6 Aug
2004
6 Aug
'04
12:17 a.m.
I need to stretch my wings a little and try something outside of
Mandrake 10.0...
Can I get some basic pros and cons of the different distro's you're
using? And especially from previous Mandrake users.
Been thinking about CCRMA because I'm used to packages but I would build
more stuff if it wasn't such a struggle every time I do it. Sometimes I
just need to install stuff and have it work and not spend 20 hours
sifting through Google hits, how to's, etc. I enjoy the learning and
Linux; I just don't have a lot of spare time.
Thanks
R~
6 Aug
6 Aug
12:33 a.m.
Russell Hanaghan wrote:
I need to stretch my wings a little and try something
outside of
Mandrake 10.0...
Can I get some basic pros and cons of the different distro's you're
using? And especially from previous Mandrake users.
Been thinking about CCRMA because I'm used to packages but I would build
more stuff if it wasn't such a struggle every time I do it. Sometimes I
just need to install stuff and have it work and not spend 20 hours
sifting through Google hits, how to's, etc. I enjoy the learning and
Linux; I just don't have a lot of spare time.
Thanks
R~
I highly recommend slackware, Luke runs www.audioslack.com, and while
not complete (and I don't use his kernel since I have a smp box) its
VERY FAST with little effort in setting up. On top of that, there's
always high quality addon packages from www.linuxpackages.net. On ccrma
I got xruns with my delta1010 on the 128/2/48khz setting, on slackware,
0. Notably: I disable any bs server daemons (except ssh) as well as run
fluxbox instead of one of the larger wm/de's. I never have any problems,
minus a few things I have to compile and install myself... but thats not
too hard :-) Thats my recommendation anyways, I've tried most of them...
debian, ccrma's rh, agnula demudi, etc etc... I just find slackware to
be clean and easy, very much a choice though :-)
NOTE: Please understand this IS an opinion, but should not be taken as
flamebait and what not...
Cheers
-Tom
2:52 a.m.
I need to stretch my wings a little and try something
outside of
Mandrake 10.0...
Can I get some basic pros and cons of the different distro's you're
using? And especially from previous Mandrake users.
Been thinking about CCRMA because I'm used to packages but I would build
more stuff if it wasn't such a struggle every time I do it. Sometimes I
just need to install stuff and have it work and not spend 20 hours
sifting through Google hits, how to's, etc. I enjoy the learning and
Linux; I just don't have a lot of spare time.
I feel the same way. I learned a lot using other distrobs. I already
learned what I need to know to be an effective administrator for my
system. But now that I use SuSE, I am able to focus purly on audio
because the other important computer related things are taken care of.
And it's allowed me the time to learn Tcl/Tk (scripting language and gui
tool kit) while building my first front-end. And the rest of the time is
well spent on things like writing scripts that tie things together and
make audio programs more usable.
Somebody recently posted to this list to mention that the SuSE team has
people that make sure that audio is working well. I knew that (must
have) been the case, because I've never had to apply low latency patches
or any tweeking of that nature to get audio to work well.
Installing has never presented me with a problem. And it also doesn't
"get in your way" by not letting you tweek things. Although, I never had
to use the "advanced" installer options, because the defaults have
always been very well chosen. Of course, I wouldn't let it give Windows
10 (or whatever) gigs of disk space. So I always do a manual partioning.
Alsa is properly setup... There's all the usual file systems (reiserfs,
tmpfs, ext(this) ext(that))... Every gui toolkit you need to run
front-ends... A bunch of different desktops to choose from. Development
tools...
The package installer (Yast) never leaves you in the dark. It's strait
forward and gives you different options (like "search" and "package
groupings") There's a wide range of programs that one needs for the
usual computer activities. And I like that fact that it always lets you
know what other (additional) programs and dependencies are being
installed (along with) the progam you're currently installing. And that
it's a good way to get to know how everything works together in the
linux/audio world. When a new version of a program comes out, I go to
the site and see what dependencies are nessesary. Then I go to the Yast
installer and check the versions that it offers. The version numbers are
listed so I know immediatly if I need to get an updated versions. But
that's not usually nessesay (If you have the latest release of SuSE).
Here's my usual pro/con... Audio programs tend to be several versions
behind the latest versions. But the libraries, gui toolkits and other
dependencies tend to be up to date. The "build environment" is set up
and ready to go. So plan on downloading the recent versions of your
programs and building them from scratch. I've also have succesfully
installed several .rpm's. The manual was pretty strait forward about how
to do it. But I've only done it several times (succesful both times).
These may be obvious... but if you go the SuSE route, and you want to
build a program that you just downloaded, make sure you install (in the
Yast installer) the "(whatever)-devel" equivalents. In other words, if
you're building an app and it says that you need libsndfile, then you
probly need to install (in Yast) libsndfile *and* libsndfile-devel
I'm one (or two) versions behind the latest SuSE release, so I *did*
have to build a my fist library since useing SuSE. It was the first time
I had to do... configure --prefix=/somewhere/other/than/usr/local.
Good luck,
Rocco
3:36 a.m.
Russell Hanaghan wrote:
I need to stretch my wings a little and try something
outside of
Mandrake 10.0...
Can I get some basic pros and cons of the different distro's you're
using? And especially from previous Mandrake users.
Been thinking about CCRMA because I'm used to packages but I would build
more stuff if it wasn't such a struggle every time I do it. Sometimes I
just need to install stuff and have it work and not spend 20 hours
sifting through Google hits, how to's, etc. I enjoy the learning and
Linux; I just don't have a lot of spare time.
Well, here's some opinions on Gentoo for ya... .. ..... .
http://www.funroll-loops.org/
http://www.linuxjunior.org/yabbse/index.php?board=7;action=display;threadid…
Why don't you just go ahead and try CCRMA with FC1 or FC2?
Chris
(I'm using Gentoo, but I rarely update it since I don't want to fix it
if something breaks)
3:54 a.m.
Chris Pickett wrote:
Russell Hanaghan wrote:
Sorry, here's the one I was looking for specifically:
http://greenfly.org/mes.html
(linked from funroll-loops.org, but in case you miss it)
I need to stretch my wings a little and try
something outside of
Mandrake 10.0...
Can I get some basic pros and cons of the different distro's you're
using? And especially from previous Mandrake users.
