Examples of synth/drum live performance Jack setups ? - Linux-audio-user

James Mckernon

16 Oct 16 Oct

5:14 p.m.

Seq24 is worth a look for live sequencing. It lets you record MIDI loops on the fly, and has a nice set of keybindings for turning them on and off (in groups, in sync, etc). It seems like some aspects of its jack support might have succumbed to bitrot, but it's worth experimenting to see what you can get working. In any case I'm pretty sure it works fine as a standalone sequencer - it just might have some issues when you try and sync it to another sequencer program, or vice versa. And I haven't used it myself, but it's possible that harmonySEQ might be of interest to you, too. best, J On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Barney Holmes <djbarney(a)djbarney.org> wrote:

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Hello, I'm from a DJ'ing background and prefer to play live and record tracks by keeping everything as live as possible. Think of Richie Hawtin using locked groove drum loop records and this kind of thing to make a hybrid between DJ'ing and on-the-fly original track creation. I know Ardour and Jack. I can create totally presequenced productions but find that takes away my spontaneity. Are there examples out there of these kind of set ups ? I need as many examples as possible for encouragement if nothing else. I did start using Hydrogen to drive external drum synths, like Yoshimi that can make drum and percussion sounds, but the Hydrogen controls are set up for altering the included sample sets and don't do anything to the MIDI output. I suppose I'm trying to recreate the immediacy and spontaneity that using original hardware 808/909/sampler set ups used to be able to create. Another example was the immediate accessibility of Propellerhead Rebith 303. It has a good real time 303 implementation but all the percussion was sample based, which I want to move away from. I've found creating a drum in Yoshimi sounds *much* richer and more dynamic than samples. So what are you using out there ? Screen shots ? Peace djbarney _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-user mailing list Linux-audio-user(a)lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user

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Barney Holmes

8:52 p.m.

Thanks, I'll take a look at that :) Quoting James Mckernon <jmckernon(a)gmail.com>om>:

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Seq24 is worth a look for live sequencing. It lets you record MIDI loops on the fly, and has a nice set of keybindings for turning them on and off (in groups, in sync, etc). It seems like some aspects of its jack support might have succumbed to bitrot, but it's worth experimenting to see what you can get working. In any case I'm pretty sure it works fine as a standalone sequencer - it just might have some issues when you try and sync it to another sequencer program, or vice versa. And I haven't used it myself, but it's possible that harmonySEQ might be of interest to you, too. best, J On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Barney Holmes <djbarney(a)djbarney.org> wrote:

Hello, I'm from a DJ'ing background and prefer to play live and record tracks by keeping everything as live as possible. Think of Richie Hawtin using locked groove drum loop records and this kind of thing to make a hybrid between DJ'ing and on-the-fly original track creation. I know Ardour and Jack. I can create totally presequenced productions but find that takes away my spontaneity. Are there examples out there of these kind of set ups ? I need as many examples as possible for encouragement if nothing else. I did start using Hydrogen to drive external drum synths, like Yoshimi that can make drum and percussion sounds, but the Hydrogen controls are set up for altering the included sample sets and don't do anything to the MIDI output. I suppose I'm trying to recreate the immediacy and spontaneity that using original hardware 808/909/sampler set ups used to be able to create. Another example was the immediate accessibility of Propellerhead Rebith 303. It has a good real time 303 implementation but all the percussion was sample based, which I want to move away from. I've found creating a drum in Yoshimi sounds *much* richer and more dynamic than samples. So what are you using out there ? Screen shots ? Peace djbarney _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-user mailing list Linux-audio-user(a)lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user

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Barney Holmes

9:01 p.m.

Quoting Harry van Haaren <harryhaaren(a)gmail.com>om>:

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On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Barney Holmes <djbarney(a)djbarney.org>wrote;wrote:

Hello,

Hey!

I'm from a DJ'ing background and prefer to play live and record tracks by keeping everything as live as possible.

Good stuff, I'm pretty interested in the same things myself.

Hey, where do you play ? Do you mix records as well ?

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Are there examples out there of these kind of set ups ? I need as many examples as possible for encouragement if nothing else.

