3 Sep
2006
3 Sep
'06
6:41 p.m.
Folks,
I just got an accoutic bass guitar that also got a preamp and a 1/4
jack. Obviously a 1/4 cable won't do as input for the M-Audio 1010LT.
But is it only a matter of adapting the physical connector or should
the output from the guitar's preamp be routed in some box (?) before
it reaches the M-Audio card input ?
Al
3 Sep
3 Sep
6:51 p.m.
Here's some basic info on signal levels:
http://www.transom.org/tools/basics/200207.analogbasics.html
On 9/3/06, lanas <lanas(a)securenet.net> wrote:
Folks,
I just got an accoutic bass guitar that also got a preamp and a 1/4
jack. Obviously a 1/4 cable won't do as input for the M-Audio 1010LT.
But is it only a matter of adapting the physical connector or should
the output from the guitar's preamp be routed in some box (?) before
it reaches the M-Audio card input ?
Al
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6:59 p.m.
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lanas schrieb:
Folks,
I just got an accoutic bass guitar that also got a preamp and a 1/4
jack. Obviously a 1/4 cable won't do as input for the M-Audio 1010LT.
But is it only a matter of adapting the physical connector or should
the output from the guitar's preamp be routed in some box (?) before
it reaches the M-Audio card input ?
Al
Maybe you could plug the output of the preamp via some Adapter to the
1010LT, if the preamp has got an Headphone-out it could work also but I
really recommend to buy a small mixer.
I´ve gut a Phonic M1002, costs about 100 EUR, does all the work properly
and you can plug CD-Players, Microphones, drumboxes - you name it also...
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7:20 p.m.
On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 00:59:50 +0200
Hartmut Noack <zettberlin(a)linuxuse.de> écrivait:
Maybe you could plug the output of the preamp via some
Adapter to the
1010LT, if the preamp has got an Headphone-out it could work also but
I really recommend to buy a small mixer.
One point that was earlier made here when I was asking lots of
questions (not that I've quit doing that...) is that there should be as
few as possible of components in the path so that the sound source goes
into digital as soon as possible. The preamp of the guitar has no
headphone jack. Only a 1/4 standard jack for instruments. The preamp
of the guitar is battery-powered. Is routing the signal through a
mixer the only way to go ?
Al
7:32 p.m.
Here, we usually plug keyboards and guitars into a Direct Box.
Now, this is for a live environment, and doesn't have to do with digital
recording, but it converts the 1/4 to an XLR.
- Jordan
lanas wrote:
On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 00:59:50 +0200
Hartmut Noack <zettberlin(a)linuxuse.de> écrivait:
Maybe you could plug the output of the preamp via
some Adapter to the
1010LT, if the preamp has got an Headphone-out it could work also but
I really recommend to buy a small mixer.
One point that was earlier made here when I was asking lots of
questions (not that I've quit doing that...) is that there should be as
few as possible of components in the path so that the sound source goes
into digital as soon as possible. The preamp of the guitar has no
headphone jack. Only a 1/4 standard jack for instruments. The preamp
of the guitar is battery-powered. Is routing the signal through a
mixer the only way to go ?
Al
4 Sep
4 Sep
2:22 a.m.
On 9/4/06, Jordan <jordan(a)jdnash.org> wrote:
Here, we usually plug keyboards and guitars into a
Direct Box.
Now, this is for a live environment, and doesn't have to do with digital
recording, but it converts the 1/4 to an XLR.
The one potential drawback in this case is what Al put as "there should be as
few as possible of components in the path so that the sound source goes
into digital as soon as possible". It sounds like the XLR inputs on
the 1010LT have preamplification, so you might end up with:
bass pickup -> preamp (1) -> DI box (2) -> 1010LT mic input (3)
i.e three preamps chained. The DI box will change the unbalanced line
from the instrument into a balanced line which is regarded as
desirable, but I'm not sure how much difference it will make in
practice here.
But if you find the output of the bass's preamp isn't very high, you
might have to go with something like this.
Cheers,
Danny.
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4:19 a.m.
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lanas schrieb:
This applies for microphone-preamps and recordingpreamps for Instruments
(that are made to yield a hifi-signal), yet the average guitar-preamp is
designed to be plugged into a poweramp, that propagates the signal via a
speaker to the audience. In my experience the signal of such a
guitar-preamp is not very useable if it arrives the soundcard completely
"unspoiled" (I used to record guits with a H&K preamp some years ago and
had to buy a cheap mixer with a graphical EQ to get a signal that had
the qualities i would expect from the same guitar plugged into a real
amp...).
