14 Aug
2014
14 Aug
'14
5:08 p.m.
Hi,
regarding to some mixer issues with Qtractor, discussed at other lists,
I searched the Internet for a sane virtual mixer, but didn't find one
for Linux.
I need stereo or mono channels, it doesn't matter when stereo channels
only provide balance, it's ok, real panning would be better.
An insert (audio out/in) isn't needed, I could add an "insert" before I
connect to the mixer. Inserting LV2 and LADSPA effects would be useful,
but aren't too important, with one exception, each channel needs an EQ
(Fons' parametric EQ or a similar EQ) and I need at least one _post_
fader aux send to a sub group or at least to an aux return pot for the
stereo master sum. Pre fader aux would be completely useless. A mute
and/or solo switch would be useful too, not needed, but it's important,
that the mixer settings can be stored and restored.
Regards,
Ralf
14 Aug
14 Aug
5:56 p.m.
On Thu, 14 Aug 2014, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
regarding to some mixer issues with Qtractor,
discussed at other lists,
I searched the Internet for a sane virtual mixer, but didn't find one
for Linux.
I need stereo or mono channels, it doesn't matter when stereo channels
only provide balance, it's ok, real panning would be better.
An insert (audio out/in) isn't needed, I could add an "insert" before I
connect to the mixer. Inserting LV2 and LADSPA effects would be useful,
but aren't too important, with one exception, each channel needs an EQ
(Fons' parametric EQ or a similar EQ) and I need at least one _post_
fader aux send to a sub group or at least to an aux return pot for the
stereo master sum. Pre fader aux would be completely useless. A mute
and/or solo switch would be useful too, not needed, but it's important,
that the mixer settings can be stored and restored.
Non-mixer seems to have all that.
Using jackrack or lv2rack and filling with whatever plugins create a mixer
would work too.
non-mixer does save projects though. I do not know about the racks.
Ardour could be used, but is probably overkill and may use more resources
than you wish.
--
Len Ovens
www.ovenwerks.net
6:03 p.m.
On 2014-08-14 11:55, Len Ovens wrote:
On Thu, 14 Aug 2014, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
unfortunately, Non-mixer only hosts LADSPA, not LV2, i believe... but i
guess you could do an insert to jalv2 for that, right?
cheers!
.pltk.
--
Peter Lutek
improvising musician in Toronto, Canada
http://peterlutek.com
regarding to some mixer issues with Qtractor,
discussed at other
lists,
I searched the Internet for a sane virtual mixer, but didn't find
one
for Linux.
I need stereo or mono channels, it doesn't matter when stereo
channels
only provide balance, it's ok, real panning would be better.
An insert (audio out/in) isn't needed, I could add an "insert"
before I
connect to the mixer. Inserting LV2 and LADSPA effects would be
useful,
but aren't too important, with one exception, each channel needs an
EQ
(Fons' parametric EQ or a similar EQ) and I need at least one _post_
fader aux send to a sub group or at least to an aux return pot for
the
stereo master sum. Pre fader aux would be completely useless. A mute
and/or solo switch would be useful too, not needed, but it's
important,
that the mixer settings can be stored and restored.
Non-mixer seems to have all that.
6:05 p.m.
On 2014-08-14 12:03, Peter Lutek wrote:
On 2014-08-14 11:55, Len Ovens wrote:
ooops.... meant "jalv", of course! :)
.pltk.
On Thu, 14 Aug 2014, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
unfortunately, Non-mixer only hosts LADSPA, not LV2, i believe... but
i guess you could do an insert to jalv2 for that, right?
regarding to some mixer issues with Qtractor,
discussed at other
lists,
I searched the Internet for a sane virtual mixer, but didn't find
one
for Linux.
I need stereo or mono channels, it doesn't matter when stereo
channels
only provide balance, it's ok, real panning would be better.
An insert (audio out/in) isn't needed, I could add an "insert"
before I
connect to the mixer. Inserting LV2 and LADSPA effects would be
useful,
but aren't too important, with one exception, each channel needs an
EQ
(Fons' parametric EQ or a similar EQ) and I need at least one
_post_
fader aux send to a sub group or at least to an aux return pot for
the
stereo master sum. Pre fader aux would be completely useless. A
mute
and/or solo switch would be useful too, not needed, but it's
important,
that the mixer settings can be stored and restored.
