30 May
2006
30 May
'06
6:15 p.m.
Hi.
Thank you again for the very nice things you said about the last
tracks :). I'd like to submit three last ones to your listening, hoping
for all kind of thoughts and advices, especially which could help me
improving the sound, the mix, and also the use of Jamin. Then I hope I'll
be ready to release this music on a web site, of course under a free
licence, with some other tracks.
First, a (very) personnal version of a very well known song :
http://ypotin.nerim.net/astronomy_domine.ogg (Syd Barett) 5,7 M
Then, an arrangement I wrote of a jazz standard :
http://ypotin.nerim.net/lennies_pennies.ogg (Lennie Tristano) 5,4 M
Finally, a more personnal track, a bit long, about which I'd
be really glad to hear your comments :
http://ypotin.nerim.net/oceaniques.ogg 11,4 M
Thanks in advance for any kind of thoughts about all this, and my
apologies if my English is rarely as clear as I'd liked it to be :).
Best,
Y.
30 May
30 May
7:01 p.m.
Yves Potin said:
Then, an arrangement I wrote of a jazz standard :
http://ypotin.nerim.net/lennies_pennies.ogg (Lennie Tristano) 5,4 M
Must say i love this track!
Is it you soloing?
The guitar part that is.
How did you do the drums?
They sounded a little too rigid for my liking, a little too perfect for jazz!
Finally, a more personnal track, a bit long,
about which I'd
be really glad to hear your comments :
http://ypotin.nerim.net/oceaniques.ogg 11,4 M
Shall listen to this one as soon as i
get time
Thanks in advance for any kind of thoughts
about all this, and my
apologies if my English is rarely as clear as I'd liked it to be :).
Best,
Chris
Y.
7:20 p.m.
On 5/30/06, Yves Potin <yves_p(a)nnx.com> wrote:
Hi.
Thank you again for the very nice things you said about the last
tracks :). I'd like to submit three last ones to your listening, hoping
for all kind of thoughts and advices, especially which could help me
improving the sound, the mix, and also the use of Jamin. Then I hope I'll
be ready to release this music on a web site, of course under a free
licence, with some other tracks.
First, a (very) personnal version of a very well known song :
http://ypotin.nerim.net/astronomy_domine.ogg (Syd Barett) 5,7 M
Then, an arrangement I wrote of a jazz standard :
http://ypotin.nerim.net/lennies_pennies.ogg (Lennie Tristano) 5,4 M
Finally, a more personnal track, a bit long, about which I'd
be really glad to hear your comments :
http://ypotin.nerim.net/oceaniques.ogg 11,4 M
Thanks in advance for any kind of thoughts about all this, and my
apologies if my English is rarely as clear as I'd liked it to be :).
Best,
Y.
Hi Yves,
Good stuff all around. I hadn't heard this specific Floyd track in
years. Very good work on your part.
Lennies Pennies rocked along quite nicely. Good soloing. Good
overall mix, at least for a first listen.
Oceaniques ended up being just a bit too free form for me this
afternoon. Good stuff though. Lots of interesting sounds. I liked the
overall mix a lot. I thought a few times I'd like some of the lead
synths to have a bit more resonance in their sounds. They sometimes
sounded a bit muted or slightly nasal against the stringed
instruments. (What is the string in the middle - around 6 minutes?)
Overall good stuff to listen to.
thanks,
Mark
8:28 p.m.
el Tue, 30 May 2006 22:15:20 +0200
yves_p(a)nnx.com (Yves Potin) escribió:
Then, an arrangement I wrote of a jazz
standard :
http://ypotin.nerim.net/lennies_pennies.ogg (Lennie Tristano) 5,4 M
mighty curious version indeed... to my knowledge, the only existing
recording of tristano playing "lennie's pennies" was made with his
quintet (with alumni warne marsh and lee konitz), during the famous concert
in toronto in 1952.
"lennie's pennies" itself is a not too obvious elaboration on "pennies
from
heaven", that would be the real standard here. the most notable
modification in the chord progression is that tristano changed the major
mode of the original to minor. (BTW, he recorded a tune under the name
"pennies in minor" in 1955, also with konitz, but i don't have those
recordings, so i don't know if it's the same tune. i would think it is.)
well, i guess i've been pedantic enough for today, so i'd better make some
comments. one negative comment is that the synthesizer sound at the end of
the introduction before the entrance of the guitar (about second 40) sounds
a bit cheesy to my taste, but i guess it's part of the style. very good
guitar work, although i'm not to much into jazz-rock or fusion. but i
suppose it's not your intention to sound like billy bauer...
good work, thanks for sharing.