Been thinking about CCRMA because I'm used to packages but I would build
more stuff if it wasn't such a struggle every time I do it. Sometimes I
just need to install stuff and have it work and not spend 20 hours
sifting through Google hits, how to's, etc. I enjoy the learning and
Linux; I just don't have a lot of spare time.
Well, here's some opinions on Gentoo for ya... .. ..... .
http://www.funroll-loops.org/
http://www.linuxjunior.org/yabbse/index.php?board=7;action=display;threadid…
Why don't you just go ahead and try CCRMA with FC1 or FC2?
Chris
(I'm using Gentoo, but I rarely update it since I don't want to fix it
if something breaks)
5:33 a.m.
Chris Pickett wrote:
Chris Pickett wrote:
I'll give a vote for Gentoo too. Easy to install all the programs but I
spent half a lifetime trying to stop xruns from occuring. It works now
but unfortunately I'm at a loss to know exactly what it is I've
enabled/configured to allow my SB Live! to work so well.
Russell Hanaghan wrote:
Sorry, here's the one I was looking for specifically:
http://greenfly.org/mes.html
(linked from funroll-loops.org, but in case you miss it)
I need to stretch my wings a little and try
something outside of
Mandrake 10.0...
Can I get some basic pros and cons of the different distro's you're
using? And especially from previous Mandrake users.
Been thinking about CCRMA because I'm used to packages but I would
build
more stuff if it wasn't such a struggle every time I do it. Sometimes I
just need to install stuff and have it work and not spend 20 hours
sifting through Google hits, how to's, etc. I enjoy the learning and
Linux; I just don't have a lot of spare time.
Well, here's some opinions on Gentoo for ya... .. ..... .
http://www.funroll-loops.org/
http://www.linuxjunior.org/yabbse/index.php?board=7;action=display;threadid…
Why don't you just go ahead and try CCRMA with FC1 or FC2?
Chris
(I'm using Gentoo, but I rarely update it since I don't want to fix
it if something breaks)
1:08 p.m.
Chris Pickett wrote:
Well, here's some opinions on Gentoo for ya... ..
..... .
http://www.funroll-loops.org/
This one was hilarious! (And very true in some ways!) Actually, I'm a
Gentoo user on my laptop, but a CCRMA user on my older soft-synth box. I
like Gentoo alot, but not for the reasons most people give. It's not
faster in my experience. It doesn't have someone like Fernando
sheparding new apps and new users along. There's much confusion about
which kernel to use. (Did you do the CCRMA kernel Chris?) I do find that
raw code from the net builds more often on Gentoo than on Redhat, and
it's much easier to solve a dependency problem on Gentoo, but it's not
that Gentoo doesn't have dependeny problems. It does.
If I'm the sinking ship at the end of this page then so be it... ;-)
- Mark
1:58 p.m.
Mark Knecht wrote:
Chris Pickett wrote:
No, I'm using 2.6.7-gentoo-r5. Maybe I'll try the CCRMA kernel at some
point, or better yet, switch to one of the available audio
distributions. Who knows ... I'm tired of installation and upgrades and
configuration woes at this point, even if quasi-automated.
Well, here's some opinions on Gentoo for ya...
.. ..... .
http://www.funroll-loops.org/
This one was hilarious! (And very true in some ways!) Actually, I'm a
Gentoo user on my laptop, but a CCRMA user on my older soft-synth box. I
like Gentoo alot, but not for the reasons most people give. It's not
faster in my experience. It doesn't have someone like Fernando
sheparding new apps and new users along. There's much confusion about
which kernel to use. (Did you do the CCRMA kernel Chris?) I do find that
raw code from the net builds more often on Gentoo than on Redhat, and
it's much easier to solve a dependency problem on Gentoo, but it's not
that Gentoo doesn't have dependeny problems. It does. If I'm the sinking ship at the end of this page
then so be it... ;-)
Ok, so you should also see http://www.despair.com/indem.html :)
Chris
2:43 p.m.
Chris Pickett wrote:
No, I'm using 2.6.7-gentoo-r5. Maybe I'll try the CCRMA kernel at some
point, or better yet, switch to one of the available audio
distributions. Who knows ... I'm tired of installation and upgrades and
configuration woes at this point, even if quasi-automated.
Well, I'm back to 2.6.6 on my laptop, but that's because the Alsa folks
break drivers, don't test them, and then release them on the unassuming
world. Not a kind thing to do. ;-) I'm waiting for new, supposedly fixed
Alsa driver to make it into the development kernels so that I can move
forward.
I think that Gentoo is a lot of work when you decide to be very up to
date. I'm not speaking of ~x86 stuff. I'm meaning just keeping up with
updates, etc., is far too much time compiling. I have 4 Gentoo boxes
going these days. I'm pretty tired of it. (See this weeks 'automated
updates' thread on why it will likely never get better...)
You'd be smart to get a Gentoo box working and then just leave it alone
and write music. I get so sucked into all this this technology that it
takes too much time away from what you and I would rather be doing.
I've rebelled against using Suse for an audio distro due to a bad
encounter I had with them early on in my learning about Linux, but I do
think they make a good product. There's not many reason's to use Suse
without using Yast, or that's what I hear.
take care,
Mark
3:43 p.m.
Firstly, thanks much for all the replies and ideas...
On Fri, 2004-08-06 at 09:27, Mark Knecht wrote:
Chris Pickett wrote:
This I gotta avoid. I have that now with several MDK machines and even
though I get solid performance from URPMI, it's still more time than I
can afford and exactly as you say, it detracts from what I'd much rather
be doing anyway.
No, I'm using 2.6.7-gentoo-r5. Maybe I'll try the CCRMA kernel at some
point, or better yet, switch to one of the available audio
distributions. Who knows ... I'm tired of installation and upgrades and
configuration woes at this point, even if quasi-automated.
Well, I'm back to 2.6.6 on my laptop, but that's because the Alsa folks
break drivers, don't test them, and then release them on the unassuming
world. Not a kind thing to do. ;-) I'm waiting for new, supposedly fixed
Alsa driver to make it into the development kernels so that I can move
forward.
I think that Gentoo is a lot of work when you decide to be very up to
date. I'm not speaking of ~x86 stuff. I'm meaning just keeping up with
updates, etc., is far too much time compiling. I have 4 Gentoo boxes
going these days. I'm pretty tired of it. (See this weeks 'automated
updates' thread on why it will likely never get better...)
