19 Aug
2005
19 Aug
'05
4:06 p.m.
Hi LAUs,
I've been trying to understand how to get my burned audio CDs to have
the "Artist", "Album" and "Song" titles show up in my CD
Player. If I
put a commercial CD in my drive it does, indeed, show the artist name,
album title and track names in "CD Player".
I'm running Fedora Core 3 (CCRMA) and have a ASUS CRW-5232AS CD Burner.
I'm using XCDROAST to burn my CDs and it does a fine job burning.
In xcdroast, I enter the CD Text I want and pick Disk-At-Once (DAO) mode
and the CD gets burned fine but the CD TEXT apparently does not get
written.
Does my burner not support this? It is an inexpensive burner but the
specs on ASUS's site say it supports the following "Disk Formats":
CD-DA, CD-ROM, CD-ROM/XA, Photo CD, Mixed Mode CD-ROM, CD-I, CD-Extra,
CD-Text, Video CD, DVCD, Bootable CD
Any help understanding this issue would sure be appreciated.
Thanks,
Mike
Mike Jewell
One-Up Audio
19 Aug
19 Aug
4:24 p.m.
On 8/19/05, Mike Jewell <mj405(a)oneupaudio.com> wrote:
I've been trying to understand how to get my
burned audio CDs to have
the "Artist", "Album" and "Song" titles show up in my CD
Player. If I
put a commercial CD in my drive it does, indeed, show the artist name,
album title and track names in "CD Player".
Have you checked though how this information is obtained? Your player
may be checking the CD agains a CDDB data base in order to obtain that
info. (Very few commercial CDs actually include CD-Text)
Does my burner not support this? It is an inexpensive burner but the
specs on ASUS's site say it supports the following "Disk Formats":
CD-DA, CD-ROM, CD-ROM/XA, Photo CD, Mixed Mode CD-ROM, CD-I, CD-Extra,
CD-Text, Video CD, DVCD, Bootable CD
Just because it supports reading CD-Text, doesn't mean it supports
writing CD-Text (although it very well may). Also, you will generally
have better success writing CDs like this in RAW mode, if your burner
supports it.
If you must buy a different CD burner in order to get the features you
want, I would recommend Plextor.
20 Aug
20 Aug
1:13 p.m.
On Fri, 2005-08-19 at 13:24 -0500, Reuben Martin wrote:
If it is possible to put this info directly on the CD, why wouldn't
everyone do it? In a production environment (or even onesy-twosy) is
seems like it would be trivial once you figured it out and had the write
hardware. So what if most players couldn't read it. If it cost nothing
to add it, what's to be lost?
Mike
Mike Jewell
One-Up Audio
On 8/19/05, Mike Jewell <mj405(a)oneupaudio.com>
wrote:
Thanks for the pointer. I didn't know anything about CDDB, etc. So I
did some research on Google and now I know a bit more. Then I did some
experimentation with my system. I'm using "CD Player" that comes with
Gnome. The documentation doesn't tell much but I noticed that it had a
"CDDB Track Editor" with a "Save" button. I guessed it was being
saved
in a hidden directory in my home dir. Sure enough, .cddbslave has files
for each CD it has ever found CDDB info on. I removed them all and
disconnected the LAN cable and now the CDs that previously showed the
Artist/Title/Track info show "Unknown". Plug LAN back in and rerun "CD
Player" and the info is back and the .cddbslave file is re-written!
So, yes, my player is getting it from some CD Data Base on the net. I
wonder which one... Gracenote, who apparently owns the original "CDDB"
says they don't charge for non-commercial licenses so that's probably
where "CD Player" is getting it but it might be "freedb.org".
Anyone know?
I've been trying to understand how to get my
burned audio CDs to have
the "Artist", "Album" and "Song" titles show up in my CD
Player. If I
put a commercial CD in my drive it does, indeed, show the artist name,
album title and track names in "CD Player".
