23 Jun
2006
23 Jun
'06
9:16 a.m.
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Hello!
I need a recommendation for a sound card or USB device for a PC that
will serve as sequencer and virtual instrument on stage. I need a cheap
yet powerful sound card with the following features:
- - about 4 ins and 4 outs. (If there are more, the sound engineer will go
crazy)
- - ultra low latency
- - compatible to be built into a 19'' rack.
- - MIDI-In/Out
Any ideas?
Markus
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23 Jun
23 Jun
4:54 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: "on stage" pc
Sure. Same goal, some research done. I'd avoid USB because of latency,
but FireWire is great (low latency, large throughput, works with both
Apple and IBM style machines).
I like the ESI Quatafire (1/3 19"). Roland Edirol has a similar device
that is slightly cheaper, but offers a restriction on how many channels
you can use. (1/2 19")
Then there is the RME Multiface that uses either PCI or PCMCIA, and is
supposed to have superior quality at a superior price. (1/2 19")
Finally, for the ultra high end (my dream card), there is the Apogee
Ensemble FireWire that offers the famous Apogee D/A converters and four
Apogee Pre-Amps. This is my dream card. (19") It is untested with linux.
To go a bit lower in price, Echo offers the Indigo DJ with two stereo
outputs and no inputs as a PCMCIA card.
To run firewire cards on linux you need the FreeBob package, that has a
seperate backend to Jack to be used instead of ALSA.
Note all of this based on my research and is untested.
Carlo
24 Jun
24 Jun
2:31 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: "on stage" pc
On Fri, 2006-06-23 at 20:53 +0200, Carlo Capocasa wrote:
Finally, for the ultra high end (my dream card), there
is the Apogee
Ensemble FireWire that offers the famous Apogee D/A converters and four
Apogee Pre-Amps. This is my dream card. (19") It is untested with linux.
personally, i think that combining converters with the computer audio
interface is silly in general, and ridiculous at the "high end".
you can buy an apogee standalone converter and connect it to any
computer audio interface via ADAT, S/PDIF or other protocols. then, when
you have to sell the apogee to pay for your next house or apartment, you
can replace it with a cheap fostex unit, and keep your audio computer
alive and functioning.
26 Jun
26 Jun
3:49 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: "on stage" pc
In theory I agree. I feel that the Unix philosophy applies in the
analogue world as well as it does in digital.
However, there are three reasons I chose to think Ensemble:
* An Apogee Rosetta eight-channel ADA converter costs $2500, an Apogee
stereo Mic Pre-Amp costs $2000, and the FireWire extension for the D/A
converters costs $500 (roughly the same as something PCMCIA that
supports S/PDIF). I can get an Apogee Ensemble in Switzerland for
$2000, that's $4000 in savings.
* I intend to use the same gear in my studio as live on stage. There is
some advantage to carrying two small boxes only, notebook and
breakout box. (I can't wait to proudly display my giant penguin
while working the ladies' minds)
* Since as an independant producer I need so many different skills
already to get my music heard (Sound synthing, sequencing, composing,
performing, singing, recording, equalizing, compressing, echoing,
limiting, encoding, web design, content management, internet
marketing, merchandising design) I decided it would be nice to
save me the learning of some expertise and "let the technology be
smart" as far the analogue signal chain goes.
Of course, this approach might or might not work, as it is simply what
looks most promising given what I know right now, which is a lot
compared to last year, and very little compared to all the knowledge in
the universe.
Carlo
Paul Davis schrieb:
On Fri, 2006-06-23 at 20:53 +0200, Carlo Capocasa
wrote:
Finally, for the ultra high end (my dream card),
there is the Apogee
Ensemble FireWire that offers the famous Apogee D/A converters and four
Apogee Pre-Amps. This is my dream card. (19") It is untested with linux.
personally, i think that combining converters with the computer audio
interface is silly in general, and ridiculous at the "high end".
you can buy an apogee standalone converter and connect it to any
computer audio interface via ADAT, S/PDIF or other protocols. then, when
you have to sell the apogee to pay for your next house or apartment, you
can replace it with a cheap fostex unit, and keep your audio computer
alive and functioning.
23 Jun
23 Jun
5:22 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: "on stage" pc
Hi,
untested comments follow:
2006/6/23, Markus Herhoffer <markus(a)herhoffer.net>et>:
I need a recommendation for a sound card or USB device
for a PC that
will serve as sequencer and virtual instrument on stage. I need a cheap
yet powerful sound card with the following features:
- - about 4 ins and 4 outs. (If there are more, the sound engineer will go
crazy)
- - ultra low latency
- - compatible to be built into a 19'' rack.
- - MIDI-In/Out
M-Audio has the Delta 44 which is 4in and 4out. With a small
breakout-box to jack in your cables...
