatch the sample editor) and the way the video editor kdenlive does
it. Pretty much the IDE-like model people have mentioned.
As far as the technical details go (MDI and all that), I need to do some research.
Might have to do a poll of users at some point to see what people would prefer the default
to be.
Best,
Oliver
On 09/12/2015 22:17, Louigi Verona wrote:
Precisely my view too. Also, I find that when presented with a huge mass of
controls all in one window it's much harder to focus on a specific function.
--
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. ...
A single window mode is very welcome. I don't understand this Linux
obsession with opening a zillion of windows.
Personally I find multiple windows a very nice distinctive feature on
Linux vs. other OSs, especially for complex applications which offer
different 'interaction paradigms'. An example is a sequencer : having a
new matrix window open possibly for multiple tracks is useful, having
another window for the score editing. Possibly putting those windows on
different workspaces.
Also the option e.g. to only those windows (not the whole application)
'always on top' can be useful (and it's good to have options)
Throw in the multitude of window managers out there and choice is really
wide.
Lorenzo 
21 Dec
21 Dec
8:41 p.m.
New subject: [OT]: Multiple windows paradigm - [WAS]: Re: A > Project To Upgrade seq24
On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 19:00:42 +0000
oli_kester <oli_kester(a)zoho.com> wrote:
Just really underlines that the choice is needed. Nobody should be pressurised
into using something that isn't right for them.
Sort of reminds me (very) many years ago at school, when lefthanded people were
forced to write with their right hands.
--
It wasn't me! (Well actually, it probably was)
... the hard part is not dodging what life throws at you,
but trying to catch the good bits.
Date: Thu, 10
Dec 2015 09:34:42 +0000
From: Will Godfrey <willgodfrey(a)musically.me.uk>
To: linux-audio-user(a)lists.linuxaudio.org
Subject: Re: [LAU] [OT]: Multiple windows paradigm - [WAS]: Re: A
Project To Upgrade seq24
On Thu, 10 Dec 2015 09:38:03 +0100
Lorenzo Sutton <lorenzofsutton(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Just weighing in on the single window debate -
Will, you're my favourite linux-audio-user, but I'm gonna have to disagree with
you on this one :P
I much prefer having one window by default - especially when on the road with a laptop -
BUT then being able to undock and reposition panes when I wish. I like the way Renoise
handles it (you can detatch the sample editor) and the way the video editor kdenlive does
it. Pretty much the IDE-like model people have mentioned.
As far as the technical details go (MDI and all that), I need to do some research.
Might have to do a poll of users at some point to see what people would prefer the
default to be.
Best,
Oliver On 09/12/2015 22:17, Louigi Verona wrote:
Precisely my view too. Also, I find that when presented with a huge mass of
controls all in one window it's much harder to focus on a specific function.
--
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. ...
A single window mode is very welcome. I don't understand this Linux
obsession with opening a zillion of windows.
Personally I find multiple windows a very nice distinctive feature on
Linux vs. other OSs, especially for complex applications which offer
different 'interaction paradigms'. An example is a sequencer : having a
new matrix window open possibly for multiple tracks is useful, having
another window for the score editing. Possibly putting those windows on
different workspaces.
Also the option e.g. to only those windows (not the whole application)
'always on top' can be useful (and it's good to have options)
Throw in the multitude of window managers out there and choice is really
wide.
Lorenzo 
9:12 p.m.
New subject: [OT]: Multiple windows paradigm - [WAS]: Re: A > Project To Upgrade seq24
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 19:41:08 +0000, Will J Godfrey wrote:
Just really underlines that the choice is needed.
Nobody should be pressurised
into using something that isn't right for them.
Large snip there, but I just want to mention that I was always disappointed
by the ZynAddSubFX GUI in that regard. Its fixed window size was always too
small to be useful to me. I don't use Linux music tools much these days, but
I fired Zyn.. up on my current high res. desktop and it takes up just 1/16th
of the available workspace.
A project to update that would be good as well.
--
9:23 p.m.
New subject: [OT]: Multiple windows paradigm - [WAS]: Re: A > Project To Upgrade seq24
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 20:12:26 +0000
John Murphy <rosegardener(a)freeode.co.uk> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 19:41:08 +0000, Will J Godfrey
wrote:
Many moons ago I heard about a project for placing a 'frame' over a window that
could then be resized and would act like a magnifier, also rescaling mouse
moves, but passing them on. I never found out what happened to it. I think it
was about the time when compositors were new and exciting.
--
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.
Just really underlines that the choice is needed.
Nobody should be pressurised
into using something that isn't right for them.
Large snip there, but I just want to mention that I was always disappointed
by the ZynAddSubFX GUI in that regard. Its fixed window size was always too
small to be useful to me. I don't use Linux music tools much these days, but
I fired Zyn.. up on my current high res. desktop and it takes up just 1/16th
of the available workspace.
A project to update that would be good as well. 
9:32 p.m.
New subject: [OT]: Multiple windows paradigm - [WAS]: Re: A > Project To Upgrade seq24
On 12/21/2015 09:12 PM, John Murphy wrote:
Large snip there, but I just want to mention that I
was always disappointed
by the ZynAddSubFX GUI in that regard. Its fixed window size was always too
small to be useful to me. I don't use Linux music tools much these days, but
I fired Zyn.. up on my current high res. desktop and it takes up just 1/16th
of the available workspace.
A project to update that would be good as well.
That's in the works: https://github.com/fundamental/zyn-ui-two
It will be based on these designs:
https://github.com/budislav/ZynAddSubFx-GUI-Design
But will stay multiple window, that's almost intrinsic to ZynAddSubFX ;)
Jeremy
10:27 p.m.
New subject: [OT]: Multiple windows paradigm - [WAS]: Re: A > Project To Upgrade seq24
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 21:32:35 +0100, Jeremy Jongepier wrote:
On 12/21/2015 09:12 PM, John Murphy wrote:
Aha! Very nice. I wonder if "constraint based layout" means fixed size.
Seems the preferred design for many virtual synths (Arturia and D16 LuSH101)
on other OSs as well as PianoTeq, but they do sometimes provide an option
for a larger size interface. Even a few different sizes for Pianoteq.
--
Large snip there, but I just want to mention that
I was always disappointed
by the ZynAddSubFX GUI in that regard. Its fixed window size was always too
small to be useful to me. I don't use Linux music tools much these days, but
I fired Zyn.. up on my current high res. desktop and it takes up just 1/16th
of the available workspace.
A project to update that would be good as well.
That's in the works: https://github.com/fundamental/zyn-ui-two
It will be based on these designs:
https://github.com/budislav/ZynAddSubFx-GUI-Design
But will stay multiple window, that's almost intrinsic to ZynAddSubFX ;)
Jeremy
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