Have you checked though how this information is obtained? Your player
may be checking the CD agains a CDDB data base in order to obtain that
info. (Very few commercial CDs actually include CD-Text)
Does my burner not support this? It is an inexpensive burner but the
specs on ASUS's site say it supports the following "Disk Formats":
CD-DA, CD-ROM, CD-ROM/XA, Photo CD, Mixed Mode CD-ROM, CD-I, CD-Extra,
CD-Text, Video CD, DVCD, Bootable CD
Just because it supports reading CD-Text, doesn't mean it supports
writing CD-Text (although it very well may). Also, you will generally
have better success writing CDs like this in RAW mode, if your burner
supports it.
11:26 p.m.
On 8/20/05, Mike Jewell <mj405(a)oneupaudio.com> wrote:
If it is possible to put this info directly on the CD,
why wouldn't
everyone do it? In a production environment (or even onesy-twosy) is
seems like it would be trivial once you figured it out and had the write
hardware. So what if most players couldn't read it. If it cost nothing
to add it, what's to be lost?
Most don't do it because it's not part of the official Red Book spec.
CD-Text requires 96 bytes of sub-channel data per sector while the
official spec is for 16 bytes of sub-channel per sector. It's a matter
of keeping the CD backward compatible for old CD players.
21 Aug
21 Aug
12:05 p.m.
On Sat, 2005-08-20 at 20:26 -0500, Reuben Martin wrote:
Interesting. I know CDs have been around a very long time (as technology
goes) but it's still amazing that the developers didn't anticipate that
basic need. Are new players being designed to read it so that someday
when all the "old" players are dead, CD publishers could start including
it? The CDDB technique, as cool as it is, sure seems like a brute force
kludge compared to just having the CD itself tell the player what it
needs to know.
Mike
Mike Jewell
One-Up Audio
On 8/20/05, Mike Jewell <mj405(a)oneupaudio.com>
wrote:
> If it is possible to put this info directly on the CD, why wouldn't
> everyone do it? In a production environment (or even onesy-twosy) is
> seems like it would be trivial once you figured it out and had the
>write hardware. So what if most players couldn't read it. If it
...right
(either way. 8^) )
cost nothing
to add it, what's to be lost?
Most don't do it because it's not part of the official Red Book spec.
CD-Text requires 96 bytes of sub-channel data per sector while the
official spec is for 16 bytes of sub-channel per sector. It's a matter
of keeping the CD backward compatible for old CD players.
9:03 p.m.
On 8/21/05, Mike Jewell <mj405(a)oneupaudio.com> wrote:
Interesting. I know CDs have been around a very long
time (as technology
goes) but it's still amazing that the developers didn't anticipate that
basic need. Are new players being designed to read it so that someday
when all the "old" players are dead, CD publishers could start including
it?
You can get CD players right now that support CD-Text, but it's a
specific feature you have to look for.
19 Aug
19 Aug
5:23 p.m.
Mike Jewell wrote:
I've been trying to understand how to get my
burned audio CDs to have
the "Artist", "Album" and "Song" titles show up in my CD
Player. If I
put a commercial CD in my drive it does, indeed, show the artist name,
album title and track names in "CD Player".
Simply ripping + burning the files works for me:
mkdir tmp
cd tmp
cdparanoia -B
...change cd here...
cdrecord -eject -dao -pad *.wav
I also suspect that the information you see in your cd player are from
freedb or cddb. I'm not sure but this lookup seems to be based on the
number + size of tracks, so if this is the same on original and copy the
information should also show up with your copy in the cd player...
--
peace, love & harmony
Atte
http://www.atte.dk
20 Aug
20 Aug
1:16 p.m.
On Fri, 2005-08-19 at 21:23 +0200, Atte André Jensen wrote:
Mike Jewell wrote:
Thanks. I've figured out (see my other post) that, as you suggest, my
player is, indeed, getting the info over the internet from some CDDB
service.
