24 May
2015
24 May
'15
11:04 a.m.
Hi,
I'm in the process of upgrading my computer HW, but still want to use
my old trusted M-Audio delta 1010 cards. Two times, I have had to buy a
motherboard with old PCI ports, or that is what I have believed for some
years. Today I found this on the 'Net:
http://www.startech.com/Cards-Adapters/Slot-Extension/PCI-Express-to-PCI-Ad…
..and will probably find more if I dig further. After overlooking this
kind of solutions for years, and also seeing this topic coming up at
this list for years, I feel a little stupid. :-)
I know that many of you still have PCI1 state of the art cards of
different kinds and I hope that this solution will work for yo if you
consider to upgrade your computer HW.
Jostein
24 May
24 May
3:27 p.m.
I bought one of these Startech adaptors several months ago so I could
keep using my delta 44 card and it works very well. The only issue I was
that I had to trim the corner off the sound card in order to fit it and
the adaptor into my rather compact PC case.
~G.
3:37 p.m.
On Sun, 24 May 2015, Garry Ogle wrote:
I bought one of these Startech adaptors several months
ago so I could keep
using my delta 44 card and it works very well. The only issue I was that I
had to trim the corner off the sound card in order to fit it and the adaptor
into my rather compact PC case.
Good to know. The D44 would not need holes drilled as it has no s/pdif, my
D66 does. How did you mount the D44? what orientation is your MB?
(horizontal or veritcal) It sounds like you may have been able to use the
case to hold the card in. Any idea how it affects the air flow?
--
Len Ovens
www.ovenwerks.net
4:01 p.m.
hi, Len. my MB is vertically mounted in the case. I cable-tied the delta
card and adaptor together, and as you guessed, the case more-or-less
supports the outer edge of the card. The adaptor came with a support
bracket which I also used, though on its own it would be a little droopy
for the width.
I used the lowest available slot, but in any case there would be no
obstruction to general airflow.
~G.
3:28 p.m.
On Sun, 24 May 2015, Jostein Chr. Andersen wrote:
I'm in the process of upgrading my computer HW,
but still want to use my old
trusted M-Audio delta 1010 cards. Two times, I have had to buy a motherboard
with old PCI ports, or that is what I have believed for some years. Today I
found this on the 'Net:
http://www.startech.com/Cards-Adapters/Slot-Extension/PCI-Express-to-PCI-Ad…
I have one sitting here that I have not used. I do want to try it out (on
a sound card I don't care about) but have not got to it. I would have to
do some metalwork to get it to fit, but that is ok, I have lots of old pc
case parts laying around. However, I found it not that hard to find new
motherboards with up to 3 PCI slots. (mine also has 4 PCIe slots) I have
read reports of these adapters damaging the card it is hosting.
..and will probably find more if I dig further. After
overlooking this kind
of solutions for years, and also seeing this topic coming up at this list for
years, I feel a little stupid. :-)
It is not foolproof, native PCI slots are worth looking for. Mounting
solutions have to be found as the little PCIe slot is not up to the weight
of a sound card in a tower case. Holes have to be made for s/pdif (I do
use mine).
In looking for HW, I first chose my cpu. (i5 with 4 cores and no
hyperthreads) Then I looked at the whole line of mother boards that
supported the cpu socket. While there were lots of MB with 1 or two PCI
slots, I looked for maximum and got three because I wanted to avoid
whichever slot uses irq 16 and I have two audio cards. I looked for
something that still has ps2 kb/mouse ports because I have USB audio I try
out sometimes and the mouse can cause trouble (I think there are ways
around this though and I might not be so picky next time). I also wanted
at least two monitor outputs, but this is easy as many MB have three at
least. Monitors are cheap ($90 at walmart) and double monitors for audio
just seems the way to go. I would add, lots of USB ports, but all the MB
have more than I need.
The one adaptor I did have to buy was a PATA card for my old HD and DVD
burner. (the older HD just seem to keep on going, the newer ones have
failed more often on me)
I have only 8GRAM and still never use the swap. I don't ever put the
computer in sleep mode anyway, so I could probably run swapless. But will
probably keep some around so long as I have rotary drives. SSD is the next
thing for me I think. I would like to jump my RAM up to 32G and use part
of it as compressed swap.
