14 Mar
2012
14 Mar
'12
1:41 p.m.
The attached file is a Bach fugue midi I found somewhere on the net.
When I import it into nted it shows alright (ignoring sharp flat mixups)
When I import it into musescore the entire bass is replicated into the
treble clef.
Asking on the musescore lists I get that the problem is with the midi file
http://musescore.org/en/node/15501
I am recommended to use sequencing software to cleanup before importing.
What such software should I try to use?
[I am asking this after wrestling with rosegarden for an hour or so and
getting no sound]
14 Mar
14 Mar
1:54 p.m.
On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 18:11:17 +0530
Rustom Mody <rustompmody(a)gmail.com> wrote:
[I am asking this after wrestling with rosegarden for
an hour or so
and getting no sound]
Hi, sorry if this is obvious to you, but just in case, you'd
probably need a soundfont (like fluidr3) and a soundfont player (like
qsynth) to have sound - maybe rosegarden has a built-in soundfont
player? Anyway you should be able to make it output the midi of the
track to qsynth (using qjackctl), and therefore have sound.
HTH,
renato
2:42 p.m.
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Renato <rennabh(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 18:11:17 +0530
Rustom Mody <rustompmody(a)gmail.com> wrote:
HI Renato
Nothing's very obvious to me and all help is much appreciated!
I start qjackctl and qsynth and rosegarden (in that order?)
I have soundfonts loaded into qsynth as well as rosegarden (dunno which is
correct)
I would expect to be able to connect rosegarden out to qsynth in.
Cant seem to do that because: audio tab of qjackctl only has qsynth on left
(readable/output) but not on right so cannot wire rosegarden into qsynth
In an earlier mail Paul had suggested I use a2jmidid -e
That makes a2j appear in midi tab whose output I can connect to qsynth but
that does not help
[I am asking this after wrestling with rosegarden
for an hour or so
and getting no sound]
Hi, sorry if this is obvious to you, but just in case, you'd
probably need a soundfont (like fluidr3) and a soundfont player (like
qsynth) to have sound - maybe rosegarden has a built-in soundfont
player? Anyway you should be able to make it output the midi of the
track to qsynth (using qjackctl), and therefore have sound.
HTH,
renato
3:51 p.m.
On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 19:12:12 +0530
Rustom Mody <rustompmody(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Renato
<rennabh(a)gmail.com> wrote:
yep, those are the audio ports - BTW, in those you have to make sure
qsynth is connected to "system out", in order to hear the sounds
qsynth will produce. For making midi connections, you have to go in the
"Alsa" tab in qjackctl, and there you should have rosegarden in the
left and qsynth in the right pane.
HTH,
renato
On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 18:11:17 +0530
Rustom Mody <rustompmody(a)gmail.com> wrote:
HI Renato
Nothing's very obvious to me and all help is much appreciated!
I start qjackctl and qsynth and rosegarden (in that order?)
I have soundfonts loaded into qsynth as well as rosegarden (dunno
which is correct)
I would expect to be able to connect rosegarden out to qsynth in.
Cant seem to do that because: audio tab of qjackctl only has qsynth
on left (readable/output) but not on right so cannot wire rosegarden
into qsynth
[I am asking this after wrestling with rosegarden
for an hour or
so and getting no sound]
Hi, sorry if this is obvious to you, but just in case, you'd
probably need a soundfont (like fluidr3) and a soundfont player
(like qsynth) to have sound - maybe rosegarden has a built-in
soundfont player? Anyway you should be able to make it output the
midi of the track to qsynth (using qjackctl), and therefore have
sound.
HTH,
renato
7:50 p.m.
On 03/14/2012 04:48 AM, Renato wrote:
On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 19:12:12 +0530
Rustom Mody<rustompmody(a)gmail.com> wrote:
My experience with Rosegarden 11.11.42 is that it automatically connects
to synths like qsynth. The only time I've had to connect anything to
qsynth manually is if I want to connect my keyboard to qsynth rather
than going through RG.
--
David
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 6:21 PM,
Renato<rennabh(a)gmail.com> wrote:
yep, those are the audio ports - BTW, in those you have to make sure
qsynth is connected to "system out", in order to hear the sounds
qsynth will produce. For making midi connections, you have to go in the
"Alsa" tab in qjackctl, and there you should have rosegarden in the
left and qsynth in the right pane. On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 18:11:17 +0530
Rustom Mody<rustompmody(a)gmail.com> wrote:
HI Renato
Nothing's very obvious to me and all help is much appreciated!
