25 Oct
2008
25 Oct
'08
11:33 p.m.
Just starting to build my Linux audio studio, and having lots of fun so
far. Installed Jack, qjackctl, ardour, rosegarden, and bought the Edirol
FA-101, all working "out of the box". Pretty amazing.
Now what I'd like is an iPod player that's Jack aware. When I plug my iPod
into USB, Rythmbox understands the format and plays the media on it, but of
course, it won't play into my FA-101 'cuz it appears to have no support for
Jack. Anyone have a recommendation for an iPod player that's Jack aware for
Ubuntu 8.04?
Second question:
Any recommendations for an initial set of plugins for the basics in Ardour,
like Reverb, Chorus, etc.
Many thanks,
Chris
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26 Oct
26 Oct
6:21 a.m.
Hi!
For ipod: not 100%, but mplayer is a good guess. I suppose for this to work
you'll have to compile mplayer yourself. BUT, don't panic! Does your rhythmbox
have ALSA support? If so, we can work around it and leave the experience of
building software from source for a later date.
Plugins for ardour: If you didn't install anything yet: swh-plugins (a
general suite, very big collection), CAPS (a bit smaller, but some impressive
plugins especially for handmade music and/or 60s/70s), tap-plugins (another
multiplugin suite, which contains some helpful things). Then you might want:
REV-plugins (wonderful reverb for a lot of purposes), FIL-plugins (a
parametric four-band EQ, which has done GREAT for me) and vlevel (a volume
fader-automation, good for accoustic recordings first step).
For really good reverb you might think about jconv and it's GUI
relationship. But I don't think you'll get that directly from the Ubuntu
package pool. I'll bet, we get to this later.
Hope that helps and have fun!
Don't forget: Look if rhythmbox does ALSA and we may get around to solving
it.
Kindest regards
Julien
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Chris Hallinan schrieb:
Now what I'd like is an iPod player that's
Jack aware. When I plug my iPod
into USB, Rythmbox understands the format and plays the media on it, but of
course, it won't play into my FA-101 'cuz it appears to have no support for
Jack. Anyone have a recommendation for an iPod player that's Jack aware for
Ubuntu 8.04?
1.) get Amarok and KDE3
2.) make sure xinelib is jack-aware. There is a plugin for xinelib
called xine-jack yet I did not test that on Ubuntu, I build xinelib
myself with jack-support...
3.) Amarok works with the IPod (and many other player-gadgets too) if it
is set to use the xine-backend it will play via jack if jack is active.
Maybe you need to open xine before and choose the Jack as the
audio-output before - you only need to do the latter once.
Works just great for me ;-)
For everyday-audio I use alsaplayer that supports jack as well and
starts playing before its GUI is up -- very fast that is ;-)
Second question:
Any recommendations for an initial set of plugins for the basics in Ardour,
like Reverb, Chorus, etc.
The Ardour workflow is modular, its initial setup is with no plug ins
at all. If you really want plugins to be involved from the start:
1.) make a new project without recording or importing anything
2.) add 2-3 tracks as buses and insert plugins to your liking in them.
3.) store it as a template
You can then insert sends in your tracks that transport signals to the
FX-buses or make a right-klick on one of the plugins in the mixer-strip
and copy/paste them in individual tracks.
good luck :-)
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3:40 p.m.
On Sat, 2008-10-25 at 21:33 -0400, Chris Hallinan wrote:
Just starting to build my Linux audio studio, and
having lots of fun
so far. Installed Jack, qjackctl, ardour, rosegarden, and bought the
Edirol FA-101, all working "out of the box". Pretty amazing.
Now what I'd like is an iPod player that's Jack aware. When I plug my
iPod into USB, Rythmbox understands the format and plays the media on
it, but of course, it won't play into my FA-101 'cuz it appears to
have no support for Jack. Anyone have a recommendation for an iPod
player that's Jack aware for Ubuntu 8.04?
Rhythmbox doesn't do audio I/O, GStreamer does. And GStreamer *is* JACK
aware. You just need the gstreamer JACK plugin. Then you need to
configure gnome-sound-properties, which is frankly a hassle. i did it a
few weeks ago, and i've already forgotten what i had to do :(
Second question:
Any recommendations for an initial set of plugins for the basics in Ardour, like Reverb,
Chorus, etc.
http://ardour.org/plugins
7:37 p.m.
New subject: Pulseaudio and Jack (was: Jack aware audio player for ipod)
Paul Davis schrieb:
On Sat, 2008-10-25 at 21:33 -0400, Chris Hallinan
wrote:
Yet another possibility is to use pulseaudio. I've read lots of rather
negative comments regarding pulseaudio on this list in the past, but I
tried it after reading this thread and so far it works very well for me.
There's no pulseaudio jack package in Ubuntu but the package from Debian
unstable works like a charm. You probably want the libflashsupport
package as well; then switch everything to pulseaudio: in the audio
preferences dialogue, xine, amarok (uses xine on Ubuntu). Load the jack
module in the pulseaudio configuration file and that's it; probably use
the pulseaudio applet to control everything. You can even switch from
plain alsa to jack while pulseaudio is running by removing and loading
the respective modules, although it seems simpler to just restart it
with a different configuration file.
The only thing that does not work is starting jack automatically. If I
start jack and then pulseaudio with the appropriate configuration
everything is fine. But if I just start pulseaudio it tries to start
jack itself and fails:
$ pulseaudio -nF /etc/pulse/jackd.pa
jackd 0.109.2
Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others.
jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY
This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it
under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details
JACK compiled with System V SHM support.
cannot use real-time scheduling (FIFO at priority 10) [for thread
1210771792, from thread -1210771792] (1: Operation not permitted)
cannot create engine
E: module-jack-sink.c: jack_client_open() failed.
