30 Mar
2008
30 Mar
'08
11:57 a.m.
Hi,
Can someone explain me what the difference is between Renoise and programs
like Rosegarden, Qtractor and reaper?
Dirk
30 Mar
30 Mar
12:17 p.m.
Well, it looks like Renoise is not open source and unless you pay for
a registration, has limitations for what you can do with it (like no
ASIO support in Windows). Reaper is also closed source, but there are
no limitations for personal use (you have to buy a license for
commercial use, about $300!). Rosegarden and Qtractor are open source
and have no limitations on commercial use. And, IMHO, the cream of the
crop of all of these is Ardour, also open source.
Renoise also looks more like it is focused on sample editing and
looping rather than being a multi-track harddisk recorder & mixer,
which is what Rosegarden, Ardour and Qtractor are. Rosegarden also has
the benefit of being a notation editor in addition to audio & MIDI
recorder and editor. I haven't used QTractor so can't comment on it.
Reaper is a DAW along the lines of Ardour but doesn't run natively
under Linux (I think some people have gotten it to work under Wine).
Unfortunately Ardour does not yet have full support for MIDI recording
and editing, but that is coming soon and Ardour will rock even more
than it already rocks.
On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 9:57 AM, schoappied <schoappied(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
Can someone explain me what the difference is between Renoise and programs
like Rosegarden, Qtractor and reaper?
Dirk
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12:47 p.m.
schoappied wrote:
Can someone explain me what the difference is between
Renoise and programs
like Rosegarden, Qtractor and reaper?
Renoise is built upon the design of a module tracker. The others you
mention are more track-oriented audio/MIDI sequencers.
The Renoise GUI may be a bit of a shock if you have no experience with a
tracker, but it's not really very complicated, perhaps no more so (or
even less so) than the contenders. ;)
See Brett's post for other difference factors.
Best,
dp
12:59 p.m.
On Sunday 30 March 2008 16:47:46 Dave Phillips wrote:
schoappied wrote:
Ok, so the question must be:
'what's the difference between a module tracker and a track-oriented
audio/MIDI sequence?'...
When do you use which app?
~dirk
Can someone explain me what the difference is
between Renoise and
programs like Rosegarden, Qtractor and reaper?
Renoise is built upon the design of a module tracker. The others you
mention are more track-oriented audio/MIDI sequencers.
The Renoise GUI may be a bit of a shock if you have no experience with a
tracker, but it's not really very complicated, perhaps no more so (or
even less so) than the contenders. ;)
See Brett's post for other difference factors.
Best,
dp
1:34 p.m.
On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 10:59 AM, schoappied <schoappied(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday 30 March 2008 16:47:46 Dave Phillips wrote:
Depends on your needs. The track-oriented DAW is your more traditional
type of reocrding and mixing environment, meant to emulate (to some
extent) multitrack tape decks and hardware mixers. You would use this
for more general recordings, like recording live instruments, vocals,
etc.
Read here for details on mod tracking:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tracker. I've never done module tracking
(not even back when I was a more hardcore Amiga user).
What kind of music are you planning on recording?
-- Brett
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"In the rhythm of music a secret is hidden;
If I were to divulge it, it would overturn the world."
-- Jelaleddin Rumi
schoappied wrote:
Ok, so the question must be:
'what's the difference between a module tracker and a track-oriented
audio/MIDI sequence?'...
When do you use which app? Can someone explain me what the difference is
between Renoise and
programs like Rosegarden, Qtractor and reaper?
Renoise is built upon the design of a module tracker. The others you
mention are more track-oriented audio/MIDI sequencers.
The Renoise GUI may be a bit of a shock if you have no experience with a
tracker, but it's not really very complicated, perhaps no more so (or
even less so) than the contenders. ;)
See Brett's post for other difference factors.
Best,
dp 
1 Apr
1 Apr
9:14 p.m.
The difference lies in the interface. While I generally prefer a
tracker, a sequencer is good for fluid sounding recorded parts, or for
people who are used to traditional music notation. It's not really a
question of when, but a question of which kind of program you prefer.
If you like to input notes live with a MIDI keyboards, you will likely
prefer a sequencer. If not, you may want to give Renoise a try.
Renoise also has a very capable sampler integrated into it.
Louis
Ok, so the question must be:
'what's the difference between a module tracker and a track-oriented
audio/MIDI sequence?'...
When do you use which app?
~dirk
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2 Apr
5:03 p.m.
On Sun, 2008-03-30 at 16:59 +0200, schoappied wrote:
On Sunday 30 March 2008 16:47:46 Dave Phillips wrote:
some views,
"real" module trackers have "all" included. that means i can still
play
and edit! my fasttracker2 modules that i made like 15 years ago...
(probably also due popularity and open file format)
but my midi tracks made with <pick your favourite midi sequencer> are
"useless" today, as i have sold my midi hardware and don't even have the
sysexs of the sounds anymore...
module trackers are like a midi-(step)-sequencer that have samples and
sample-player built in. some have effects too, newer even synths...
but the biggest difference (beside looks) is probably the "work flow".
"tracking" is pretty restricting and you stay 99% of the time on the
computer-keyboard (real trackers don't use midi-keyboards;) and
record/play/edit your piece seamlessly...
in "sequencing" you move more between your (virtual-)midi keyboard, the
computer-keyboard and mouse...
