17 Mar
2006
17 Mar
'06
4:32 p.m.
Hello.
I'm about to switch from Debian Sid 32 bits to Gentoo 64 bits. I
have noticed ( http://packages.gentoo.org/search/?sstring=specimen ) that
Specimen isn't provided as a package in Gentoo 64 bits. So I have two
questions :
- Does the source code of Specimen compile and permits a normally
usable Specimen under a 64 Bits OS ? (and, if it's the case, does anybody
know why there's no gentoo package ? Lack of interest from any developper
or something, as quite any other audio apps seems to be avalaible under
gentoo ?).
- If I setup a 32 bits chroot under Gentoo 64 bits as it's
documented here :
( http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/amd64/howtos/index.xml?part=1&chap=2
), will Specimen be usable just as a normal jackd-enabled software, with
jackd running in the 64 bits environment ? More generally, when
encountering an audio software which cannot run in 64 bits, how does it
work with 64 bits jackd ?
Thanks in advance for any enlightenment :).
Cheers,
Y.
17 Mar
17 Mar
4:47 p.m.
On Fri Mar 17, 2006 at 09:31:52PM +0100, Yves Potin wrote:
Hello.
I'm about to switch from Debian Sid 32 bits to Gentoo 64 bits. I
have noticed ( http://packages.gentoo.org/search/?sstring=specimen ) that
Specimen isn't provided as a package in Gentoo 64 bits. So I have two
questions :
- Does the source code of Specimen compile and permits a normally
usable Specimen under a 64 Bits OS ? (and, if it's the case, does anybody
know why there's no gentoo package ? Lack of interest from any developper
or something, as quite any other audio apps seems to be avalaible under
gentoo ?).
grep KEYW `equery which specimen`
KEYWORDS="-amd64 ~ppc sparc x86"
since its not just lacking amd64 entirely (this only seems to happen for obscure ruby
packages), and has a specifically negative amd64, this means its broken. a quick run to
http://bugs.gentoo.org, and search for specimen, reveals some updated ebuild for 0.5.1,
and a comment: #-amd64: 0.4.5: int/pointer casting.
if you want to try installing it anyways, nano `equery which specimen` and change the
-amd64 to amd64, emerge --digest specimen, and if it works, make a comment on the bug
report that its fixed on amd64 (you proably want to grab the 0.5.1 ebuild before doing
this)
- If I setup a 32 bits chroot under Gentoo 64
bits as it's
documented here :
( http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/amd64/howtos/index.xml?part=1&chap=2
), will Specimen be usable just as a normal jackd-enabled software, with
jackd running in the 64 bits environment ? More generally, when
encountering an audio software which cannot run in 64 bits, how does it
work with 64 bits jackd ?
64bit jackd can not talk to 32bit apps, afaik. you could run a 32bit jackd, and link with
the other via UDP. or try the ALSA-lib plug:jack, or try using it in 64bit mode and figure
out if theres any bugs ( SClang and PD would both require significant rewriting to work on
64bit mode due to their "VM"-y nature that expects ints to be the same size as
pointers, but most everything else works fine )
Thanks in advance for any enlightenment :).
Cheers,
Y.
6:51 p.m.
On 3/17/06, cdr <ix(a)replic.net> wrote:
On Fri Mar 17, 2006 at 09:31:52PM +0100, Yves Potin
wrote:
Or possibly run Specimen in a 32-bit chroot. I have a complete
chroot'ed environment on my Gentoo 64-bit machine so that I can run
all the win32codec and Flash stuff necessary to exist on the web these
days. Much, much, much web content doesn't work with Linux 64-bit
machines but works great in the 32-bit chroot.
NOTE: This is not trivially easy to deal with all the time, but it
does work when you need it to. I am also working to make my machine
dual boot, 64-bit and 32-bite, so that I can evaulate different
VMWare/Parallel's type solutions.
Cheers,
Mark
Hello.