PCI has the advantage that rather a lot of cards are tested and
functional on linux.
If you prefer USB, you won't find 4x4 devices. Because usb1.1 can only
carry four streams reliable (which is stereo in and out) and usb2.0
hasn't an audio standard, so most of these devices don't work on
linux.
Firewire has some devices available through the FreeBob-project, but
the devices with more channels aren't cheap. (You didn't say anything
about the money you want to spend.)
So long,
Arnold
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24 Jun
24 Jun
4:15 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: "on stage" pc
Arnold Krille wrote:
Hi,
untested comments follow:
2006/6/23, Markus Herhoffer <markus(a)herhoffer.net>et>:
That's not quite true. I have a usb-1.0 maudio usb quattro 4x4 which can
do four channels at latency of 128 on my 2.6Ghz celeron. However if you
want true low latency then you should go for pcmcia/pci or (mostly
untested but highly anticipated) firewire devices with freebob.
Cheers
--
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Http://www.boosthardware.com
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I need a recommendation for a sound card or USB
device for a PC that
will serve as sequencer and virtual instrument on stage. I need a cheap
yet powerful sound card with the following features:
- - about 4 ins and 4 outs. (If there are more, the sound engineer
will go
crazy)
- - ultra low latency
- - compatible to be built into a 19'' rack.
- - MIDI-In/Out
M-Audio has the Delta 44 which is 4in and 4out. With a small
breakout-box to jack in your cables...
PCI has the advantage that rather a lot of cards are tested and
functional on linux.
If you prefer USB, you won't find 4x4 devices. Because usb1.1 can only
carry four streams reliable (which is stereo in and out) and usb2.0
hasn't an audio standard, so most of these devices don't work on
linux. 
12:49 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: "on stage" pc
On 6/23/06, Markus Herhoffer <markus(a)herhoffer.net> wrote:
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Hello!
I need a recommendation for a sound card or USB device for a PC that
will serve as sequencer and virtual instrument on stage. I need a cheap
yet powerful sound card with the following features:
- - about 4 ins and 4 outs. (If there are more, the sound engineer will go
crazy)
- - ultra low latency
- - compatible to be built into a 19'' rack.
- - MIDI-In/Out
Any ideas?
Markus
echo mona. 4 in 6 out with preamps and adat, 19" rack mount. Pci or
pcmcia. It's discontinued but you can get them on ebay, etc. They are
on the slightly more expensive end of things though.
Loki
7:24 a.m.
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Thanks for the recommendations!
What do you think about a classical pci-card with cables and a
customized break-out panel for the 19" rack? On
http://www.schaeffer-apparatebau.de you can order a customized panel for
less than 40?. Cinch sockets are less than 1?.
Markus
Markus Herhoffer wrote:
Hello!
I need a recommendation for a sound card or USB device for a PC that
will serve as sequencer and virtual instrument on stage. I need a cheap
yet powerful sound card with the following features:
- about 4 ins and 4 outs. (If there are more, the sound engineer will go
crazy)
- ultra low latency
- compatible to be built into a 19'' rack.
- MIDI-In/Out
Any ideas?
Markus
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4:39 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: "on stage" pc
2006/6/24, Markus Herhoffer <markus(a)herhoffer.net>et>:
What do you think about a classical pci-card with
cables and a
customized break-out panel for the 19" rack? On
http://www.schaeffer-apparatebau.de you can order a customized panel for
less than 40?. Cinch sockets are less than 1?.
As long as your definition of "classical pci-card" doesnt contain
low-grade consumer cards. If it does, forget it. The technician will
kill you for the low quality and high noise, your band and the
audience will probably kill you as well for the bad sound.
Most (perhaps even all) of the quality products (pci-based) already
have a breakoutbox or a lot of cables. Because they aren't satisfied
with stereo-mini-jacks and there isn't much space for normal-sized
jacks or even XLR sockets on a pci-slot...
Arnold
PS: My current dream setup apart from Firewire is that RME with 3x
adat-io and a cheap behringer ada800(0?) for the start (2x ~200€).
Extendible andfully digital, if you have enough money, buy a second
ad/da and/or throw out the behringer...
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Wenn man mit Raubkopien Bands wie Brosis oder Britney Spears wirklich
verhindern könnte, würde ich mir noch heute einen Stapel Brenner und
einen Sack Rohlinge kaufen.
5:32 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: "on stage" pc
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As long as your definition of "classical
pci-card" doesnt contain
low-grade consumer cards. If it does, forget it. The technician will
kill you for the low quality and high noise, your band and the
audience will probably kill you as well for the bad sound.
I would count the ESI Maya 44 as a "classical pci-card".
Markus
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