You'd be smart to get a Gentoo box working and then just leave it alone
and write music. I get so sucked into all this this technology that it
takes too much time away from what you and I would rather be doing.
I've rebelled against using Suse for an audio distro due to a bad
encounter I had with them early on in my learning about Linux, but I do
think they make a good product. There's not many reason's to use Suse
without using Yast, or that's what I hear.
take care,
Mark
As expected, many have dedicated and loyal opinions to their distro of
choice...it's one of the many attributes that makes Linux so awesome!
I guess I need something that has packages to save some time and then a
"package" support that keeps stuff up to date as much as possible...
I guess that is:
Planet CCRMA
Debian
Suse?
From what I see on the CCRMA site. looks like they stay
as current as
possible...I think apt is what they use? Is it relatively free from
dependency hell with lots of server repositories? I don't live that far
from SF bay area...I could always go bug Fernando! :) {BTW Fernando...I
was part of the crew that refurbished the Audio Visual dept. at Stanford
about 10 years ago! }
What about Suse packages?
From the Agnula sites, I dont see much in the way of
package variety? Is
that just what they post on the site and others are in
repository?
How up to date do the "deb" packages stay? I hear solid things about apt
so I'm not concerned about dependency stuff here.
Thanks a bunch! As always you guys and gals are awesome!
R~
5:03 p.m.
On Fri, 2004-08-06 at 10:28, Russell Hanaghan wrote:
Firstly, thanks much for all the replies and ideas...
As expected, many have dedicated and loyal opinions to their distro of
choice...it's one of the many attributes that makes Linux so awesome!
I guess I need something that has packages to save some time and then a
"package" support that keeps stuff up to date as much as possible...
I guess that is:
Planet CCRMA
Debian
Suse?
From what I see on the CCRMA site. looks like they stay as current as
possible...I think apt is what they use?
Yes, I use apt for rpm. Rpm is the basic underlying package manager. Apt
provides a higher level layer that makes sure that dependencies are met
when you install packages (apt was originally written for Debian and the
.deb packages, was ported over to use rpm packages by Conectiva).
Is it relatively free from dependency hell with lots
of server
repositories?
Yes. It should be completely free from that particular hell if you just
use the Planet CCRMA repository :-) If you add other apt repositories
(dag, freshrpms, atrpms come to mind) there may be conflicts, but I try
to be as compatible as possible and resolve them when/if they arise.
If you have the time and bandwidth you should try several distros for a
while and stay with the one you like most.
-- Fernando
I don't live that far from SF bay area...I could
always go bug Fernando! :)
{BTW Fernando...I was part of the crew that refurbished the Audio Visual
dept. at Stanford about 10 years ago! }
Wow... we're now in the middle of another renovation, our main building
is being rebuilt (was damaged in the '89 quake)...
5:20 p.m.
On Fri, 2004-08-06 at 11:48, Fernando Pablo Lopez-Lezcano wrote:
Time flies! I remember 2 people there that were staff...
One guy was "George" I think. He was the Maintenance engineer... Was
missing some digits on one hand...and the name of the girl who headed up
the dept eludes me. We spent a LOT of long hours there swapping out the
A/V routers, new racks, VTR's, consoles, etc.
I was with a company called B&B Systems from LA at the time. They are
now defunct.
Cheers,
R~
On Fri, 2004-08-06 at 10:28, Russell Hanaghan wrote:
I do...and I will. I think I will give CCRMA a shot first....especially
as I already have 2 of the Fedora core 1 iso's downloaded...
How is CCRMA doing with the 2.6 kernel issues in general?
Fernando
Firstly, thanks much for all the replies and
ideas...
As expected, many have dedicated and loyal opinions to their distro of
choice...it's one of the many attributes that makes Linux so awesome!
I guess I need something that has packages to save some time and then a
"package" support that keeps stuff up to date as much as possible...
I guess that is:
Planet CCRMA
Debian
Suse?
From what I see on the CCRMA site. looks like they stay as current as
possible...I think apt is what they use?
Yes, I use apt for rpm. Rpm is the basic underlying package manager. Apt
provides a higher level layer that makes sure that dependencies are met
when you install packages (apt was originally written for Debian and the
.deb packages, was ported over to use rpm packages by Conectiva).
Is it relatively free from dependency hell with
lots of server
repositories?
Yes. It should be completely free from that particular hell if you just
use the Planet CCRMA repository :-) If you add other apt repositories
(dag, freshrpms, atrpms come to mind) there may be conflicts, but I try
to be as compatible as possible and resolve them when/if they arise.
If you have the time and bandwidth you should try several distros for a
while and stay with the one you like most. I don't live that far from SF bay area...I
could always go bug Fernando! :)
{BTW Fernando...I was part of the crew that refurbished the Audio Visual
dept. at Stanford about 10 years ago! }
Wow... we're now in the middle of another renovation, our main building
is being rebuilt (was damaged in the '89 quake)...
6:07 p.m.
On Fri, 2004-08-06 at 12:04, Russell Hanaghan wrote:
On Fri, 2004-08-06 at 11:48, Fernando Pablo
Lopez-Lezcano wrote:
Well, a couple of days ago I started getting into sync again with the
latest and greatest latency patches (I was on a trip and then the move
to the new temporary trailers has been a humongous time sink). Andrew
Morton and Ingo Molnar have been busy, and Lee Revell - and others as
well - have been providing the raw data they need to fix problems.
I'm currently starting to test a new 2.6.7 kernel for FC2 (based on
rc2-mm2 and Ingo's voluntary preempt patches) and it does feel a LOT
better. Just booted into it yesterday for the first time. I can still
manage to get Jack to be unhappy with 2.6.x but there are no xruns when
testing with 128x2.
So, overall, a lot of progress has been happening!
-- Fernando
On Fri, 2004-08-06 at 10:28, Russell Hanaghan
wrote:
I do...and I will. I think I will give CCRMA a shot first....especially
as I already have 2 of the Fedora core 1 iso's downloaded...
How is CCRMA doing with the 2.6 kernel issues in general? Firstly, thanks much for all the replies and
ideas...
If you have the time and bandwidth you should try several distros for a
while and stay with the one you like most.
8:58 p.m.
From what I see on the CCRMA site. looks like they
stay as current as
possible...I think apt is what they use? Is it relatively free from
dependency hell with lots of server repositories?...
What about Suse packages?
