Hi Ron, You recently posted: Would you be so kind as to explain to me exactly what it is that you think I've proposed? I regard my post as stating the obvious: A newbie in audio isn't going to be able to compete in loudness with someone with experience at it. If they were available, I could pull your own posts with ample evidence of frustration regarding making a track even louder than you thought was possible. Do you remember those days? And also: I'm sure you're familiar with Bob Katz's book, so I cannot help but wonder why you also posted: It would seem that you and Katz are at odds here. You're also at odds with some of the best names in the audio industry, aren't you? In Katz's book, there are lots of tricks for fixing all sorts of problems that apparently slipped by the recording and mixing engineers in many projects. Just one example: Cross-fading a reverb tail to replace an audience applauding at the end of a classsical music performance. As far as I'm concerned, making things loud is about squeezing 24-bit audio into 12-bit resolution for a 16-bit medium. Some things sound OK like that; many don't --- not to me, anyway. Regards, Dave.