I'm working on a piece of software Luppp, which is a live-audio-looping tool directed to live-performance. Its currently not released yet (because its not ready), but its getting quite far: Details on http://openavproductions.com/luppp

Looks interesting. So, of course, the little MIDI drum/percussion loops are just the equivalent of mixing "DJ tools" records that have locked grooves on them. I've even done it by blocking the tone arm with something so it skips back into the groove. Instant drum loop!

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I've recently released ArtyFX, a plugin set which is also somewhat gearted towards live performance. It contains on plugin "Masha", which provides teh Pioneer DJM style "Roll" / stutter effect: MIDI bind it for extra fun. See http://openavproductions.com/artyfx

I've found creating a drum in Yoshimi sounds *much* richer and more dynamic than samples.

I'm interested in how you do this, and what tips you have... any chance of a tutorial / blogpost / screencast?

I originally found - "How to create drum sounds in ZynAddSubFX or Yoshimi, Part 1" - http://shrp.me/docs/zynaddsubfx_yoshimi_drum_tutorial.php At the moment I am redirecting Hydrogen MIDI events out via MIDI to Yoshimi to trigger the drum sound. The thing with Yoshimi is that you can route multiple drum/percussion sounds from the same running instance of Yoshimi into Jack/Ardour and record/tweak individually. I'll put together a blog post/tutorial about this.

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So what are you using out there ? Screen shots ?

I'm currently looping audio with Luppp, manually drumming in a beat using a MIDI controller and Fabla ( http://openavproductions.com/fabla ), most melodic instruments are recorded using a mic / DI-box, and doing effects with ArtyFX. The workflow is quite nice, but needs some stream-lining and improvement. Also, Luppp needs to be released: the reason I'm holding off is because there's no use in live-performance software that *might* crash during performance. Hence, please sit-tight, and know I'm working on it!

Interesting. Is Lupp open source ? Even if it does crash it might be wise to release anyway so you get testers/bug reporters. As long as its clearly labelled alpha/beta with a disclaimer then you can't be blamed for performance glitches. But of course depends on your own personal development style.

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Cheers, -Harry

All the best

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Barney Holmes

27 Oct 27 Oct

4:40 p.m.

New subject: Examples of synth/drum live performance Jack setups ? (My blog post about Yoshimi drums)

Quoting Harry van Haaren <harryhaaren(a)gmail.com>om>:

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On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 8:01 PM, Barney Holmes <djbarney(a)djbarney.org>wrote;wrote:

Hey, where do you play ? Do you mix records as well ?

Currently not, I did used to have a set of Str8 150's, and was mad into beat-juggling / turntablism stuff... back in my day ;-) I've not performed much recently, but hope to change that once Luppp is released...

I'll put together a blog post/tutorial about this. [drum sound generation in Yoshimi].

Looking forward to it!

... and here it is ! Generating Synthesised Drums and Percussion in Linux using Yoshimi or ZynAddSubFX http://djbarney.wordpress.com/2013/10/27/generating-synthesised-drums-and-p… Learnt something while I wrote it as well. Yoshimi and ZynAddSubFx can both use a specialised drum kit instrument, and there are more randomisations options I was not aware of. Now I need to look at other sequencers with better MIDI control of external synths. Ardour may do it or I'll look further afield.

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Is Lupp open source ?

Yes, the new Luppp (as from video) will be released as open-source. Even if it does crash it might be wise to release anyway so you get

testers/bug reporters.

I've concidered it, and I'm currently asking a few "hardcore-testers" to let me know what issues they're having. I'm recieving very useful feedback, and implementing / fixing as much as I can. There's work to do yet. As for the actual release, I'm developing the new Luppp under OpenAV productions, which uses a donation/time release system: www.openavproductions.com/support Lets keep in touch, and see where we can find our ideal workflows in the coming weeks / months. Cheers, -Harry PS: Jeremy, that's an awesome thread! I never knew it existed.. until now. /me goes to read...

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Harry van Haaren

10 p.m.