I start qjackctl and qsynth and rosegarden (in that order?)
I have soundfonts loaded into qsynth as well as rosegarden (dunno
which is correct)
I would expect to be able to connect rosegarden out to qsynth in.
Cant seem to do that because: audio tab of qjackctl only has qsynth
on left (readable/output) but not on right so cannot wire rosegarden
into qsynth [I am asking this after wrestling with rosegarden
for an hour or
so and getting no sound]
Hi, sorry if this is obvious to you, but just in case, you'd
probably need a soundfont (like fluidr3) and a soundfont player
(like qsynth) to have sound - maybe rosegarden has a built-in
soundfont player? Anyway you should be able to make it output the
midi of the track to qsynth (using qjackctl), and therefore have
sound.
HTH,
renato
7:52 p.m.
On 03/14/2012 03:42 AM, Rustom Mody wrote:
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Renato <rennabh(a)gmail.com
<mailto:rennabh@gmail.com>> wrote:
On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 18:11:17 +0530
Rustom Mody <rustompmody(a)gmail.com <mailto:rustompmody@gmail.com>>
wrote:
I've never loaded soundfonts into Rosegarden, never needed to.
[I am asking this after wrestling with rosegarden
for an hour or so
and getting no sound]
Hi, sorry if this is obvious to you, but just in case, you'd
probably need a soundfont (like fluidr3) and a soundfont player (like
qsynth) to have sound - maybe rosegarden has a built-in soundfont
player? Anyway you should be able to make it output the midi of the
track to qsynth (using qjackctl), and therefore have sound.
HTH,
renato
HI Renato
Nothing's very obvious to me and all help is much appreciated!
I start qjackctl and qsynth and rosegarden (in that order?)
I have soundfonts loaded into qsynth as well as rosegarden (dunno which
is correct) I would expect to be able to connect rosegarden out to
qsynth in.
Cant seem to do that because: audio tab of qjackctl only has qsynth on
left (readable/output) but not on right so cannot wire rosegarden into
qsynth
In an earlier mail Paul had suggested I use a2jmidid -e
That makes a2j appear in midi tab whose output I can connect to qsynth
but that does not help
--
David
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
7:56 p.m.
On 03/14/2012 02:51 AM, Renato wrote:
On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 18:11:17 +0530
Rustom Mody<rustompmody(a)gmail.com> wrote:
No, it doesn't. That's what qsynth, whysynth or Timidity (if you can
make it work) is for.
[I am asking this after wrestling with rosegarden
for an hour or so
and getting no sound]
Hi, sorry if this is obvious to you, but just in case, you'd
probably need a soundfont (like fluidr3) and a soundfont player (like
qsynth) to have sound - maybe rosegarden has a built-in soundfont
player? Anyway you should be able to make it output the midi
of the
track to qsynth (using qjackctl), and therefore have sound.
RG 11.11.42 just automatically connects.
I use RG mostly for scores. Bringing in a MIDI file usually requires
some cleanup. For one thing, RG prefers contrapuntal compositions to
have a separate track for each of the melodies, while lots of MIDIs from
the web have all the melodies on the same track.
--
David
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
8:03 p.m.
On 03/14/2012 07:56 PM, david wrote:
On 03/14/2012 02:51 AM, Renato wrote:
Maybe it's more easy to load a dssi plugin (fluidsynth dssi) in rosegarden.
\r
On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 18:11:17 +0530
Rustom Mody<rustompmody(a)gmail.com> wrote:
No, it doesn't. That's what qsynth, whysynth or Timidity (if you can
make it work) is for.
[I am asking this after wrestling with rosegarden
for an hour or so
and getting no sound]
Hi, sorry if this is obvious to you, but just in case, you'd
probably need a soundfont (like fluidr3) and a soundfont player (like
qsynth) to have sound - maybe rosegarden has a built-in soundfont
player? Anyway you should be able to make it output the
midi of the
track to qsynth (using qjackctl), and therefore have sound.
RG 11.11.42 just automatically connects.