E: module.c: Failed to load module "module-jack-sink" (argument:
"channels=2"): initialization failed.
E: main.c: Module load failed.
E: main.c: Failed to initialize daemon.
Does not make much sense to me as jack just works fine on this system,
with realtime privileges and everything. Pulseaudio is running as the
same user (me), so there should be no problem really. Does anybody have
any idea as to what could be the reason?
Regards,
Burkhard
Just starting to build my Linux audio studio, and
having lots of fun
so far. Installed Jack, qjackctl, ardour, rosegarden, and bought the
Edirol FA-101, all working "out of the box". Pretty amazing.
Now what I'd like is an iPod player that's Jack aware. When I plug my
iPod into USB, Rythmbox understands the format and plays the media on
it, but of course, it won't play into my FA-101 'cuz it appears to
have no support for Jack. Anyone have a recommendation for an iPod
player that's Jack aware for Ubuntu 8.04?
Rhythmbox doesn't do audio I/O, GStreamer does. And GStreamer *is* JACK
aware. You just need the gstreamer JACK plugin. Then you need to
configure gnome-sound-properties, which is frankly a hassle. i did it a
few weeks ago, and i've already forgotten what i had to do :(
11:19 p.m.
On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Paul Davis <paul(a)linuxaudiosystems.com>wrote;wrote:
On Sat, 2008-10-25 at 21:33 -0400, Chris Hallinan
wrote:
Thanks, Paul. That helps me start to understand the "big picture!"
Now that I have your attention :) can I direct the conversation back to one
of the original question: is it possible to run Jackd (via qjackctl,
preferrably) with support for both freebob and alsa, so that, for example, I
can route some audio streams to my FA-101 (via freebob/firewire) and others
to my ALSA output ports? Right now, I've only figured out how to run it
with either ALSA or FreeBob backends. While both work great separately, I'd
like to have both sets of ports (FA-101 i/o and ALSA capture/playback)
appear together in the connections widget. Or more likely, I'm missing
something more fundamental in my understanding! Many thanks.
Oh, and if you'd like some help documenting some of this stuff, as time
permits, I'd be delighted. I'm not too bad at writing. Google "Embedded
Linux Primer" and contact me off list if you'd like some help on
jackaudio.org or elsewhere.
Regards,
Chris
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Just starting to build my Linux audio studio, and
having lots of fun
so far. Installed Jack, qjackctl, ardour, rosegarden, and bought the
Edirol FA-101, all working "out of the box". Pretty amazing.
Now what I'd like is an iPod player that's Jack aware. When I plug my
iPod into USB, Rythmbox understands the format and plays the media on
it, but of course, it won't play into my FA-101 'cuz it appears to
have no support for Jack. Anyone have a recommendation for an iPod
player that's Jack aware for Ubuntu 8.04?
Rhythmbox doesn't do audio I/O, GStreamer does. And GStreamer *is* JACK
aware. You just need the gstreamer JACK plugin. Then you need to
configure gnome-sound-properties, which is frankly a hassle. i did it a
few weeks ago, and i've already forgotten what i had to do :(
27 Oct
27 Oct
6:08 a.m.
Am Montag, 27. Oktober 2008 schrieb Chris Hallinan:
Now that I have your attention :) can I direct the
conversation back to one
of the original question: is it possible to run Jackd (via qjackctl,
preferrably) with support for both freebob and alsa, so that, for example,
I can route some audio streams to my FA-101 (via freebob/firewire) and
others to my ALSA output ports? Right now, I've only figured out how to
run it with either ALSA or FreeBob backends. While both work great
separately, I'd like to have both sets of ports (FA-101 i/o and ALSA
capture/playback) appear together in the connections widget. Or more
likely, I'm missing something more fundamental in my understanding! Many
thanks.
Please search the archives for "syncing two soundcards". What was written in
the past for syncing two pci cards also applies for syncing a pci card and a
firewire device.
And I don't feel like answering the very same question yet again...
Have fun,
Arnold
PS: The basic answer to your question is: It's not possible unless your
hardware provides external syncing and you do some software hacking...
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Arnold Krille wrote:
Am Montag, 27. Oktober 2008 schrieb Chris Hallinan:
the alsa_in and alsa_out tools that come with netjack allow this without
external sync.
Greets,
Pieter
Now that I have your attention :) can I direct
the conversation back to one
of the original question: is it possible to run Jackd (via qjackctl,
preferrably) with support for both freebob and alsa, so that, for example,
I can route some audio streams to my FA-101 (via freebob/firewire) and
others to my ALSA output ports? Right now, I've only figured out how to
run it with either ALSA or FreeBob backends. While both work great
separately, I'd like to have both sets of ports (FA-101 i/o and ALSA
capture/playback) appear together in the connections widget. Or more
likely, I'm missing something more fundamental in my understanding! Many
thanks.
Please search the archives for "syncing two soundcards". What was written in
the past for syncing two pci cards also applies for syncing a pci card and a
firewire device.
And I don't feel like answering the very same question yet again...
Have fun,
Arnold
PS: The basic answer to your question is: It's not possible unless your
hardware provides external syncing and you do some software hacking...
7:05 a.m.
Am Montag, 27. Oktober 2008 schrieb Pieter Palmers:
Arnold Krille wrote:
Yes. And they buy that with latency (they have to). Which is then a different
latency then that of the devices itself. And as I don't really want people
complaining about that, I think its better to have them know why it doesn't
work as simple as they expect. (Which was discussed in much detail in the
past.)
Arnold
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It's not possible unless your
hardware provides external syncing and you do some software hacking...
the alsa_in
and alsa_out tools that come with netjack allow this without
external sync.
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