22 May
2005
22 May
'05
7:34 p.m.
I wonder if anyone could suggest some useful settings for a couple of plugins.
I'm working with Ardour right now.
I want to use SC4 to essentially 'flatten out' a vocal take. I know such
approaches are generally frowned on around here, but the take has a large
dynamic range and it simply won't sit right in the mix any other way. I'm
really not sure where to put the threshold and compression ration to achieve
this kind of effect and I could do with some guidelines on attack, decay and
knee settings. It's a pop song, and yes I really do want it to sound like
that. any ideas?
The other issue is stereo reverb. What I want is a little pre-delay followed
by a long _smooth_ tail. Putting freeverb across the master track inputs just
sounds like I dropped the band in a bucket. There must be a way of doing
this. Would it be the way to make a separate stereo track for the reverb? I
notice some plugins don't have any signal mix control. I have also noticed
that many of the TAP plugins make bad broken noises in Ardour, should I not
be using them in this environment?
Any thoughts, experiences, pointers etc. gratefully received. I reckon I'll be
posting some oggs up soon at this rate. ;)
cheers,
tim hall
http://glastonburymusic.org.uk
22 May
22 May
9:24 p.m.
On Sun, May 22, 2005 at 10:34:30PM +0100, tim hall wrote:
I want to use SC4 to essentially 'flatten out'
a vocal take. I know such
approaches are generally frowned on around here,
are they?
but the take has a large
dynamic range and it simply won't sit right in the mix any other way. I'm
really not sure where to put the threshold and compression ration to achieve
this kind of effect and I could do with some guidelines on attack, decay and
knee settings. It's a pop song, and yes I really do want it to sound like
that. any ideas?
Sure, here's what I do.
Start with the compression ratio around 4-5 (that's plenty - it may
be more than you need but that helps you dial in the other controls).
You won't actually hear any compression until you turn down the threshold
level, so do that now. Gradually turn it it down until you start hearing
(and seeing on the meter) some gain reduction whenever the voice
is actually singing. When you like the sound, add some makeup gain
until the overall level is good.
The default attack/release settings are maybe slow for vocals, so I turn
them down a bit - attack to about 20, release to about 150.
So far I have not needed to tweak the "knee" parameter.
For my own stuff I don't tend to like really obvious compression except
as an occasional deliberate effect. So once I've got a sound I like,
I then tend to reduce the compression ratio gradually until I think it could
maybe use a little more, and at that point I leave it alone :-)
Maybe come back to it later and see if I still like it.
But if I'm trying to sound like pop radio, I might go the other
way and set the compression ratio to something severe like 10:1.
There's some good guidelines to be found all over the net...
http://www.alesis.com/support/faqs/masterlink_comp_app.html
http://www.digido.com/portal/pmodule_id=11/pmdmode=fullscreen/pageadder_pag…
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Paul Winkler
http://www.slinkp.com
23 May
23 May
8:26 a.m.
Last Monday 23 May 2005 00:24, Paul Winkler was like:
There's some good guidelines to be found all over
the net...
http://www.alesis.com/support/faqs/masterlink_comp_app.html
http://www.digido.com/portal/pmodule_id=11/pmdmode=fullscreen/pageadder_pag
e_id=51/
Thanks Paul & Ron, that's got me off the starting blocks. I had actually
forgotten that there are people out there making music not using GNU/Linux ;)
I like this recording business, I particularly enjoy not having to argue the
toss with the engineer, or someone who thinks they're a producer. Finally I'm
starting to hear my songs something like the way they were intended.
Yay!
tim hall
http://glastonburymusic.org.uk
8:12 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LADSPA hints
On Sun, 22 May 2005 22:34:30 +0100, tim hall
<tech(a)glastonburymusic.org.uk> wrote:
[...] I have also noticed that many of the TAP plugins
make
bad broken noises in Ardour, should I not be using them in
this environment?