I use RG mostly for scores. Bringing in a MIDI file usually requires
some cleanup. For one thing, RG prefers contrapuntal compositions to
have a separate track for each of the melodies, while lots of MIDIs from
the web have all the melodies on the same track.
15 Mar
15 Mar
4:55 a.m.
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 12:26 AM, david <gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
On 03/14/2012 02:51 AM, Renato wrote:
I upgraded rosegarden, gave up on qsynth and (re)started timidity to use
jack.
Now rosegarden plays without any new connection -- so thanks.
On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 18:11:17 +0530
Rustom Mody<rustompmody(a)gmail.com> wrote:
[I am asking this after wrestling with rosegarden for an hour or so
No, it doesn't. That's what qsynth, whysynth or Timidity (if you can make
it work) is for. and getting no sound]
Hi, sorry if this is obvious to you, but just in case, you'd
probably need a soundfont (like fluidr3) and a soundfont player (like
qsynth) to have sound - maybe rosegarden has a built-in soundfont
player?
Anyway you should be able to make it output the midi of the
So how to cleanup? I only see one staff at a time.
Basic questions: Is rosegarden the (correct) tool to edit/doctor midi files?
Whats the best resource to get into midi jargon like track, channel etc?
And then map it onto rosegarden?
track to qsynth (using qjackctl), and therefore
have sound.
RG 11.11.42 just automatically connects.
I use RG mostly for scores. Bringing in a MIDI file usually requires some
cleanup. For one thing, RG prefers contrapuntal compositions to have a
separate track for each of the melodies, while lots of MIDIs from the web
have all the melodies on the same track. 
7:08 a.m.
Le 15/03/2012 04:55, Rustom Mody a écrit :
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 12:26 AM, david <gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
<mailto:gnome@hawaii.rr.com>> wrote:
On 03/14/2012 02:51 AM, Renato wrote:
On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 18:11:17 +0530
Rustom Mody<rustompmody(a)gmail.com
<mailto:rustompmody@gmail.com>> wrote:
[I am asking this after wrestling with rosegarden for an
hour or so
and getting no sound]
Hi, sorry if this is obvious to you, but just in case, you'd
probably need a soundfont (like fluidr3) and a soundfont
player (like
qsynth) to have sound - maybe rosegarden has a built-in soundfont
player?
No, it doesn't. That's what qsynth, whysynth or Timidity (if you
can make it work) is for.
I upgraded rosegarden, gave up on qsynth and (re)started timidity to
use jack.
Now rosegarden plays without any new connection -- so thanks.
Anyway you should be able to make it output the midi of the
track to qsynth (using qjackctl), and therefore have sound.
RG 11.11.42 just automatically connects.
I use RG mostly for scores. Bringing in a MIDI file usually
requires some cleanup. For one thing, RG prefers contrapuntal
compositions to have a separate track for each of the melodies,
while lots of MIDIs from the web have all the melodies on the same
track.
So how to cleanup? I only see one staff at a time.
Basic questions: Is rosegarden the (correct) tool to edit/doctor midi
files?
Whats the best resource to get into midi jargon like track, channel
etc? And then map it onto rosegarden?
Hi,
you may like to read
http://wiki.linuxmusicians.com/doku.php?id=manuals_tutorials_and_howto_s#ro…
HTH,
Fred
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On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 11:36 AM, Fred <f.rech(a)yahoo.fr> wrote:
**
Le 15/03/2012 04:55, Rustom Mody a écrit :
<snipped>
So how to cleanup? I only see one staff at a time.
Basic questions: Is rosegarden the (correct) tool to edit/doctor midi
files?
Whats the best resource to get into midi jargon like track, channel etc?
And then map it onto rosegarden?
Hi,
you may like to read
http://wiki.linuxmusicians.com/doku.php?id=manuals_tutorials_and_howto_s#ro…
HTH,
Fred
Thanks Fred. I am studying that -- and making some progress :-)
14 Mar
14 Mar
2:01 p.m.
On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 18:11:17 +0530
Rustom Mody <rustompmody(a)gmail.com> wrote:
The attached file is a Bach fugue midi I found
somewhere on the net.
When I import it into nted it shows alright (ignoring sharp flat mixups)
When I import it into musescore the entire bass is replicated into the
treble clef.
