31 Jan
2011
31 Jan
'11
12:51 a.m.
hi *!
a guitarist friend of mine is looking for ways to get six separate
outputs from a guitar, one for each string. he has a godin multiac,
which comes with a 13-pin connector meant for the roland gr series
guitar synthesizers - i wonder what would be involved in using the
signal directly? if you've tried this, or know someone who has, please
holler!
next time i can get my hands on the instrument, i'll try some hi-z
preamps (i guess it's a more or less raw piezo output)...
also, i'd be interested to learn of replacement pickups for other
guitars in humbucker or single coil format that provide six signal outs...
best,
jörn
31 Jan
31 Jan
1:03 a.m.
New subject: [OT] guitar pickups: how to get separate signals for each string?
On Mon, 31 Jan 2011 00:56:36 +0100
Jörn Nettingsmeier <nettings(a)folkwang-hochschule.de> wrote:
hi *!
a guitarist friend of mine is looking for ways to get six separate
outputs from a guitar, one for each string. he has a godin multiac,
which comes with a 13-pin connector meant for the roland gr series
guitar synthesizers - i wonder what would be involved in using the
signal directly? if you've tried this, or know someone who has, please
holler!
next time i can get my hands on the instrument, i'll try some hi-z
preamps (i guess it's a more or less raw piezo output)...
also, i'd be interested to learn of replacement pickups for other
guitars in humbucker or single coil format that provide six signal outs...
best,
jörn
Look for hexaphonic pickup on your search engine of choice :)
They've been around for a while now.
The more sophisticated ones are dual coil - the second coil being an exciter
(fed from the first via a local amplifier) and can give incredible sustain
effects.
--
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.
9:40 a.m.
2011/1/31 Jörn Nettingsmeier <nettings(a)folkwang-hochschule.de>
also, i'd be interested to learn of replacement
pickups for other
guitars in humbucker or single coil format that provide six signal outs...
do these exist? Aren't the strings too close to each other to not
influence each other's coils?
As far as I can remember also, there's no way of isolating magnetic
field.
renato
10:20 a.m.
Roland hexaphonic pickup. RMC has a pre-amp in the making.
Jurgen
On 31-Jan-2011, at 4:40 PM, Renato Budinich wrote:
2011/1/31 Jörn Nettingsmeier <nettings(a)folkwang-hochschule.de>
also, i'd be interested to learn of replacement pickups for other
guitars in humbucker or single coil format that provide six signal outs...
do these exist? Aren't the strings too close to each other to not
influence each other's coils?
As far as I can remember also, there's no way of isolating magnetic
field.
renato
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1 Feb
6:26 p.m.
New subject: [OT] guitar pickups: how to get separate signals for each string?
On Mon, 31 Jan 2011 17:20:42 +0800
jurgen <noise.now(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Roland hexaphonic pickup. RMC has a pre-amp in the
making.
huh, so those actually have coils? I thought they were mounted between
strings and bridge and had piezos for every string...
renato
2 Feb
2 Feb
3:28 p.m.
On 1/31/11, jurgen wrote:
Roland hexaphonic pickup.
Speaking of which, work on patch editor for the new shiny Roland GR-55
guitar synth that can make use of GK-3 divide pickup has started few
days ago:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/grfloorboard
The code base comes from GT FX FloorBoard project, of course :)
Alexandre Prokoudine
http://libregraphicsworld.org
3:59 a.m.
2011/1/31 Renato Budinich <rennabh(a)gmail.com>om>:
do these exist? Aren't the strings too close to
each other to not
influence each other's coils?
As far as I can remember also, there's no way of isolating magnetic
field.
i would imagine that as you know the output for the pickup for each
string, you can use it do do 'noise'-cancellation on the outputs for
the other strings. the same principle as noise-cancellation headphones
use
sorry, i haven't explained that very well, but can't think of better
words - ask if you want it explaining more
--
robin
http://tangleball.org.nz/ - Auckland's Creative Space
http://bumblepuppy.org/blog/
8:44 a.m.
On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:59 AM, Robin Paulson <robin.paulson(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
2011/1/31 Renato Budinich <rennabh(a)gmail.com>om>:
yes, I understand. Actually this guy, that is doing his own hexaphonic
pickups and is doing what you say in software, says that it doesn't change
very much (very last paragraph):
http://www.carmi.se/misterstarshine/Projects/5/index.htm
renato
do these exist? Aren't the strings too close
to each other to not
influence each other's coils?
As far as I can remember also, there's no way of isolating magnetic
field.
i would imagine that as you know the output for the pickup for each
string, you can use it do do 'noise'-cancellation on the outputs for
the other strings. the same principle as noise-cancellation headphones
use
sorry, i haven't explained that very well, but can't think of better
words - ask if you want it explaining more
10:15 a.m.
On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 8:44 AM, Renato Budinich <rennabh(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:59 AM, Robin Paulson <robin.paulson(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
but maybe he's not doing it right... who knows... to the DSP-gurus:
shouldn't this[1] be fairly easy and give good results?
[1]: subtracting from the signal of a string the signal of nearby strings,
multiplied by appropiate coefficient
renato
2011/1/31 Renato Budinich
<rennabh(a)gmail.com>om>:
yes, I understand. Actually this guy, that is doing his own hexaphonic
pickups and is doing what you say in software, says that it doesn't change
very much (very last paragraph):
http://www.carmi.se/misterstarshine/Projects/5/index.htm
renato
do these exist? Aren't the strings too close
to each other to not
influence each other's coils?
As far as I can remember also, there's no way of isolating magnetic
field.
i would imagine that as you know the output for the pickup for each
string, you can use it do do 'noise'-cancellation on the outputs for
the other strings. the same principle as noise-cancellation headphones
use
sorry, i haven't explained that very well, but can't think of better
words - ask if you want it explaining more
9:30 p.m.