Non-mixer seems to have all that.
6:35 p.m.
New subject: [Bulk] Re: Linux mixer
On Thu, 2014-08-14 at 12:03 -0400, Peter Lutek wrote:
On 2014-08-14 11:55, Len Ovens wrote:
All I need regarding to effect plugins is LADAPA.
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ pacman -Ql fil-plugins
[snip]
fil-plugins /usr/lib/ladspa/filters.so
I'm an old school engineer.
I need an EQ for each channel, I usually don't use compressors etc. for
individual tracks, I make a transparent mix giving the audio signal it's
own place in the "frequency room" instead of killing the dynamic.
Sometimes a flanger, phaser or what ever else effect is nice, but analog
mixers also don't provide those special effects and I also don't need
them for the workflow using a virtual mixer. If such an effect is
needed, then it's less work to use an external virtual host (I anyway
prefer hardware effects), but very important for the workflow is a good
EQ and a few post fader aux sends, especially for reverb. Btw.
automation also isn't needed, even in studios flying faders usually are
used to restore a session, seldom for wild automated mixing during a
production.
Btw. for the stereo sum I like to use multi band compression.
IMO it's a pity that so few Linux mixers provide "normal" workflow and
it's funny that users tend to use that much fader automation, while they
at the same time add tons of limiters and compressors.
Resume: Linux mixing techniques seems to be for another generation of
engineers, but less good for dinos. It's not my way to mix music.
Non-mixer seems to have all that.
unfortunately, Non-mixer only hosts LADSPA, not LV2, i believe... but i
guess you could do an insert to jalv2 for that, right?
15 Aug
15 Aug
2:13 a.m.
On Thu, 14 Aug 2014, Peter Lutek wrote:
On 2014-08-14 11:55, Len Ovens wrote:
For the plugins he asked for, they are available in LADSPA.
--
Len Ovens
www.ovenwerks.net
On Thu, 14 Aug 2014, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
unfortunately, Non-mixer only hosts LADSPA, not LV2, i believe... but i guess
you could do an insert to jalv2 for that, right? regarding to some mixer issues with Qtractor,
discussed at other lists,
I searched the Internet for a sane virtual mixer, but didn't find one
for Linux.
I need stereo or mono channels, it doesn't matter when stereo channels
only provide balance, it's ok, real panning would be better.
An insert (audio out/in) isn't needed, I could add an "insert" before I
connect to the mixer. Inserting LV2 and LADSPA effects would be useful,
but aren't too important, with one exception, each channel needs an EQ
(Fons' parametric EQ or a similar EQ) and I need at least one _post_
fader aux send to a sub group or at least to an aux return pot for the
stereo master sum. Pre fader aux would be completely useless. A mute
and/or solo switch would be useful too, not needed, but it's important,
that the mixer settings can be stored and restored.
Non-mixer seems to have all that.
14 Aug
14 Aug
6:12 p.m.
New subject: [Bulk] Re: Linux mixer
On Thu, 2014-08-14 at 08:55 -0700, Len Ovens wrote:
Non-mixer seems to have all that.
The GUI doesn't look very user friendly.
Using jackrack or lv2rack and filling with whatever
plugins create a mixer
would work too.
True, but that's an annoying not user friendly workaround and I planned
to do it that way ot to test non-mixer.
Ardour could be used, but is probably overkill and may
use more resources
than you wish.
Indeed, I could launch Ardour just to use it as a mixer. Ardour's mixer
is ok, but I don't want to use Ardour, anyway, I could test how much
resources Ardour2 (or 3) needs and use Qtractor with Ardour's mixer. I
didn't think about using Ardour as a mixer only! A good idea :)! Thank
you.
Now that I found out, how to add a bus to Qtractor, at least for audio
of the MIDI plugins I could use the aux send plugins. Qtrators mixer
seems to send MIDI CC to the synth plugins, the fader seems not to
control the audio signal, so any aux send plug automatically is post
fader, I just fear that for audio tracks those aux send plugins will be
pre fader.
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