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2004
12 Mar
'04
3:01 p.m.
On Friday 12 March 2004 12:17 pm, Polashek, Matthew wrote:
Interesting idea, however I don't feel that any
problems are solved by
doing that. I am interested in using only one mixer for both monitors and
mains.
What do you consider "a tiny bit"?
Your milage will vary ;) It depends on the positions of the monitors,
how loud they are, how loud the sound sources are, and how picky the
musicians are. It's just that it's much harder to get away with delay in the
monitors than it is in the mains. If you can make it work, more power to
you!
I wish you well in your endeavor!
(Just FYI, I'm leaving town in a few minutes, so I won't have e-mail again
until Monday.)
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12 Mar
12 Mar
5:07 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] latency
On Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 11:58:59AM -0600, Benjamin Flaming wrote:
On Friday 12 March 2004 12:17 pm, Polashek, Matthew
wrote:
Indeed. Rule of thumb - 1 ms delay is roughly equal to the delay
caused by 1 foot of distance. Aside from messing with the musicians'
groove, a few ms delay can cause comb filtering when combined with direct
sound from whatever the mics are pointing at. This can result in
smeary-sounding treble and mushy bass.
Personally, for my sense of timing, I think I can put up with anything
under about 10 ms but I get really annoyed above that.
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Interesting idea, however I don't feel that
any problems are solved by
doing that. I am interested in using only one mixer for both monitors and
mains.
What do you consider "a tiny bit"?
Your milage will vary ;) It depends on the positions of the monitors,
how loud they are, how loud the sound sources are, and how picky the
musicians are. It's just that it's much harder to get away with delay in the
monitors than it is in the mains. 
11:02 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] latency
On Fri, 2004-03-12 at 13:02, Paul Winkler wrote:
On Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 11:58:59AM -0600, Benjamin
Flaming wrote:
I have been using my laptop (Dell 650Mhz w/ 256 RAM) for fx on the PA
only. At first I was using Ardour as host but now Alsa Modular synth
because I can control FX with midi foot pedal (Small duo with midi
backing and live guitars / vocals) This is working very well for
standard Reverbs, delay and hopefully soon some vocoder stuff. But
messing with latencies, etc, I cannot see using this setup at this time
as a complete mixing solution. I can deal with anything under 10ms too
but it just doesnt help your groove at all! I'm a one man band and if I
need to pull something down or up quickly in volume, I need a knob to
grab...not fiddle with a mouse. Secondly, the stock soundcard in my Dell
(ESS Maestro3) I doubt would handle it well. And the lack of I/O's is
obviously an issue. I intend on trying a Echo Layla or maybe Delta 66 at
some point but for now my Linux laptop and LADSPA plugs is giving me
great flexibilty and sound, reliably, and a box to do this would easily
have cost toward $500.00 new. The laptop was a spare and Linux is NIX!
I'm happy!!
R~
On Friday 12 March 2004 12:17 pm, Polashek,
Matthew wrote:
Indeed. Rule of thumb - 1 ms delay is roughly equal to the delay
caused by 1 foot of distance. Aside from messing with the musicians'
groove, a few ms delay can cause comb filtering when combined with direct
sound from whatever the mics are pointing at. This can result in
smeary-sounding treble and mushy bass.
Personally, for my sense of timing, I think I can put up with anything
under about 10 ms but I get really annoyed above that. Interesting idea, however I don't feel that
any problems are solved by
doing that. I am interested in using only one mixer for both monitors and
mains.
What do you consider "a tiny bit"?
Your milage will vary ;) It depends on the positions of the monitors,
how loud they are, how loud the sound sources are, and how picky the
musicians are. It's just that it's much harder to get away with delay in the
monitors than it is in the mains. 
13 Mar
13 Mar
8:49 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] latency
On Saturday 13 March 2004 03:55, Russell Hanaghan wrote:
grab...not fiddle with a mouse. Secondly, the stock
soundcard in my Dell
(ESS Maestro3) I doubt would handle it well. And the lack of I/O's is
Which latencies do you reach with this soundcard?
Arnold
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