If you install the pacages that come with SuSE (tons and tons... and
huge variety), you may never have a problem. Only several times (in 5
years using SuSE) have I found a program to not install correctly. *All*
dependencies are met. And it even lists what dependencies are being
installed *along* with the original program.
... Oh yea... I forgot... you have to click "accept" to install (hehe).
Don't forget to click "accept" (hehe)
Most of the (non) audio apps I've been using are out of the box. But
don't underestimate how much (audio) work you can get done if you have
other things in place. Audio is my primary activiy, but that spills into
writing a front end... which spills into needing a good text editor for
writing the tcl/tk scripts... which spills into creating buttons and
images for the front end... And all I need to do all of (the above) came
with SuSE.
I'm looking in the directory were I build new programs. They are mostly
audio apps. But there's a lot of programs that came with SuSE that will
probly not need to be updated... there's gui "port connectors" like
kaconnect (for midi connections), QJackConnect (for jack connections)
and other smaller (but time saving) progams that are ready to go. All
those are run out of the box. Oh... so does QJackCtrl for easy starting,
stopping and configuring of jack parimeters.
The irony is that when it came time to write a script that extracts
information from an aconnect command, having kaconnect at my fingertips
helped familiarize me with how things work with the alsa sequencer
ports. It didn't make me lazy. It just helped gave me an important
window to look into to get a grasp on the alsa sequencer ports. Even man
pages make sence to me (hehe).
I'm not a fanatic about this. I just want you to know one person's
experience with a certain distrob.
Rocco
7 Aug
7 Aug
3:11 a.m.
On Friday 06 August 2004 01:35 pm, LinuxMedia wrote:
I was a SuSE user for 3-4 years. It's really very slick but occasionally some
of the programs are a little stale. (caveat: I haven't used it since v8)
From what I
see on the CCRMA site. looks like they stay as current as
possible...I think apt is what they use? Is it relatively free from
dependency hell with lots of server repositories?...
What about Suse packages?
If you install the pacages that come with SuSE (tons and tons... and
huge variety), you may never have a problem. Only several times (in 5
years using SuSE) have I found a program to not install correctly. *All*
dependencies are met. And it even lists what dependencies are being
installed *along* with the original program.
... Oh yea... I forgot... you have to click "accept" to install (hehe).
Don't forget to click "accept" (hehe)
Most of the (non) audio apps I've been using are out of the box. But
don't underestimate how much (audio) work you can get done if you have
other things in place. Audio is my primary activiy, but that spills into
writing a front end... which spills into needing a good text editor for
writing the tcl/tk scripts... which spills into creating buttons and
images for the front end... And all I need to do all of (the above) came
with SuSE.
I'm looking in the directory were I build new
programs. They are mostly
audio apps. But there's a lot of programs that came with SuSE that will
probly not need to be updated... there's gui "port connectors" like
kaconnect (for midi connections), QJackConnect (for jack connections)
and other smaller (but time saving) progams that are ready to go. All
those are run out of the box. Oh... so does QJackCtrl for easy starting,
stopping and configuring of jack parimeters.
I don't know what version qjackctl SuSE is shipping but the one I'm using has
patchbays for MIDI and jack ports
The irony is that when it came time to write a script
that extracts
information from an aconnect command, having kaconnect at my fingertips
helped familiarize me with how things work with the alsa sequencer
ports. It didn't make me lazy. It just helped gave me an important
window to look into to get a grasp on the alsa sequencer ports. Even man
pages make sence to me (hehe).
I'm not a fanatic about this. I just want you to know one person's
experience with a certain distrob.
Rocco
Never used it for audio, but it's a very slick desktop.
12:34 p.m.
I was a SuSE user for 3-4 years. It's really very
slick but occasionally some
of the programs are a little stale. (caveat: I haven't used it since v8)
Maybe I'm confused about this. When I think of "audio distrobs" like
Planet, I picture wipeing out my hard drive and having just a dedicated
recording environment. But do these run along side an established
distrob (like debian, redhat...)? Do they coexist with them?
I don't know what version qjackctl SuSE is
shipping but the one I'm using has
patchbays for MIDI and jack ports
Thanks. Yea, I checked and my version is behind. There's no (midi) patch
bays. Nice feature. I need to upgrade, because it looks like that
eliminates the need to start up and run another program (kaconnect).
Rocco
3:18 p.m.
On Sat, 2004-08-07 at 04:10, LinuxMedia wrote:
Maybe I'm confused about this. When I think of
"audio distrobs" like
Planet, I picture wipeing out my hard drive and having just a dedicated
recording environment. But do these run along side an established
distrob (like debian, redhat...)? Do they coexist with them?
Yes. Just load FC1 (I always use the "everything" button for packages)
and then go get the planet stuff.
Jan
6:25 p.m.
On Sat, 2004-08-07 at 02:10, LinuxMedia wrote:
All current audio oriented distros or package collections are built on
top of some preexisting distribution (AFAIK). If you are already a user
of a distribution (Debian, RedHat/Fedora, Mandrake, Gentoo, etc), and
find a matching audio distro, you can just install it on top of what you
have (with the caveat that not all versions of all distros will have a
matching set of packages). Or if you install from scratch you are not
limited to just audio software, you can install whatever you want, it is
not necessary to have a "dedicated workstation" at all.
-- Fernando
I was a SuSE
user for 3-4 years. It's really very slick but occasionally some
of the programs are a little stale. (caveat: I haven't used it since v8)
Maybe I'm confused about this. When I think of "audio distrobs" like
Planet, I picture wipeing out my hard drive and having just a dedicated
recording environment. But do these run along side an established
distrob (like debian, redhat...)? Do they coexist with them?
8:36 p.m.
On Saturday 07 August 2004 05:10 am, LinuxMedia wrote:
A) I'm not following the thread too closely
B) SuSe is not considered an "audio" distribution
C) You can make any distribution an "audio distribution" by using ALSA, a
suitable kernel and building the programs you need if you can't get packages.
To finish the thought: SuSE can make a good base on which to build because
if you buy the "pro" version (or the basic version if you have broadband
internet), you get binaries for just about every progam there is.
This makes evaluation of what programs you want to actually spend the time
building a lot more streamlined.
BTW the MIDI patchbay in CVS qjackctl doesn't benefit from the "patchbay
persistance" option, like the jack ports, at least not yet. It could also use
a LADCCA save button, but there are options for plugin pre/post
startup/shutdown scripts.