New subject: [OT] guitar pickups: how to get separate signals for each string?
On Wed, Feb 02, 2011 at 10:15:45AM +0100, Renato Budinich wrote:
but maybe he's not doing it right... who knows...
to the DSP-gurus:
shouldn't this[1] be fairly easy and give good results?
[1]: subtracting from the signal of a string the signal of nearby strings,
multiplied by appropiate coefficient
Depends. You have to start with a reasonably low crosstalk, otherwise
combining the signals to separate the strings requires too much gain
and will be very sensitive to small variations in the crosstalk.
Another potential problem with this is that the vibration of a string
is the sum of two components: a vibration to/from the pickup, and one
orthogonal to that direction. These two modes could very well have
different crosstalk coefficients. If that's the case, separation of
the signals becomes almost impossible.
Ciao,
--
FA
There are three of them, and Alleline.
3 Feb
3 Feb
8:57 p.m.
New subject: [OT] guitar pickups: how to get separate signals for each string?
On Wed, 2 Feb 2011 21:30:35 +0100
fons(a)kokkinizita.net wrote:
On Wed, Feb 02, 2011 at 10:15:45AM +0100, Renato
Budinich wrote:
My first thought was 'use smaller pickups' but he seems to have already covered
that and noticed the improvement. The other thing he could try would be to turn
them into pot magnets, where the outer ring would tend to provide screening
from the neighbouring string/pickup. It might also help to slightly raise the
edges either side of the string.
In any case there are so many factors that can affect the way the string
vibrates that I don't see much hope of reliable crosstalk cancellation being
possible.
--
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.
but maybe he's not doing it right... who
knows... to the DSP-gurus:
shouldn't this[1] be fairly easy and give good results?
[1]: subtracting from the signal of a string the signal of nearby strings,
multiplied by appropiate coefficient
Depends. You have to start with a reasonably low crosstalk, otherwise
combining the signals to separate the strings requires too much gain
and will be very sensitive to small variations in the crosstalk.
Another potential problem with this is that the vibration of a string
is the sum of two components: a vibration to/from the pickup, and one
orthogonal to that direction. These two modes could very well have
different crosstalk coefficients. If that's the case, separation of
the signals becomes almost impossible.
Ciao, 
31 Jan
31 Jan
4:09 p.m.
New subject: [OT] guitar pickups: how to get separate signals for each string?
On Mon, 31 Jan 2011 00:56:36 +0100
Jörn Nettingsmeier <nettings(a)folkwang-hochschule.de> wrote:
a guitarist friend of mine is looking for ways to get
six separate
outputs from a guitar, one for each string. he has a godin multiac,
which comes with a 13-pin connector meant for the roland gr series
guitar synthesizers - i wonder what would be involved in using the
signal directly? if you've tried this, or know someone who has, please
holler!
next time i can get my hands on the instrument, i'll try some hi-z
preamps (i guess it's a more or less raw piezo output)...
also, i'd be interested to learn of replacement pickups for other
guitars in humbucker or single coil format that provide six signal
outs...
As pointed by others, have a look at the Roland GK3 hexaphonic pickup.
Then you might be interested by a PD patch made by Miller Puckette
himself :
http://www.mail-archive.com/pd-announce@iem.at/msg00400.html
HTH
-- David
4 Feb
4 Feb
1:41 a.m.
New subject: [OT] guitar pickups: how to get separate signals for each string?
Then you might be interested by a PD patch made by
Miller Puckette
himself :
http://www.mail-archive.com/pd-announce@iem.at/msg00400.html
He uses a custom pickup/interface under Linux which he and his students
built. On the LAC in Cologne (was it 2008?) he demonstrated it together
with his PD patch.
Cheers,
Malte
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1 Feb
1 Feb
1:48 a.m.
2011/1/31 Jörn Nettingsmeier <nettings(a)folkwang-hochschule.de>
hi *!
a guitarist friend of mine is looking for ways to get six separate
outputs from a guitar, one for each string. he has a godin multiac,
which comes with a 13-pin connector meant for the roland gr series
guitar synthesizers - i wonder what would be involved in using the
signal directly? if you've tried this, or know someone who has, please
holler!
next time i can get my hands on the instrument, i'll try some hi-z
preamps (i guess it's a more or less raw piezo output)...
also, i'd be interested to learn of replacement pickups for other
guitars in humbucker or single coil format that provide six signal outs...
best,
jörn
This chap also seems to specialize in kits for this:
http://rickygraham.com/break-out-box-kits-the-septar-board
-michael
9:32 a.m.
New subject: [OT] guitar pickups: how to get separate signals for each string?
http://www.stringport.com/ -- but I don't know wether it works with Linux.
/ Hans
Am 31.01.2011 00:56, Jörn Nettingsmeier schrieb:
hi *!
a guitarist friend of mine is looking for ways to get six separate
outputs from a guitar, one for each string. he has a godin multiac,
which comes with a 13-pin connector meant for the roland gr series
guitar synthesizers - i wonder what would be involved in using the
signal directly? if you've tried this, or know someone who has, please
holler!
next time i can get my hands on the instrument, i'll try some hi-z
preamps (i guess it's a more or less raw piezo output)...
also, i'd be interested to learn of replacement pickups for other
guitars in humbucker or single coil format that provide six signal outs...
best,
jörn
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9:35 p.m.
New subject: [OT] guitar pickups: how to get separate signals for each string?
thanks everybody for your helpful replies!
our first approach will be to use the godin's piezo outs as-is and feed
them to very high-impedance preamps, see what happens. when that gives
interesting results, the next step will be to explore magnetic or piezo
replacement pickups for other axes.
best regards,
jörn
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