I'm about to switch from Debian Sid 32 bits to Gentoo 64 bits. I
have noticed ( http://packages.gentoo.org/search/?sstring=specimen ) that
Specimen isn't provided as a package in Gentoo 64 bits. So I have two
questions :
- Does the source code of Specimen compile and permits a normally
usable Specimen under a 64 Bits OS ? (and, if it's the case, does anybody
know why there's no gentoo package ? Lack of interest from any developper
or something, as quite any other audio apps seems to be avalaible under
gentoo ?).
grep KEYW `equery which specimen`
KEYWORDS="-amd64 ~ppc sparc x86"
since its not just lacking amd64 entirely (this only seems to happen for obscure ruby
packages), and has a specifically negative amd64, this means its broken. a quick run to
http://bugs.gentoo.org, and search for specimen, reveals some updated ebuild for 0.5.1,
and a comment: #-amd64: 0.4.5: int/pointer casting.
if you want to try installing it anyways, nano `equery which specimen` and change the
-amd64 to amd64, emerge --digest specimen, and if it works, make a comment on the bug
report that its fixed on amd64 (you proably want to grab the 0.5.1 ebuild before doing
this)
- If I setup a 32 bits chroot under
Gentoo 64 bits as it's
documented here :
( http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/amd64/howtos/index.xml?part=1&chap=2
), will Specimen be usable just as a normal jackd-enabled software, with
jackd running in the 64 bits environment ? More generally, when
encountering an audio software which cannot run in 64 bits, how does it
work with 64 bits jackd ?
64bit jackd can not talk to 32bit apps, afaik. you could run a 32bit jackd, and link with
the other via UDP. or try the ALSA-lib plug:jack, or try using it in 64bit mode and figure
out if theres any bugs ( SClang and PD would both require significant rewriting to work on
64bit mode due to their "VM"-y nature that expects ints to be the same size as
pointers, but most everything else works fine )
Thanks in advance for any enlightenment
:).
Cheers,
Y.
7:03 p.m.
Or possibly run Specimen in a 32-bit chroot. I have a
complete
chroot'ed environment on my Gentoo 64-bit machine so that I can run
all the win32codec and Flash stuff necessary to exist on the web these
days. Much, much, much web content doesn't work with Linux 64-bit
machines but works great in the 32-bit chroot.
you can get all web content with just a multilib glibc. emerge nspluginwrapper
netscape-flash mplayer-bin mplayerplug-in
mplayer is just an X window that gets overlaid into the browser, so you can symlink your
32bit mplayer to /usr/bin/mplayer and it will work fine in a 64bit browser.
nspluginwrapper similarly does some kind of IPC pass-thru to a 32bit plugin.. personally
i'd prefer the 'broken green puzzle piece' for flash but firefox is so bloated
and slow that i have to run (32bit) opera where flash just works..
7:27 p.m.
On 3/17/06, cdr <ix(a)replic.net> wrote:
Interesting. This hasn't been the case for me at all. I'd be
interested in possibly trying it out but I don't find the
nspluginwrapper. Also I need a Java solution that works correctly at
one specific site. So far the blackdown ones don't. The sun-jre-bin
does but only emerges in the 32-bit environment again. mplayer-bin or
mplayer?
lightning ~ # emerge -pv nspluginwrapper netscape-flash mplayer-bin
mplayerplug-in
These are the packages that I would merge, in order:
Calculating dependencies
emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy "nspluginwrapper".
lightning ~ # eix nsplugin
* kde-base/nsplugins
Available versions: 3.4.1 ~3.4.2 3.4.3 ~3.5.0 ~3.5.1
Installed: none
Homepage: http://www.kde.org/
Description: Netscape plugins support for konqueror
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Or possibly
run Specimen in a 32-bit chroot. I have a complete
chroot'ed environment on my Gentoo 64-bit machine so that I can run
all the win32codec and Flash stuff necessary to exist on the web these
days. Much, much, much web content doesn't work with Linux 64-bit
machines but works great in the 32-bit chroot.
you can get all web content with just a multilib glibc. emerge nspluginwrapper
netscape-flash mplayer-bin mplayerplug-in
mplayer is just an X window that gets overlaid into the browser, so you can symlink your
32bit mplayer to /usr/bin/mplayer and it will work fine in a 64bit browser.
nspluginwrapper similarly does some kind of IPC pass-thru to a 32bit plugin.. personally
i'd prefer the 'broken green puzzle piece' for flash but firefox is so bloated
and slow that i have to run (32bit) opera where flash just works..