Asking on the musescore lists I get that the problem is with the midi file
http://musescore.org/en/node/15501
I am recommended to use sequencing software to cleanup before importing.
What such software should I try to use?
[I am asking this after wrestling with rosegarden for an hour or so and
getting no sound]
There is only one problem here: "midi I found somewhere on the net."
The solution is: Don't convert midi to notation, it makes no sense and is futile.
What you got here is
Bach, Das Wohltemperierte Clavier I, Fuga IV (BWV 849)
Visit http://www.mutopiaproject.org/cgibin/piece-info.cgi?id=596 and you get the notation
as PDF, the lilypond source file, a midi and more information.
3:09 p.m.
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 6:31 PM, Nils <list(a)nilsgey.de> wrote:
On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 18:11:17 +0530
Rustom Mody <rustompmody(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Nils
Yes I am aware that midi is a lower level information than score.
I did not make it very clear in my question earlier (sorry about that) that
this particular piece
-- bach C# minor fugue --
is not specifically important to me as working out a workflow which allows
lifting a given midi to a higher score level. Nted does a decent job of
this. Musescore less so. Just searching for the best tool.
Earlier I used nted exclusively. Since now I have a bunch of non-musician
non-linux users getting interested I need something cross platform -- hence
musescore.
Currently my modus operandi (when starting with a midi file):
Read into nted.
Export midi staff by staff separately.
Read each of those midis separately into musescore
Paste together.
And so I am just looking for some better tools...
The attached file is a Bach fugue midi I found
somewhere on the net.
When I import it into nted it shows alright (ignoring sharp flat mixups)
When I import it into musescore the entire bass is replicated into the
treble clef.
Asking on the musescore lists I get that the problem is with the midi
file
http://musescore.org/en/node/15501
I am recommended to use sequencing software to cleanup before importing.
What such software should I try to use?
[I am asking this after wrestling with rosegarden for an hour or so and
getting no sound]
There is only one problem here: "midi I found somewhere on the net."
The solution is: Don't convert midi to notation, it makes no sense and is
futile.
What you got here is
Bach, Das Wohltemperierte Clavier I, Fuga IV (BWV 849)
Visit http://www.mutopiaproject.org/cgibin/piece-info.cgi?id=596 and you
get the notation as PDF, the lilypond source file, a midi and more
information.
16 Mar
16 Mar
11:41 a.m.
Hi,
On 14/03/12 13:41, Rustom Mody wrote:
The attached file is a Bach fugue midi I found
somewhere on the net.
When I import it into nted it shows alright (ignoring sharp flat mixups)
When I import it into musescore the entire bass is replicated into the
treble clef.
Asking on the musescore lists I get that the problem is with the midi
file http://musescore.org/en/node/15501
That is correct. Whoever (or whatever)
sequenced that did (for some
reason) strange things. I agree with Neils who suggested be *very*
cautious with midi found on the net. I would add: otherwise accept the
fact you'll have to work on it quite a bit. Ideally you should have at
least a scanning of the original source.
I am recommended to use sequencing software to cleanup
before importing.
What such software should I try to use?
[I am asking this after wrestling with rosegarden for an hour or so
and getting no sound]
With Rosegarden (as in most sequencers) you have 2 options to
'make sound':
1. Load a soundfont in Rosegarden by:
- assigning a 'Synth Plugin' as a device to the tracks
- select the Fluidsynth DSSI plugin (which has to be installed on your
system)
- From the fluidsynth interface you then pick a sf2 sound.
2. Connect Rosegarden's 'General Midi' output to an external synth (e.g.
Qsynth, Linuxsampler) baring in mind that Rosegarden will only connect
through alsa midi, so if your synth only does jack midi you need to use
a bridge like aj2 (as Paul already suggested).
Unless I have to do quick listening (e.g. of a MIDI file) I prefer
option 2, because it leaves the .rg file more portable. E.g. if you save
a file with the fluidsynth plugin and you try to open it on a system
where it is not installed Rosegarden will complain. Additionally option
1. is very limiting in that you cannot have multiple midi instruments
per soundfont.
Anyway, I think you were on the right track with trying to use
Rosegarden for the MIDI and notation, because as a sequencer it has very
nice notation support and pretty decent lilypond export. Your Mileage
May Vary.
Lorenzo.
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