--
Len Ovens
www.ovenwerks.net
9:30 p.m.
On 24 May 2015 at 6:28, Len Ovens <len(a)ovenwerks.net> wrote:
In looking for HW, I first chose my cpu. (i5 with 4
cores and no
hyperthreads) Then I looked at the whole line of mother boards that
supported the cpu socket. While there were lots of MB with 1 or two PCI
slots, I looked for maximum and got three because I wanted to avoid
whichever slot uses irq 16 and I have two audio cards. I looked for
something that still has ps2 kb/mouse ports because I have USB audio I try
out sometimes and the mouse can cause trouble (I think there are ways
around this though and I might not be so picky next time). I also wanted
at least two monitor outputs, but this is easy as many MB have three at
least. Monitors are cheap ($90 at walmart) and double monitors for audio
just seems the way to go. I would add, lots of USB ports, but all the MB
have more than I need.
Did you buy one of those motherboards to which you refer? If so,
what make/model and how well is it working?
Thanks Len...
--
Kevin
11 p.m.
On Sun, 24 May 2015, Kevin Cosgrove wrote:
On 24 May 2015 at 6:28, Len Ovens
<len(a)ovenwerks.net> wrote:
ASUS Z87-K
CPU i5-4570
- there are some i5 that are only 2 cores with hyperthreading...
basically they seem to me to be an i3 with i5 printed on them. It is not
enough to just get an i5.
I can run my delta66 in Jack at 16/2 with no xruns provided cron is turned
off... no software updates. I don't know how much (sw) I can run like
that, but I use that setup for guitar through effects (guitarix) and back
out. For Ardour I use 64/2 but have not pushed it to see what I can get
away with (tracks/effects/synths). I use UbuntuStudio with the Low Latency
kernel. (14.04 LTS right now, but I keep the SW I use a lot up to date)
I use external monitoring anyway (first of the Mackie cr1604) so recording
latency is not too important.
--
Len Ovens
www.ovenwerks.net
In looking for HW, I first chose my cpu. (i5 with
4 cores and no
hyperthreads) Then I looked at the whole line of mother boards that
supported the cpu socket. While there were lots of MB with 1 or two PCI
slots, I looked for maximum and got three because I wanted to avoid
whichever slot uses irq 16 and I have two audio cards. I looked for
something that still has ps2 kb/mouse ports because I have USB audio I try
out sometimes and the mouse can cause trouble (I think there are ways
around this though and I might not be so picky next time). I also wanted
at least two monitor outputs, but this is easy as many MB have three at
least. Monitors are cheap ($90 at walmart) and double monitors for audio
just seems the way to go. I would add, lots of USB ports, but all the MB
have more than I need.
Did you buy one of those motherboards to which you refer? If so,
what make/model and how well is it working? 
25 May
25 May
6:52 p.m.
Am Sonntag, den 24.05.2015, 11:04 +0200 schrieb Jostein Chr. Andersen:
I'm in the process of upgrading my computer HW,
but still want to use
my old trusted M-Audio delta 1010 cards. Two times, I have had to buy a
motherboard with old PCI ports, or that is what I have believed for some
years. Today I found this on the 'Net:
http://www.startech.com/Cards-Adapters/Slot-Extension/PCI-Express-to-PCI-Ad…
Don't know. Routing PCI (Classic) over PCIe: Is this a good idea when
realtime matters? I have a Supermicro Mainboard with two Intel Xeon CPUs
and there are some xruns from time to time I can't explain. The PCI-Slot
is also routed over PCIe...
I have to test them, first, before recommending but I'm about to switch
to AMD, because they still deliver PCI-classic-support without any
workarounds on the latest CPU-generation.
Search for MoBos with A88- and A78-chipsets f.e.!
Unfortunately, latest Opterons doesn't support PCI-classic AFAIK.
Greets!
Mitsch
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