I actually was not interested in getting the CDTEXT from an existing
commercial CD onto a ripped copy but rather getting it onto CD's burned
from original material of my own or my clients.
Mike
Mike Jewell
One-Up Audio
I've been trying to understand how to get my
burned audio CDs to have
the "Artist", "Album" and "Song" titles show up in my CD
Player. If I
put a commercial CD in my drive it does, indeed, show the artist name,
album title and track names in "CD Player".
Simply ripping + burning the files works for me:
mkdir tmp
cd tmp
cdparanoia -B
...change cd here...
cdrecord -eject -dao -pad *.wav
I also suspect that the information you see in your cd player are from
freedb or cddb. I'm not sure but this lookup seems to be based on the
number + size of tracks, so if this is the same on original and copy the
information should also show up with your copy in the cd player...
3:50 p.m.
Mike Jewell wrote:
On Fri, 2005-08-19 at 21:23 +0200, Atte André Jensen
wrote:
xcdroast and just about every other cd burning GUI allows album/track
titles.
--
e. j. branagan
the MUSE § Nashville, TN
Mike Jewell wrote:
Thanks. I've figured out (see my other post) that, as you suggest, my
player is, indeed, getting the info over the internet from some CDDB
service.
I actually was not interested in getting the CDTEXT from an existing
commercial CD onto a ripped copy but rather getting it onto CD's burned
from original material of my own or my clients.
Mike
Mike Jewell
One-Up Audio
I've been trying to understand how to get my
burned audio CDs to have
the "Artist", "Album" and "Song" titles show up in my CD
Player. If I
put a commercial CD in my drive it does, indeed, show the artist name,
album title and track names in "CD Player".
Simply ripping + burning the files works for me:
mkdir tmp
cd tmp
cdparanoia -B
...change cd here...
cdrecord -eject -dao -pad *.wav
I also suspect that the information you see in your cd player are from
freedb or cddb. I'm not sure but this lookup seems to be based on the
number + size of tracks, so if this is the same on original and copy the
information should also show up with your copy in the cd player...
21 Aug
21 Aug
11:50 a.m.
On Sat, 2005-08-20 at 12:50 -0500, e. j. branagan - the MUSE wrote:
Mike Jewell wrote:
Yes, that's what I've been trying to get working. xcdroast seems happy
with it but the CDs produced don't show the info, at least in my player.
Mike
Mike Jewell
One-Up Audio
Thanks. I've figured out (see my other post)
that, as you suggest, my
player is, indeed, getting the info over the internet from some CDDB
service.
I actually was not interested in getting the CDTEXT from an existing
commercial CD onto a ripped copy but rather getting it onto CD's burned
from original material of my own or my clients.
xcdroast and just about every other cd burning GUI allows album/track
titles. 
26 Aug
26 Aug
7:26 a.m.
Mike Jewell <mj405(a)oneupaudio.com>om>:
I actually was not interested in getting the CDTEXT
from an existing
commercial CD onto a ripped copy but rather getting it onto CD's
burned from original material of my own or my clients.
Read about making a valid TOC when exporting from Ardour on
http://ardour.org/manual/export:cdtoc
You don't need Ardour to make a TOC btw. You can write one by hand and
it would read like this:
--------------------------------
CD_DA
CD_TEXT {
LANGUAGE_MAP {
0 : EN
}
LANGUAGE 0 {
TITLE "9_lieder"
}
}
TRACK AUDIO
COPY
NO PRE_EMPHASIS
CD_TEXT {
LANGUAGE 0 {
TITLE "Hausmeisterin"
}
}
FILE "/home/tina/music/9_lieder/9_lieder.wav" 00:00:00 01:41:68
START 00:01:37
TRACK AUDIO
COPY
NO PRE_EMPHASIS
CD_TEXT {
LANGUAGE 0 {
TITLE "Nicht"
}
}
FILE "/home/tina/music/9_lieder/9_lieder.wav" 01:41:68 01:42:05
START 00:05:40
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