I was a SuSE
user for 3-4 years. It's really very slick but occasionally
some of the programs are a little stale. (caveat: I haven't used it since
v8)
Maybe I'm confused about this. When I think of "audio distrobs" like
Planet, I picture wipeing out my hard drive and having just a dedicated
recording environment. But do these run along side an established
distrob (like debian, redhat...)? Do they coexist with them?
I don't
know what version qjackctl SuSE is shipping but the one I'm using
has patchbays for MIDI and jack ports
Thanks. Yea, I checked and my version is behind. There's no (midi) patch
bays. Nice feature. I need to upgrade, because it looks like that
eliminates the need to start up and run another program (kaconnect).
Rocco
8:44 p.m.
Last Saturday 07 August 2004 10:10, LinuxMedia was like:
Maybe I'm confused about this. When I think of
"audio distrobs" like
Planet, I picture wipeing out my hard drive and having just a dedicated
recording environment. But do these run along side an established
distrob (like debian, redhat...)? Do they coexist with them?
Yeah, Planet CCRMA works with Fedora Core 1 and AGNULA/DeMuDi Works with
Debian Testing.
cheers
tim hall
8:58 p.m.
On Saturday 07 August 2004 06:28 pm, tim hall wrote:
Last Saturday 07 August 2004 10:10, LinuxMedia was
like:
I'll be lazy and ask here; Is AGNULA based on Debian stable? Is it entirely
parallel of just add on audio?
Maybe I'm confused about this. When I think
of "audio distrobs" like
Planet, I picture wipeing out my hard drive and having just a dedicated
recording environment. But do these run along side an established
distrob (like debian, redhat...)? Do they coexist with them?
Yeah, Planet CCRMA works with Fedora Core 1 and AGNULA/DeMuDi Works with
Debian Testing.
cheers
tim hall
3:07 a.m.
On Sunday 08 August 2004 12:30 am, tim hall wrote:
Last Saturday 07 August 2004 23:42, John Check was
like:
Okay thats pretty awesome. I'll spend some time knocking around they website.
I'll be lazy and ask here; Is AGNULA based on
Debian stable? Is it
entirely parallel of just add on audio?
No, it's based on a Testing snapshot.
cheers
tim hall
1 Sep
1 Sep
8:34 a.m.
|--==> "JC" == John Check <j4strngs(a)bitless.net> writes:
JC> On Saturday 07 August 2004 06:28 pm, tim hall wrote:
>Last Saturday 07 August 2004 10:10, LinuxMedia was
like:
>> Maybe I'm confused about this. When I think of "audio distrobs"
like
>> Planet, I picture wipeing out my hard drive and having just a dedicated
>> recording environment. But do these run along side an established
>> distrob (like debian, redhat...)? Do they coexist with them?
>
>Yeah, Planet CCRMA works with Fedora Core 1 and AGNULA/DeMuDi Works with
>Debian Testing.
>
JC> I'll be lazy and ask here; Is AGNULA based on Debian stable? Is it entirely
JC> parallel of just add on audio?
Sorry for the late reply (I was on vacation).
It's based on Debian testing. It's entirely parallel, in the sense the
you can burn as self-contained installable A/DeMuDi CDROM ISO. However
you get a fully Debian compliant system, upgradable, and you can
install any Debian package you want of course.
Cheers,
Free Ekanayaka
9 Aug
9 Aug
11:16 a.m.
On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 09:10:48 +0000, LinuxMedia
<linuxmedia4(a)netscape.net> wrote:
Maybe I'm confused about this. When I think of
"audio distrobs"
like Planet, I picture wipeing out my hard drive and having just a
dedicated recording environment. But do these run along side an
established distrob (like debian, redhat...)? Do they coexist with
them?
Rocco
Hello Rocco,
Has anybody mentioned this other idea yet?
Using GRUB for the boot loader, you can have multiple Linux systems
on your computer. This allows you to have a general Linux system
for non-music topics, and a dedicated Linux system for the music.
Personal data point:
I have 2 hard drives in the desktop. Hard Drive A (HDA) has Windows
95B on 2 partitions and 1 Linux partition. Hard Drive B (HDB) has 2
Linux partitions. I installed GRUB to the Master Boot Record (MBR)
of HDA.
When I boot up, I can select Windows 95B, Mandrake Linux 9.1, or
Linux From Scratch (LFS) 5.1.1. (Set up GRUB's menu.lst file on HDB
in the Mandrake system correctly.) Windows 95B still has some
legacy music programs that I use, Mandrake Linux 9.1 does all the
email, web browsing, and office work, and the LFS I'm currently
building will be a dedicated music box. I'll be using IceWm for the
window manager on LFS, and I plan to build everything from tarballs;
no package manager of any kind.
The Windows system can't see the Linux partitions, but the Linux
systems can see the Windows 95B partitions. I've discovered through
LFS crashes that the Windows partitions are very robust and don't
seem to experience any problems when not unmounted properly. This
has given me the idea to use the Windows partitions as a safe backup
area for Linux tarballs and configuration files.
For LFS to see Mandrake, it was necessary to adjust the fstab file.
You have 2 fstab files: one for the Mandrake system and one for the
LFS system. In the Mandrake fstab, / uses the Mandrake partition
and I used /mnt/lfs for the LFS partition. In the LFS fstab, / uses
the LFS partition and I used /mnt/mandrake for the Mandrake
partition. All other partitions remained the same.
The LFS system will only have the minimal programs needed to build
and support the music applications. (I'm on a PII 350MHz machine.)
More information on LFS can be found at:
http://linuxfromscratch.idge.net/lfs/news.html
Regards,
Stephen.
1 p.m.
> Maybe I'm confused about this. When I think of
"audio distrobs" like
> Planet, I picture wipeing out my hard drive and having just a
> dedicated recording environment. But do these run along side an
> established distrob (like debian, redhat...)? Do they coexist with them?
> Rocco
Hello Rocco,
Has anybody mentioned this other idea yet?
Using GRUB for the boot loader, you can have multiple Linux systems on
your computer. This allows you to have a general Linux system for
non-music topics, and a dedicated Linux system for the music.
...
Regards,
Stephen.
Thanks for replying Stephen. I have way too many projects going which is
the reason I read your carefully put together information so quickly.
I've come across all the ideas you presented at different point since
I've been working with Linux/Audio. It just boils down to having too
many choices (what a great problem to have).
