From: Rui Capela Right, thanks, I haven't used presets very much, but will maybe set those up. Oh, great, I didn't realize you could turn off dbus. That's even better -- I found this morning that it's not enough to kill jackdbus (yes, the off list message suggested "killall -9 jackdbus"). I also have to hack ~/.config/jack/conf.xml before starting jack... which is getting to be pretty well insane, so indeed, dbus is way more trouble than it's worth for me. From: Ralf Mardorf I stand corrected, then. But, my daily-use setup is working quite well, even with pulse, so the question for me is, is it worth it to "fix" something that is "broken" only because pulse ranks somewhere between bats' intestines and dogs' do's among audio professionals? Maybe not... From: david Ditching Unity is one of the first things I did after the upgrade, not only because of the CPU-hungry compositing effects but also, I couldn't find anything. "User-friendly" my *** ;-> So now I'm running Gnome Classic (no effects). Thanks everyone! James -- James Harkins /// dewdrop world jamshark70(a)dewdrop-world.net http://www.dewdrop-world.net "Come said the Muse, Sing me a song no poet has yet chanted, Sing me the universal." -- Whitman blog: http://www.dewdrop-world.net/words audio clips: http://www.dewdrop-world.net/audio more audio: http://soundcloud.com/dewdrop_world/tracks