31 May
31 May
6:43 a.m.
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 10:15:20PM +0200, Yves Potin wrote:
First, a (very) personnal version of a very
well known song :
http://ypotin.nerim.net/astronomy_domine.ogg (Syd Barett) 5,7 M
Very nice. That morse code synth is a bit piercing, I would prefer
it to be either a bit lower volume or more percussive to be less
painfull (but still sharp). The singing is maybe a bit far away.
Then, an arrangement I wrote of a jazz
standard :
http://ypotin.nerim.net/lennies_pennies.ogg (Lennie Tristano) 5,4 M
I'm not into jazz that much, but it sounds all in place to me ;)
Finally, a more personnal track, a bit long,
about which I'd
be really glad to hear your comments :
http://ypotin.nerim.net/oceaniques.ogg 11,4 M
It's hard to follow for me, but sounds very free and spontaneous.
I don't like the synth-voice much, as it appears very flat in this
context.
---
Thorsten Wilms
8:40 a.m.
On Tuesday 30 May 2006 21:15, Yves Potin was like:
Hi.
Thank you again for the very nice things you said about the last
tracks :). I'd like to submit three last ones to your listening, hoping
for all kind of thoughts and advices, especially which could help me
improving the sound, the mix, and also the use of Jamin. Then I hope I'll
be ready to release this music on a web site, of course under a free
licence, with some other tracks.
First, a (very) personnal version of a very well known song :
http://ypotin.nerim.net/astronomy_domine.ogg (Syd Barett) 5,7 M
It's hard to listen to a cover of this song as the original has such a
peculiar numinous quality that has little to do with the notes played. This
is how Tim Blake would do it I guess. I was looking forward to a bit more
guitar. It's all far too clean for my tastes.
Then, an arrangement I wrote of a jazz
standard :
http://ypotin.nerim.net/lennies_pennies.ogg (Lennie Tristano) 5,4 M
I started liking this around 2:14. It's a bit nebulous up to this point. Great
horns, if a little synthy.
Finally, a more personnal track, a bit long,
about which I'd
be really glad to hear your comments :
http://ypotin.nerim.net/oceaniques.ogg 11,4 M
I'm not over-keen on the lead synth voice in the first part. It sounds like it
would benefit from a real instrument. In fact that would be my greatest
complaint of the whole piece, really, your choice of synth sounds. The
writing is great and the more organic sounds work well, but the synth sounds
are like a cheesy keyboard demo, which doesn't do your music justice.
Thanks in advance for any kind of thoughts
about all this, and my
apologies if my English is rarely as clear as I'd liked it to be :).
Your music speaks clearly enough. :)
--
cheers,
tim
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--
cheers,
tim hall
http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim
We are the people We've been waiting for.
10:52 a.m.
On Wed, 2006-05-31 at 11:40 +0100, tim hall wrote:
It's hard to listen to a cover of this song as the
original has such a
peculiar numinous quality that has little to do with the notes played. This
is how Tim Blake would do it I guess. I was looking forward to a bit more
whoa! did somebody just say Tim Blake? Crystal Machine!! Cosmic Eggs!
VCS3's! make that ARP2600 twinkle! woohoo!
seriously though, "New Jerusalem" is a standout of its genre. whatever
its genre actually is :)
--p
1 Jun
1 Jun
8:04 a.m.
On Wednesday 31 May 2006 13:52, Paul Davis was like:
On Wed, 2006-05-31 at 11:40 +0100, tim hall wrote:
!-)
I have still never heard anything that comes close to those filters. I confess
to being a big fan of resonant filter sweeps. You can blame Blakey for that.
OK, and Basil & Tom Brooks, Gwyo, Gavin "da Blitz" and Joie Hinton too.
It's hard to listen to a cover of this song
as the original has such a
peculiar numinous quality that has little to do with the notes played.
This is how Tim Blake would do it I guess. I was looking forward to a bit
more
whoa! did somebody just say Tim Blake? Crystal Machine!! Cosmic Eggs!