I would love to have several distrobs in a multi booting system. I think
the reason I've invested so much time with SuSE is that I've already
Invested so much time in learning it's ways. It's getting to the point
were (maybe) I've finally found the all around set-up that works for all
situations. The problem is compounded by the fact that I'm (not) running
the system (I) want to run because my (ultimate) goal is to be able to
set up all this great stuff for other people. And everyone I know runs
Windows. I need to be able to present them with what they know.
I just spent 2 days tweeking KDE and shutting off any unnessesary
services and configuring Konqueror to be able to take advantage of the
(many) features without creating a distracting mess. I almost gave up
and went back to FVWM2. But I've invested this much time in having one
system that works all around.
If I'm serious about setting up a audio workstations (for people that
have not known anything other than Windows), then it will have to be an
effective "general use" computer *and* have a solid, stable recording
environment. I say that because most people aren't oriented like any of
us on this list. I don't even know anyone that's even heard the term...
"Duel-booting".
Once I acheive these goals, then maybe I will put my focus to just
setting up dedicated audio workstations. Then I will have FluxBox, or
FVWM2 that will boot right into the workstation.
Thanks again,
Rocco
7 Aug
7 Aug
12:56 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] anyone seen my ladcca_control?
I didn't want to join the ladcca list because it looks like a developer
list.
I read everthing before building ladcca-0.4.0. I read several manuals
about how to run it. Everything seemed to be working as the docs
explained until I issued the command "ladcca_control" It reported
back... "ladcca_control: command not found". I even tried it in a root
shell and got the same message. I did a systemwide search for
"ladcca_control" and nothing by that name came up.
Ladcca looks really good. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Rocco
8:54 p.m.
New subject: OT was: Re: [linux-audio-user] anyone seen my ladcca_control?
On Saturday 07 August 2004 05:33 am, LinuxMedia wrote:
I didn't want to join the ladcca list because it
looks like a developer
list.
This email brings up several important point for the big picture, and I think
there is strategy to address them.
Flame if you must, but think before you react:
1) One has to subscribe to a thousand lists to stay on top of linux audio
2) The LA lists as a clearinghouse for info is suboptimal.
I read everthing before building ladcca-0.4.0. I read
several manuals
about how to run it. Everything seemed to be working as the docs
explained until I issued the command "ladcca_control" It reported
back... "ladcca_control: command not found". I even tried it in a root
shell and got the same message. I did a systemwide search for
"ladcca_control" and nothing by that name came up.
Are you sure you didn't have a typo? I just couldn't find laddca_control
myself ;;) DOH!
What was your install path (./configure --prefix) ? If /usr/local (the usual
default), is /usr/local/bin in your $PATH? It's not normally in root's $PATH
Two commands you may find handy
which - tells you which copy of a binary you are using, also comes in handy
for executing programs without typing the complete path if you quote it and
it's argument with backticks
j4strngs@xxxxx:~$ which ladcca_control
/usr/local/bin/ladcca_control
whereis - A lot like which, but tells you about programs not in you $PATH
j4strngs@xxxxx:~$ whereis ladcca_control
ladcca_control: /usr/bin/ladcca_control /usr/local/bin/ladcca_control
/usr/share/man/man1/ladcca_control.1.gz
You'll note whereis shows 2 existing binaries
Ladcca looks really good. Any help would be appreciated.
It's right up there with jack in terms of importance IMO.
I need to minimally put together ladcca wrapper scripts for qjackctl
Thanks,
Rocco
6 Aug
6 Aug
4:21 a.m.
Maybe you can try AGNULA. www.agnula.org
Best wishes,
Vedran Vucic
On Friday 06 August 2004 04:01, Russell Hanaghan wrote:
I need to stretch my wings a little and try something
outside of
Mandrake 10.0...
Can I get some basic pros and cons of the different distro's you're
using? And especially from previous Mandrake users.
Been thinking about CCRMA because I'm used to packages but I would build
more stuff if it wasn't such a struggle every time I do it. Sometimes I
just need to install stuff and have it work and not spend 20 hours
sifting through Google hits, how to's, etc. I enjoy the learning and
Linux; I just don't have a lot of spare time.
Thanks
R~
8:20 a.m.
Another option is slackware and the audioslack precompiled packages
http://www.audioslack.com/
I like it and use it - slackware is a nice contrast to the bigger distros.
On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 08:04:55 +0200, Vedran Vucic wrote
Maybe you can try AGNULA. www.agnula.org
Best wishes,
Vedran Vucic
On Friday 06 August 2004 04:01, Russell Hanaghan wrote:
> I need to stretch my wings a little and try something outside of
> Mandrake 10.0...
>
> Can I get some basic pros and cons of the different distro's you're
> using? And especially from previous Mandrake users.
>
> Been thinking about CCRMA because I'm used to packages but I would build
> more stuff if it wasn't such a struggle every time I do it. Sometimes I
> just need to install stuff and have it work and not spend 20 hours
> sifting through Google hits, how to's, etc. I enjoy the learning and
> Linux; I just don't have a lot of spare time.
>
>
>
> Thanks
> R~
9:50 a.m.
>>>> "Russell" == Russell
Hanaghan <hanaghan(a)starband.net> writes:
Russell> Can I get some basic pros and cons of the different
Russell> distro's you're using? And especially from previous
Russell> Mandrake users.
I switched from Mandrake to Debian in November of 2002, because I
couldn't keep urpmi working for more than about a month at a time, and
I never once managed to upgrade to a new Mandrake version. Debian
with apt and dpkg is much solider from those points of view than
Mandrake and urpmi.
Not that there aren't sometimes problems in Debian when you upgrade
everything at once, but apt-get and dpkg still work, and you can
usually upgrade only the things you're really interested in.
The audio I use is pretty minimal, and I haven't had packaging related
problems with it, as far as I know.
The only important package I know about that works a lot better under
Mandrake than under Debian is xemacs. I've ended up switching to
emacs because of the Debian xemacs packaging.
--
Laura (mailto:lconrad@laymusic.org , http://www.laymusic.org/ )
(617) 661-8097 fax: (501) 641-5011
233 Broadway, Cambridge, MA 02139
9:07 p.m.
I used to do everything by hand, from scratch. I've switched to the
planet for everything except JACK, Ardour, and JAMin. Life is now easy
;-) Fedora Core 1 is pretty nice and takes very little work. I use KDE
for my desktop instead of Gnome, otherwise it's pretty much stock.