Hi,
could you elaborate on this? TAP plugins are especially written
to be used within Ardour. As their author I also use them a lot
for my own mixing. Also, I haven't received any bug reports since
the last release.
Unfortunately I haven't had the time lately to keep up with Ardour
CVS, I'm running a latest-or-so beta. But I don't imagine LADSPA
functionality would have changed lately in a fundamental way.
I also use the plugins in Aqualung (a music player, also authored
by moi), there are no problems I know of ATM.
So I'm definitely interested in your problems.
Tom
8:44 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LADSPA hints
Last Monday 23 May 2005 11:16, Tom Szilagyi was like:
could you elaborate on this? TAP plugins are
especially written
to be used within Ardour. As their author I also use them a lot
for my own mixing. Also, I haven't received any bug reports since
the last release.
Unfortunately I haven't had the time lately to keep up with Ardour
CVS, I'm running a latest-or-so beta. But I don't imagine LADSPA
functionality would have changed lately in a fundamental way.
Ah, OK. I'm using Ardour-0.9beta29 on a 600MHz Celeron processor with 256M
RAM. Soundcards: Intel Corp. 82801AA AC'97 Audio and Ensoniq ES1371
[AudioPCI-97]. So I'm guessing that my problems might be related to lack of
available resources. That's a shame as your plugins tend to provide the kind
of effects I'm generally looking for. If you think that _shouldn't_ be a
problem I'll provide a more detailed report, but I think I'm probably pushing
the limits already. ;)
cheers,
tim hall
http://glastonburymusic.org.uk
2:27 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LADSPA hints
On Mon, May 23, 2005 at 11:44:20AM +0100, tim hall wrote:
Ah, OK. I'm using Ardour-0.9beta29 on a 600MHz
Celeron processor with 256M
RAM. Soundcards: Intel Corp. 82801AA AC'97 Audio and Ensoniq ES1371
[AudioPCI-97]. So I'm guessing that my problems might be related to lack of
available resources. That's a shame as your plugins tend to provide the kind
of effects I'm generally looking for. If you think that _shouldn't_ be a
problem I'll provide a more detailed report, but I think I'm probably pushing
the limits already. ;)
I haven't had that problem with TAP plugins 0.7 on ardour 0.9beta29.
The big issue I've noticed lately is that the Dynamics & Reverberator
plugins won't allow me to select all of the presets. No matter what I
select, I get one of the same few presets.
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Paul Winkler
http://www.slinkp.com
3:15 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LADSPA hints
On Mon, May 23, 2005 at 12:27:31PM -0400, Paul Winkler wrote:
I haven't had that problem with TAP plugins 0.7 on ardour 0.9beta29.
The big issue I've noticed lately is that the Dynamics & Reverberator
plugins won't allow me to select all of the presets. No matter what I
select, I get one of the same few presets.
A known issue, caused by a bug in past versions of liblrdf.
Please upgrade to version 0.4.0 (from http://sourceforge.net/projects/lrdf)
and the problem will disappear.
Tom
3:26 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LADSPA hints
On Mon, May 23, 2005 at 12:27:31PM -0400, Paul Winkler wrote:
The big issue I've noticed lately is that the
Dynamics & Reverberator
plugins won't allow me to select all of the presets. No matter what I
select, I get one of the same few presets.
.... this appears to be solved by upgrading liblrdf to version 0.4.0.
(I'm on gentoo, this was easily done by adding media-libs/liblrdf ~x86
to my /etc/portage/package.keywords.)
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Paul Winkler
http://www.slinkp.com
4:16 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: LADSPA hints
While we're on the LADSPA plugins topic, I've wondered for a long
time now why I see every plugin listed twice in the effects pull-down
menu of Audacity. Any ideas?
Thanks.....
P.S.: For those who haven't seen it, there are some nice SWH plugin
docs here: http://plugin.org.uk/ladspa-swh/docs/ladspa-swh.html
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