VCS3's! make that ARP2600 twinkle! woohoo! seriously though, "New Jerusalem" is a
standout of its genre. whatever
its genre actually is :)
New-age synth music, really. I regard him as one of the original synth
pioneers along with Tangerine Dream and the BBC radiophonic workshop.
I can report that he is miraculously still alive, he came and played at my
venue last year, So I actually got to see Tim Blake play _in_ New Jerusalem,
which was nice. ;) We had something like 3 VCS3's in the building and one of
the original synthi100's on that day (not all his I might add).
Tim's set included a cover of "Spirit of the Age" - Yves reworking of
Astronomy Domine reminded me of this in approach.
--
cheers,
tim hall
http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim
We are the people We've been waiting for.
31 May
31 May
7:09 p.m.
Hi :).
Thank you very much, Chris, Mark, Luis, Thorsten and Tim for the
comments about these tracks. I take permission to respond in a single
message not to flood the list :
Le 31 May à 11:40, tim hall ecrivait:
[Astronomy Domine]
It's hard to listen to a cover of this song as the
original has such a
peculiar numinous quality that has little to do with the notes played. This
is how Tim Blake would do it I guess. I was looking forward to a bit more
guitar. It's all far too clean for my tastes.
Well, I was waiting for even more angry comments for having made a
version without guitar and drums, and with a woman voice. I didn't said it
was a kind of troll but it was the feeling :)). Tim, I'm glad you liked
the No Joe track, either.
[Lennies's pennies]
I started liking this around 2:14. It's a bit
nebulous up to this point. Great
horns, if a little synthy.
Thanks for the listening. Luis, I absolutely wasn't aware of the
history of this tune, the details you explained were very intersting. It's
true that the minor tone is the reason why I particularly like it, and
AFAIK it's not a frequently played « standard ». I've chosen to lower the
tempo because the melody sounds to me much more clear this way.
Chris, I play the guitar solo, the drums were made in MuSE, with
samples. I realize effectively the limits of my skills for programming
drums on non binary rythms...
[Oceanqiues]
I'm not over-keen on the lead synth voice in the
first part. It sounds like it
would benefit from a real instrument. In fact that would be my greatest
complaint of the whole piece, really, your choice of synth sounds. The
writing is great and the more organic sounds work well, but the synth sounds
are like a cheesy keyboard demo, which doesn't do your music justice.
OK, I realize you, Thorsten and Mark, are completely right about
the choices of the sounds, especially the voice. It's part of the things
you notice at a moment and then you do another thing on the track and then
become accustomed to this sound to the point that you don't really listen
to it anymore, and with the hours passing...
The string instrument is a mix of Guzhen and Luan, I try to
approach with this the sound of a Japanese Koto as close a I can.
I was very interested by your perception of this track as a free
form, as for me it's completely structured. Such an external look is
precious, as it's completely true for the listener.
Thanks again for the advices :).
Cheers,
Y.
9:20 p.m.
Yves Potin wrote:
I play the guitar solo, the drums were made in MuSE, with
samples. I realize effectively the limits of my skills for programming
drums on non binary rythms...
Hi Yves first of all I must say that I've enjoyed your very nice
tracks.You play really well.
Talking about lennies_pennies, I think that programing rythmns in
a swinged jazz style is very difficult to make it sound realistic since
there's no "live" interaction between the "drumer" and
you,that,for me,
is one of the most importants things of this style.
Let me tell you ,in a very respectful way (of course), that I feel
the ride cymbal walking in a midle time than the bass when the rythmn
grows at the minute 2:08,for my it seems that the rythmn is ,not exactly
but,"crossed" (cruzado, as we say in Spain;sorry about my english).My
point of view with this subject is,at that time, to change the ride
cymbal sequence to make it walk with the bass ,playing in
fourths,something that could "see" it like this:
1 2 3
4
Bass / / /
/
Cymbal / / / /`. /` or
Foot H-H / /
1 2 3 4
Bass / / / /
Cymbal / /`. /` / / or
Foot H-H / /
1 2 3 4
Bass / / / /
Cymbal / /`. /` / /`. /`
Foot H-H / /
or mixing all the sequences
Just a thought ,I could be wrong :-)
Saludos.
-- Carlos.
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