But besides all that: TRY! ;-) the best sound, you can get is the sound
you like best. Or as Frank Zappa said to Queens Brain May:
"If you are on stage, it is your show: you decide, what´s wrong or right."
On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 00:59:50 +0200
Hartmut Noack <zettberlin(a)linuxuse.de> écrivait:
I really
recommend to buy a small mixer.
One point that was earlier made here when I was asking lots of
questions (not that I've quit doing that...) is that there should be as
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4:39 a.m.
On 9/4/06, Hartmut Noack <zettberlin(a)linuxuse.de> wrote:
In my experience the signal of such a
guitar-preamp is not very useable if it arrives the
soundcard completely
"unspoiled"
Hmm, I don't disagree, but in principle at least isn't it better to
get a clean signal into the computer, then spoil it digitally?
(Compression being a side issue).
I *can't* disagree because I've got a valve (tube) preamp that sounds
great overdriven ;-)
Cheers,
Danny.
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http://dannyayers.com
8:43 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Plugging an electric instrument
On 9/4/06, Hartmut Noack <zettberlin(a)linuxuse.de> wrote:
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lanas schrieb:
This applies for microphone-preamps and recordingpreamps for Instruments
(that are made to yield a hifi-signal), yet the average guitar-preamp is
designed to be plugged into a poweramp, that propagates the signal via a
speaker to the audience. In my experience the signal of such a
guitar-preamp is not very useable if it arrives the soundcard completely
"unspoiled" (I used to record guits with a H&K preamp some years ago and
had to buy a cheap mixer with a graphical EQ to get a signal that had
the qualities i would expect from the same guitar plugged into a real
amp...).
But besides all that: TRY! ;-) the best sound, you can get is the sound
you like best. Or as Frank Zappa said to Queens Brain May:
"If you are on stage, it is your show: you decide, what´s wrong or right."
This is a bass active pre though. I'm pretty sure they are line level
signals, or at least active basses are. DI active basses you just plug
them straight in to the sound card as not much "spoiling" is
required. Not sure about acoustic basses as i've only ever played one
for a few minutes. Give us a recording of how it sounds either way.
Loki
On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 00:59:50 +0200
Hartmut Noack <zettberlin(a)linuxuse.de> écrivait:
I really
recommend to buy a small mixer.
One point that was earlier made here when I was asking lots of
questions (not that I've quit doing that...) is that there should be as
few as possible of components in the path so that the sound source goes
into digital as soon as possible.
3 Sep
3 Sep
7:03 p.m.
(New here, hi all!)
On 9/4/06, lanas <lanas(a)securenet.net> wrote:
Folks,
I just got an accoutic bass guitar that also got a preamp and a 1/4
jack. Obviously a 1/4 cable won't do as input for the M-Audio 1010LT.
But is it only a matter of adapting the physical connector or should
the output from the guitar's preamp be routed in some box (?) before
it reaches the M-Audio card input ?
I don't know the gadget, and I'm only going on the top level docs on
their site.
It definitely has a *powered* pre-amp? That should be ok into one of
the 8 input lines direct.
If you're taking a signal from a pickup on the bass, then if one of
the mic/line-ins is free then it should be fine making a cable
jack-XLR, with one side of the XLR grounded - i.e., unbalanced (input
stages shouldn't have a problem with this).
Cheers,
Danny.
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7:07 p.m.
On 9/4/06, Danny Ayers <danny.ayers(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Oops.
If you're taking a signal from a pickup on the
bass
*without additional amplification*
, then if one of
the mic/line-ins is free then it should be fine making
a cable
jack-XLR, with one side of the XLR grounded - i.e., unbalanced (input
stages shouldn't have a problem with this).
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7:31 p.m.
On Mon, 4 Sep 2006 01:03:52 +0200
"Danny Ayers" <danny.ayers(a)gmail.com> écrivait:
It definitely has a *powered* pre-amp? That should be
ok into one of
the 8 input lines direct.
Yes it does. The accoustic bass guitar has a 9-volt battery for that
purpose. There are bass/mid/treble/volume controls on the guitar
itself. So, according to what you're saying I could either make a 1/4
to RCA adapter cable or get one from a store and plug the guitar output
directly into one of the M-Audio 1010LT RCA inputs.
Al
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