Re: [linux-audio-user] Filling in some holes in my largely limited linux and audio knowledge
18 Mar
2005
18 Mar
'05
8:50 a.m.
Quoting thewade <pdman(a)aproximation.org>rg>:
Before you publish a track, either on CD or on the
net, how do you
insure someone else wont put their name on your track and take credit
for it?
There is a quite low-tech much used technique for this. Make a demo of the
song, or the whole song on a CD/cassette/anything. Put it in an envelope
with a written, signed and timestamped letter explaining the contents (and
maybe a usage license like creative commons). Seal the envelope so that
opening it would break the seal. Then mail the envelope to yourself,
preferably via certified mail.
Last, and the most important step, is to not open the letter after you
receive it.
In case of someone stealing your song, open the letter in court, or with a
clerk, notary etc. present who then can prove that the package wasn't opened
earlier and what the package contained and when the package was sealed.
This method is known in the popular music industry for having proof of when
you have made the song.
(just remember to get all the details right, I might have left something
important out)
Sampo
18 Mar
18 Mar
6:36 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Filling in some holes in my largely limited linux and audio knowledge
Sampo Savolainen wrote:
Quoting thewade <pdman(a)aproximation.org>rg>:
Just FYI, this will not stand up in court. This topic came up in my
media law studies, and there are specific court cases where this
technique has been thrown out.
There's this cool little thing called copyright. I would recommend using
it. Technically there is a common law copyright where everything is
copyrighted as soon as you create it, and this DOES stand up in court.
It does help to actually have a formal copyright though where you can
reference an ID# for your work.
-Reuben
Before you publish a track, either on CD or on the
net, how do you
insure someone else wont put their name on your track and take credit
for it?
There is a quite low-tech much used technique for this. Make a demo of the
song, or the whole song on a CD/cassette/anything. Put it in an envelope
with a written, signed and timestamped letter explaining the contents (and
maybe a usage license like creative commons). Seal the envelope so that
opening it would break the seal. Then mail the envelope to yourself,
preferably via certified mail.
Last, and the most important step, is to not open the letter after you
receive it.
In case of someone stealing your song, open the letter in court, or with a
clerk, notary etc. present who then can prove that the package wasn't opened
earlier and what the package contained and when the package was sealed.
This method is known in the popular music industry for having proof of when
you have made the song.
(just remember to get all the details right, I might have left something
important out)
Sampo
8:05 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Filling in some holes in my largely limited linux and audio knowledge
On Fri, Mar 18, 2005 at 03:18:31PM -0600, Reuben Martin wrote:
Sampo Savolainen wrote:
In my reading of the LAD archives I happen to have just read almost
exactly the same conversation from when it occured in March of 2000.
Quoting thewade <pdman(a)aproximation.org>rg>:
Just FYI, this will not stand up in court. This topic came up in my
media law studies, and there are specific court cases where this
technique has been thrown out. Before you publish a track, either on CD or on the
net, how do you
insure someone else wont put their name on your track and take credit
for it?
There is a quite low-tech much used technique for this. Make a demo of the
song, or the whole song on a CD/cassette/anything. Put it in an envelope
with a written, signed and timestamped letter explaining the contents (and
maybe a usage license like creative commons). Seal the envelope so that
opening it would break the seal. Then mail the envelope to yourself,
preferably via certified mail.
Last, and the most important step, is to not open the letter after you
receive it.
In case of someone stealing your song, open the letter in court, or with a
clerk, notary etc. present who then can prove that the package wasn't
opened
earlier and what the package contained and when the package was sealed.
This method is known in the popular music industry for having proof of when
you have made the song.
(just remember to get all the details right, I might have left something
important out) There's this cool little thing called copyright. I
would recommend using
it. Technically there is a common law copyright where everything is
copyrighted as soon as you create it, and this DOES stand up in court.
It does help to actually have a formal copyright though where you can
reference an ID# for your work.
For my own work, I don't know how to manage this. The nature of the way
I work produces a lot of output that is largely snapshots of an ongoing,
evolutionary process. That is, for much of it there is no finished work.
I just can't see submitting every single, almost daily, .ogg file I
create to a copyright authority.
Not that I really think anyone is ever going to want to take the blame
for my noises. ;)
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21 Mar
21 Mar
7:03 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Filling in some holes in my largely limited linux and audio knowledge
Last Saturday 19 March 2005 00:05, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki was like:
For my own work, I don't know how to manage this.
The nature of the way
I work produces a lot of output that is largely snapshots of an ongoing,
evolutionary process. That is, for much of it there is no finished work.
I just can't see submitting every single, almost daily, .ogg file I
create to a copyright authority.
You wouldn't need to. You own the copyright in those recordings anyway.
Posting a representative version of each piece to yourself may help to prove
that you had created the piece at a certain time if you needed to do so. The
fact that you could probably point to various time stamped backups and email
notices that you may have produced would further strengthen the case.
I've just discovered a cover of one of my band's songs on a commercial-ish
production with no attempt at correct attribution. It's also apparently
dreadful, why does that always seem to be the way? We shall be getting the
letterheads out. Seeing as we released the song on a tape sixteen years ago,
we shouldn't have too much problem with proof. I doubt, of course, that it
will come to that. The artist in question probably simply needs to be
informed that it is copyright material and that they have a legal obligation
to correctly credit the author of the piece. In the kind of realms we move in
(i.e. outside the music biz) legal action would be pointless. We will
probably advise them not to meddle in the affairs of bards, for they are
slyly subtle and skilled at satire. ;-) They'll be begging us for mercy after
all that alliteration!
cheers,
tim hall
http://glastonburymusic.org.uk
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