.andre
schoappied wrote:
Ok, so the question must be:
'what's the difference between a module tracker and a track-oriented
audio/MIDI sequence?'... Can someone explain me what the difference is
between Renoise and
programs like Rosegarden, Qtractor and reaper?
Renoise is built upon the design of a module tracker. The others you
mention are more track-oriented audio/MIDI sequencers.
The Renoise GUI may be a bit of a shock if you have no experience with a
tracker, but it's not really very complicated, perhaps no more so (or
even less so) than the contenders. ;)
See Brett's post for other difference factors.
Best,
dp When do you use which app?
~dirk
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5:48 p.m.
New subject: renoise vs rosegarden vs cubase
On Wednesday 02 April 2008 21:02:54 Andre Schmidt wrote:
On Sun, 2008-03-30 at 16:59 +0200, schoappied wrote:
Ok, but you could also use Linuxsampler with rosegarden isn't it? Then you
have also a sampler...
And isn't it possible to convert midi to *.wav?
On Sunday 30 March 2008 16:47:46 Dave Phillips
wrote:
some views,
"real" module trackers have "all" included. that means i can still
play
and edit! my fasttracker2 modules that i made like 15 years ago...
(probably also due popularity and open file format)
but my midi tracks made with <pick your favourite midi sequencer> are
"useless" today, as i have sold my midi hardware and don't even have the
sysexs of the sounds anymore...
module trackers are like a midi-(step)-sequencer that have samples and
sample-player built in. some have effects too, newer even synths... schoappied wrote:
Ok, so the question must be:
'what's the difference between a module tracker and a track-oriented
audio/MIDI sequence?'... Can someone explain me what the difference is
between Renoise and
programs like Rosegarden, Qtractor and reaper?
Renoise is built upon the design of a module tracker. The others you
mention are more track-oriented audio/MIDI sequencers.
The Renoise GUI may be a bit of a shock if you have no experience with
a tracker, but it's not really very complicated, perhaps no more so (or
even less so) than the contenders. ;)
See Brett's post for other difference factors.
Best,
dp
but the biggest difference (beside looks) is probably the "work flow".
"tracking" is pretty restricting and you stay 99% of the time on the
computer-keyboard (real trackers don't use midi-keyboards;) and
record/play/edit your piece seamlessly...
in "sequencing" you move more between your (virtual-)midi keyboard, the
computer-keyboard and mouse...
mmh, ok..... It seems to me that a midi keyboard is an advantage when you make
music...
And how does this programs relate to cubase?
dirk
7:18 p.m.
New subject: renoise vs rosegarden vs cubase
On Wed, 2008-04-02 at 21:48 +0200, schoappied wrote:
everyone should have at least one midi-keyboard! :)
alone because of the key velocity and and such...
(and not to forget, other midi/osc (opensoundcontrol) hardware;)
On Wednesday 02 April 2008 21:02:54 Andre Schmidt
wrote:
yup.
but AFAIK you still would have separate files for linuxsampler and
rosegarden (actually i haven't even tested those programs yet, so i may
be completely wrong). module trackers have all in one file.
(but in theory we could also let multiple apps to write in one file, or
use zips with scripts, and so on...)
On Sun, 2008-03-30 at 16:59 +0200, schoappied
wrote:
Ok, but you could also use Linuxsampler with rosegarden isn't it? Then you
have also a sampler... On Sunday 30 March 2008 16:47:46 Dave Phillips
wrote:
some views,
"real" module trackers have "all" included. that means i can still
play
and edit! my fasttracker2 modules that i made like 15 years ago...
(probably also due popularity and open file format)
but my midi tracks made with <pick your favourite midi sequencer> are
"useless" today, as i have sold my midi hardware and don't even have the
sysexs of the sounds anymore...
module trackers are like a midi-(step)-sequencer that have samples and
sample-player built in. some have effects too, newer even synths... schoappied wrote:
> Can someone explain me what the difference is between Renoise and
> programs like Rosegarden, Qtractor and reaper?
Renoise is built upon the design of a module tracker. The others you
mention are more track-oriented audio/MIDI sequencers.
The Renoise GUI may be a bit of a shock if you have no experience with
a tracker, but it's not really very complicated, perhaps no more so (or
even less so) than the contenders. ;)
See Brett's post for other difference factors.
Best,
dp
Ok, so the question must be:
'what's the difference between a module tracker and a track-oriented
audio/MIDI sequence?'...
And isn't it possible to convert midi to *.wav?
yes, if you still have your sound generators around, be that samples,
soft/hard synths, what ever... my point was that only my tracker modules
are still editable after many many years of technology and life
chages... (i no pro, so no studio and bling bling)
but the biggest difference (beside looks) is probably the "work flow".
"tracking" is pretty restricting and you stay 99% of the time on the
computer-keyboard (real trackers don't use midi-keyboards;) and
record/play/edit your piece seamlessly...
in "sequencing" you move more between your (virtual-)midi keyboard, the
computer-keyboard and mouse...
mmh, ok..... It seems to me that a midi keyboard is an advantage when you make
music... And how does this programs relate to cubase?
cubase is AFAIK a midi/audio sequencer (but my memory is many years old)
.a
dirk
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30 Mar
12:50 p.m.
I forgot to mention that you might find this article helpful:
http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/renoise-linux
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