On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 8:39 PM, Gianfranco Ceccolini < gianfranco(a)portalmod.com.br> wrote:

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I've cloned the ArtyFX git repo and tried to build but when I try to run

make it gives me the following errors: I don't want to steal DJ Barney's thread on live-performance: new issue on github, where we can fix this: https://github.com/harryhaaren/openAV-ArtyFX/issues/2 Cheers, -Harry

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Jeremy Jongepier

9:31 p.m.

On 10/16/2013 04:57 PM, Barney Holmes wrote:

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Hello, I'm from a DJ'ing background and prefer to play live and record tracks by keeping everything as live as possible. Think of Richie Hawtin using locked groove drum loop records and this kind of thing to make a hybrid between DJ'ing and on-the-fly original track creation. I know Ardour and Jack. I can create totally presequenced productions but find that takes away my spontaneity. Are there examples out there of these kind of set ups ? I need as many examples as possible for encouragement if nothing else. I did start using Hydrogen to drive external drum synths, like Yoshimi that can make drum and percussion sounds, but the Hydrogen controls are set up for altering the included sample sets and don't do anything to the MIDI output. I suppose I'm trying to recreate the immediacy and spontaneity that using original hardware 808/909/sampler set ups used to be able to create. Another example was the immediate accessibility of Propellerhead Rebith 303. It has a good real time 303 implementation but all the percussion was sample based, which I want to move away from. I've found creating a drum in Yoshimi sounds *much* richer and more dynamic than samples. So what are you using out there ? Screen shots ? Peace djbarney

Hi Barney, You need to check out Superdirt², I think it's quite close to what you're aiming at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YAFu7hgbE0 And yes, that's Hydrogen running on the notebook. Best, Jeremy

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Kaspar Bumke

19 Oct 19 Oct

5 p.m.

I am not 100% on how suitable this would be for you from what you describe but I use and help maintain SooperLooper which is a live-looper. I use it to record and play drums and percussion loops from a Roland Handsonic as well as various other sound sources for the less percussive stuff. Most recently I have been using a Novation Launchpad to control SL but you can set up bindings for any MIDI device or even use OSC. http://essej.net/sooperlooper/ On 16 October 2013 21:49, Barney Holmes <djbarney(a)djbarney.org> wrote:

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Quoting Jeremy Jongepier <jeremy(a)autostatic.com>om>: On 10/16/2013 04:57 PM, Barney Holmes wrote:

Hello, I'm from a DJ'ing background and prefer to play live and record tracks by keeping everything as live as possible. Think of Richie Hawtin using locked groove drum loop records and this kind of thing to make a hybrid between DJ'ing and on-the-fly original track creation. I know Ardour and Jack. I can create totally presequenced productions but find that takes away my spontaneity. Are there examples out there of these kind of set ups ? I need as many examples as possible for encouragement if nothing else. I did start using Hydrogen to drive external drum synths, like Yoshimi that can make drum and percussion sounds, but the Hydrogen controls are set up for altering the included sample sets and don't do anything to the MIDI output. I suppose I'm trying to recreate the immediacy and spontaneity that using original hardware 808/909/sampler set ups used to be able to create. Another example was the immediate accessibility of Propellerhead Rebith 303. It has a good real time 303 implementation but all the percussion was sample based, which I want to move away from. I've found creating a drum in Yoshimi sounds *much* richer and more dynamic than samples. So what are you using out there ? Screen shots ? Peace djbarney

Hi Barney, You need to check out Superdirt², I think it's quite close to what you're aiming at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=5YAFu7hgbE0<http://www.youtube.com/watc… And yes, that's Hydrogen running on the notebook. Best, Jeremy

That's a great example ! They do a very good job of striking the balance between sequenced percussion and live instruments which is quite a difficult balance to strike. I would have put more composition of the percussion in but that's my stylee not Superdirt stylee. If you listen to some the original german trance/techno on labels like Harthouse they use a lot of subtle percussion composition, build ups, break downs and so forth. I proved to myself in the 1990's that it was possible to do this live using the software Rebirth. I never got back to implementing this until recently (long story). djbarney ______________________________**_________________ Linux-audio-user mailing list Linux-audio-user@lists.**linuxaudio.org<Linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/**listinfo/linux-audio-user<http://lists.lin…

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