Jan
On Thu, 2004-08-05 at 21:01, Russell Hanaghan wrote:
I need to stretch my wings a little and try something
outside of
Mandrake 10.0...
Can I get some basic pros and cons of the different distro's you're
using? And especially from previous Mandrake users.
Been thinking about CCRMA because I'm used to packages but I would build
more stuff if it wasn't such a struggle every time I do it. Sometimes I
just need to install stuff and have it work and not spend 20 hours
sifting through Google hits, how to's, etc. I enjoy the learning and
Linux; I just don't have a lot of spare time.
Thanks
R~
7 Aug
7 Aug
10:52 a.m.
Last Friday 06 August 2004 03:01, Russell Hanaghan was like:
I need to stretch my wings a little and try something
outside of
Mandrake 10.0...
Can I get some basic pros and cons of the different distro's you're
using? And especially from previous Mandrake users.
Been thinking about CCRMA because I'm used to packages but I would build
more stuff if it wasn't such a struggle every time I do it. Sometimes I
just need to install stuff and have it work and not spend 20 hours
sifting through Google hits, how to's, etc. I enjoy the learning and
Linux; I just don't have a lot of spare time.
AGNULA-1.2.0 Installs to a musically useable point in an hour.
I did once try Mandrake, I quite liked 6.x but 9.1 made me sad.
cheers
tim hall
11:48 a.m.
Last Friday 06 August 2004 03:01, Russell Hanaghan was
like:
> I need to stretch my wings a little and try something outside of
> Mandrake 10.0...
>
> Can I get some basic pros and cons of the different distro's you're
> using? And especially from previous Mandrake users.
I gave up with Mandrake at 8.0. It was OK(ish), but I have a nasty
habit of breaking _anything_ based on RPM.
Tried Planet, but based on RH meant endless RPM database woes for me :(
Ended up on Gentoo, but I can't really recommend it for general use by
others;
cons
1. easy to select configurations (via USE flags) that break your system
2. easy to select (via USE flags) configurations that _nearly_ work :(
3. takes ages to compile things from source, with little real benefit
4. fills your HD with source code (minor niggle really)
pros
1. i've not managed to break portage yet. this is numero-uno for me
because i killed MDK and RH several times - requiring a reinstall [note:
yes i do know about rpm dB locks and dB repair tools, but they failed to
fix my dB]
2. you choose how much cruft you want to install
3. 'portage' and dependency managment :)
4. package list is up-to-date
5. 'feels' more amenable to source installation of 'other' things -
probably because it hasn't been 'customised' to suit the whims of a
particular distro. I daresay distros may have standardised a little
more now.
I'm currently considering a change of distro too - I spend too long on
admin issues, and not enough time hacking/recording. Debian looks
interesting, but i need to find out how robust the underlying dB is
first...
good luck
R
12:09 p.m.
>>>> "robin" == robin fell
<robin.fell(a)ntlworld.com> writes:
robin> I'm currently considering a change of distro too - I spend
robin> too long on admin issues, and not enough time
robin> hacking/recording. Debian looks interesting, but i need to
robin> find out how robust the underlying dB is first...
I had the same problems as you did with RPM's, and have had no similar
issues with the Debian tools. I did have what looked like a db
problem after a massive update once, but running fsck on my root disk
turned out to completely fix it.
--
Laura (mailto:lconrad@laymusic.org , http://www.laymusic.org/ )
(617) 661-8097 fax: (501) 641-5011
233 Broadway, Cambridge, MA 02139
6:12 p.m.
On Sat, 2004-08-07 at 06:33, robin fell wrote:
Hmmm, not recently, right?
There were some problems in RH8 (or was it 9?) where sometimes rpm would
hang, but that was a while ago.
Last Friday 06
August 2004 03:01, Russell Hanaghan was like:
> I need to stretch my wings a little and try something outside of
> Mandrake 10.0...
>
> Can I get some basic pros and cons of the different distro's you're
> using? And especially from previous Mandrake users.
I gave up with Mandrake at 8.0. It was OK(ish), but I have a nasty
habit of breaking _anything_ based on RPM.
Tried Planet, but based on RH meant endless RPM database woes for me :( Ended up on Gentoo, but I can't really recommend
it for general use by
others;
cons
1. easy to select configurations (via USE flags) that break your system
2. easy to select (via USE flags) configurations that _nearly_ work :(
3. takes ages to compile things from source, with little real benefit
4. fills your HD with source code (minor niggle really)
pros
1. i've not managed to break portage yet. this is numero-uno for me
because i killed MDK and RH several times - requiring a reinstall [note:
yes i do know about rpm dB locks and dB repair tools, but they failed to
fix my dB]
Yuck.... I guess I'm lucky. I've never gotten that far in breaking a
system through rpm alone. Just curious, which is the last version of
rh/fc you tried?
I'm currently considering a change of distro too -
I spend too long on
admin issues, and not enough time hacking/recording.
Probably true of any distro if you want to use the latest versions of
audio packages (and who doesn't!). Let us know what you find...
-- Fernando
8:27 p.m.
On Saturday 07 August 2004 03:56 pm, Fernando Pablo Lopez-Lezcano wrote:
On Sat, 2004-08-07 at 06:33, robin fell wrote:
Hmmm, not recently, right?
There were some problems in RH8 (or was it 9?) where sometimes rpm would
hang, but that was a while ago.
One other Debian con, you have to run "unstable" if you want to be current.
Don't let the name fool you. I've only had it break once in the past year and
that was no biggie (at least for me)
Debian "stable" OTOH is the rock of gibraltar, but it's like a Douglas
DC-3;
There are no surprises left.
Last
Friday 06 August 2004 03:01, Russell Hanaghan was like:
> I need to stretch my wings a little and try something outside of
> Mandrake 10.0...
>
> Can I get some basic pros and cons of the different distro's you're
> using? And especially from previous Mandrake users.
I gave up with Mandrake at 8.0. It was OK(ish), but I have a nasty
habit of breaking _anything_ based on RPM.
Tried Planet, but based on RH meant endless RPM database woes for me :( Ended up on Gentoo, but I can't really
recommend it for general use by
others;
cons
1. easy to select configurations (via USE flags) that break your system
2. easy to select (via USE flags) configurations that _nearly_ work :(
3. takes ages to compile things from source, with little real benefit
4. fills your HD with source code (minor niggle really)
pros
1. i've not managed to break portage yet. this is numero-uno for me
because i killed MDK and RH several times - requiring a reinstall [note:
yes i do know about rpm dB locks and dB repair tools, but they failed to
fix my dB]
Yuck.... I guess I'm lucky. I've never gotten that far in breaking a
system through rpm alone. Just curious, which is the last version of
rh/fc you tried?