Yeah. I'm using Firefox but having more trouble with it crashing lately....
- Mark
18 Mar
18 Mar
3:54 a.m.
interested in possibly trying it out but I don't
find the
nspluginwrapper.
http://www.gibix.net/dokuwiki/en:projects:nspluginwrapper
one specific site. So far the blackdown ones
don't. The sun-jre-bin
does but only emerges in the 32-bit environment again.
most -bin packages are 32bit (not sure about ghc-bin). sun-jdk is a 64bit 1.5^H^H5.0 VM
although it cant hurt to keep the chroot for compiling purposes, easier than hacking -m32
into makefiles everywhere..
18 Mar
18 Mar
1:43 p.m.
Le 17 Mar à 14:51, Mark Knecht ecrivait:
Or possibly run Specimen in a 32-bit chroot. I have a
complete
chroot'ed environment on my Gentoo 64-bit machine so that I can run
all the win32codec and Flash stuff necessary to exist on the web these
days. Much, much, much web content doesn't work with Linux 64-bit
machines but works great in the 32-bit chroot.
Thank you very much for the advices. As I see there are plenty of
things that doesn't run easily, or doesn't run at all, and as I want to
use all available audio apps without spending days hacking my system, I
think I will install a 32 Bits gentoo.
Cheers,
Y.
8:34 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Specimen and 64 bits software
On 3/19/06, Yves Potin <yves_p(a)nnx.com> wrote:
Le 17 Mar à 14:51, Mark Knecht ecrivait:
Everything i run seems to run fine with a 64 bit system
Loki
Or possibly run Specimen in a 32-bit chroot. I
have a complete
chroot'ed environment on my Gentoo 64-bit machine so that I can run
all the win32codec and Flash stuff necessary to exist on the web these
days. Much, much, much web content doesn't work with Linux 64-bit
machines but works great in the 32-bit chroot.
Thank you very much for the advices. As I see there are plenty of
things that doesn't run easily, or doesn't run at all, and as I want to
use all available audio apps without spending days hacking my system, I
think I will install a 32 Bits gentoo.
Cheers,
Y.
8:35 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Specimen and 64 bits software
On 3/19/06, Loki Davison <loki.davison(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 3/19/06, Yves Potin <yves_p(a)nnx.com> wrote:
It does seem like more arse though, i'd probably go 32 bit, RT seems
difficult to get to work.
Le 17 Mar à 14:51, Mark Knecht ecrivait:
Everything i run seems to run fine with a 64 bit system
Loki
Or possibly run Specimen in a 32-bit chroot. I
have a complete
chroot'ed environment on my Gentoo 64-bit machine so that I can run
all the win32codec and Flash stuff necessary to exist on the web these
days. Much, much, much web content doesn't work with Linux 64-bit
machines but works great in the 32-bit chroot.
Thank you very much for the advices. As I see there are plenty of
things that doesn't run easily, or doesn't run at all, and as I want to
use all available audio apps without spending days hacking my system, I
think I will install a 32 Bits gentoo.
Cheers,
Y. 
20 Mar
20 Mar
11:52 a.m.
Yves Potin wrote:
Le 17 Mar à 14:51, Mark Knecht ecrivait:
I have an athlon64 at my disposal. I will see what I can do about 64 bit
wrt specimen. Probably won't happen until after LAC2006, though.
-Eric Rz.
Or possibly run Specimen in a 32-bit chroot. I
have a complete
chroot'ed environment on my Gentoo 64-bit machine so that I can run
all the win32codec and Flash stuff necessary to exist on the web these
days. Much, much, much web content doesn't work with Linux 64-bit
machines but works great in the 32-bit chroot.
Thank you very much for the
advices. As I see there are plenty of
things that doesn't run easily, or doesn't run at all, and as I want to
use all available audio apps without spending days hacking my system, I
think I will install a 32 Bits gentoo.
Cheers,
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