I'm currently considering a change of distro
too - I spend too long on
admin issues, and not enough time hacking/recording.
Probably true of any distro if you want to use the latest versions of
audio packages (and who doesn't!). Let us know what you find...
-- Fernando
8 Aug
8 Aug
7:54 a.m.
On Sat, 2004-08-07 at 20:56, Fernando Pablo Lopez-Lezcano wrote:
I finally gave up (in disgust) with RH8.0. Having had previous problems
with RPM in RH6.0 I figured I'd already wasted enough of my time
reinstalling. On the up-side, I can now drive cfdisk with my eyes shut.
that's why i'm thinking seriously as to whether it's worth the effort.
a lot of the gentoo misery can be eliminated with stage-3 tarballs
(almost complete precompiled binaries), and the KDE-libs, X, etc pain
ameliorated by building overnight.
sigh - perhaps i'll just stick with what's working....
R
On Sat, 2004-08-07 at 06:33, robin fell wrote:
Early 2003. I was running Gentoo but was trying to reduce my admin
workload - hence investigating RH8.
Tried Planet, but based on RH meant endless RPM
database woes for me :(
Hmmm, not recently, right?
There were some problems in RH8 (or was it 9?) where sometimes rpm would
hang, but that was a while ago. 1. i've
not managed to break portage yet. this is numero-uno for me
because i killed MDK and RH several times - requiring a reinstall [note:
yes i do know about rpm dB locks and dB repair tools, but they failed to
fix my dB]
Yuck.... I guess I'm lucky. I've never gotten that far in breaking a
system through rpm alone. Just curious, which is the last version of
rh/fc you tried? I'm
currently considering a change of distro too - I spend too long on
admin issues, and not enough time hacking/recording.
Probably true of any distro if you want to use the latest versions of
audio packages (and who doesn't!). Let us know what you find...
7 Aug
7 Aug
8:13 p.m.
On Saturday 07 August 2004 09:33 am, robin fell wrote:
I don't recall ever hearing anybody wedging the package management
system. I've seen rpm break on RH, not on SuSE.
Debian cons:
1) Packages are split up way too finely, but I don't build embedded systems.
2) RH experience doesn't translate well (really a RH con)
3) All those little "they really need a utility for this" utilities actually
exist, but you have to look in the policy manual to find out.
Pros:
1) Package management is superb
2) A smooth upgrade path is high priority
3) After armageddon, the Dodge Dart driving cockroaches will still be running
Debian
Last Friday 06
August 2004 03:01, Russell Hanaghan was like:
> I need to stretch my wings a little and try something outside of
> Mandrake 10.0...
>
> Can I get some basic pros and cons of the different distro's you're
> using? And especially from previous Mandrake users.
I gave up with Mandrake at 8.0. It was OK(ish), but I have a nasty
habit of breaking _anything_ based on RPM.
Tried Planet, but based on RH meant endless RPM database woes for me :(
Ended up on Gentoo, but I can't really recommend it for general use by
others;
cons
1. easy to select configurations (via USE flags) that break your system
2. easy to select (via USE flags) configurations that _nearly_ work :(
3. takes ages to compile things from source, with little real benefit
4. fills your HD with source code (minor niggle really)
pros
1. i've not managed to break portage yet. this is numero-uno for me
because i killed MDK and RH several times - requiring a reinstall [note:
yes i do know about rpm dB locks and dB repair tools, but they failed to
fix my dB]
2. you choose how much cruft you want to install
3. 'portage' and dependency managment :)
4. package list is up-to-date
5. 'feels' more amenable to source installation of 'other' things -
probably because it hasn't been 'customised' to suit the whims of a
particular distro. I daresay distros may have standardised a little
more now.
I'm currently considering a change of distro too - I spend too long on
admin issues, and not enough time hacking/recording. Debian looks
interesting, but i need to find out how robust the underlying dB is
first...
good luck
R
8 Aug
8 Aug
6:24 a.m.
On Sat, 2004-08-07 at 14:57, John Check wrote:
On Saturday 07 August 2004 09:33 am, robin fell
wrote:
I don't recall ever hearing anybody wedging the package management
system. I've seen rpm break on RH, not on SuSE.
Debian cons:
1) Packages are split up way too finely, but I don't build embedded systems.
2) RH experience doesn't translate well (really a RH con)
3) All those little "they really need a utility for this" utilities actually
exist, but you have to look in the policy manual to find out.
Pros:
1) Package management is superb
2) A smooth upgrade path is high priority
3) After armageddon, the Dodge Dart driving cockroaches will still be running
Debian
Now that last line I like! :)
Thanks for the info!
R~
Last
Friday 06 August 2004 03:01, Russell Hanaghan was like:
> I need to stretch my wings a little and try something outside of
> Mandrake 10.0...
>
> Can I get some basic pros and cons of the different distro's you're
> using? And especially from previous Mandrake users.
I gave up with Mandrake at 8.0. It was OK(ish), but I have a nasty
habit of breaking _anything_ based on RPM.
Tried Planet, but based on RH meant endless RPM database woes for me :(
Ended up on Gentoo, but I can't really recommend it for general use by
others;
cons
1. easy to select configurations (via USE flags) that break your system
2. easy to select (via USE flags) configurations that _nearly_ work :(
3. takes ages to compile things from source, with little real benefit
4. fills your HD with source code (minor niggle really)
pros
1. i've not managed to break portage yet. this is numero-uno for me
because i killed MDK and RH several times - requiring a reinstall [note:
yes i do know about rpm dB locks and dB repair tools, but they failed to
fix my dB]
2. you choose how much cruft you want to install
3. 'portage' and dependency managment :)
4. package list is up-to-date
5. 'feels' more amenable to source installation of 'other' things -
probably because it hasn't been 'customised' to suit the whims of a
particular distro. I daresay distros may have standardised a little
more now.
I'm currently considering a change of distro too - I spend too long on
admin issues, and not enough time hacking/recording. Debian looks
interesting, but i need to find out how robust the underlying dB is
first...
>
> good luck
> R
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