7 Dec
2009
7 Dec
'09
1:29 p.m.
This is probably something that should be on the Ardour list, but I'm
not subscribed there, and I seldom enough have questions about Ardour to
subscribe...
What's the most logical (and safest) way to take a section out of a
whole timeline, across all tracks, and move it somewhere else?
Probably describing this in computer terms would be too unwieldly for
such a simple idea -- basically I want the equivalent of a tape splice.
If it's necessary to individually move all the affected regions on all
the affected tracks, I can, but I wondered if there's some simpler way.
Also, I noticed some documentation saying the splice feature was unsafe.
(I'm using Ardour 2.7.1.)
I'm working on one of those songs where all the ideas came together, but
in the wrong order. I've got a section about three-fourths of the way
into it that really should have been the beginning...
--
+ Brent A. Busby + "We've all heard that a million monkeys
+ UNIX Systems Admin + banging on a million typewriters will
+ University of Chicago + eventually reproduce the entire works of
+ Physical Sciences Div. + Shakespeare. Now, thanks to the Internet,
+ James Franck Institute + we know this is not true." -Robert Wilensky
7 Dec
7 Dec
2:33 p.m.
On 12/08/2009 04:29 AM, Brent Busby wrote:
This is probably something that should be on the
Ardour list, but I'm
not subscribed there, and I seldom enough have questions about Ardour to
subscribe...
What's the most logical (and safest) way to take a section out of a
whole timeline, across all tracks, and move it somewhere else?
Probably describing this in computer terms would be too unwieldly for
such a simple idea -- basically I want the equivalent of a tape splice.
If it's necessary to individually move all the affected regions on all
the affected tracks, I can, but I wondered if there's some simpler way.
Also, I noticed some documentation saying the splice feature was unsafe.
(I'm using Ardour 2.7.1.)
I'm working on one of those songs where all the ideas came together, but
in the wrong order. I've got a section about three-fourths of the way
into it that really should have been the beginning...
Can you select the regions, duplicate/copy, drag to the new start
point, then cut the old parts out of the mix and readjust the following
material to the new start point? I think this will work across multiple
tracks.
Patrick Shirkey
Boost Hardware Ltd
4:52 p.m.
Patrick Shirkey wrote:
On 12/08/2009 04:29 AM, Brent Busby wrote:
Hi, that should work indeed. I've done it by moving playhead to the
starting point of the to-be-moved section of the song, hitting Ctrl+A,
then hitting S (make sure that Edit point is set as Playhead), then
doing the same for end point, then selecting all those to-be-moved
regions (Ctrl pressed while selecting) and dragging them all at once to
a better place...
If things get screwed, Ctrl+Z is the reverse gear.
Tapani
This is probably something that should be on the
Ardour list, but I'm
not subscribed there, and I seldom enough have questions about Ardour to
subscribe...
What's the most logical (and safest) way to take a section out of a
whole timeline, across all tracks, and move it somewhere else?
Probably describing this in computer terms would be too unwieldly for
such a simple idea -- basically I want the equivalent of a tape splice.
If it's necessary to individually move all the affected regions on all
the affected tracks, I can, but I wondered if there's some simpler way.
Also, I noticed some documentation saying the splice feature was unsafe.
(I'm using Ardour 2.7.1.)
I'm working on one of those songs where all the ideas came together, but
in the wrong order. I've got a section about three-fourths of the way
into it that really should have been the beginning...
Can you select the regions, duplicate/copy, drag to the new start
point, then cut the old parts out of the mix and readjust the following
material to the new start point? I think this will work across multiple
tracks.
5:55 p.m.
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Sounds pretty complicated to me. Why not:
Zoom to whole project.
Select all regions
left-click hold them and drag them to the right
select all regions that should be moved to the start
left-click hold them and drag them to the left
repeat until all pieces are in place...
I did this some 10-12 times, it is perfectly safe. You need to make
sure, that you really select everything so unhide hidden tracks that
hold any regions before. The only problem is, that you loose automations
for these are bound to the time-line and not to a region....
Patrick Shirkey wrote:
> On 12/08/2009 04:29 AM, Brent Busby wrote:
Can you select
the regions, duplicate/copy, drag to the new start
point, then cut the old parts out of the mix and readjust the following
material to the new start point? I think this will work across multiple
tracks.
Hi, that should work indeed. I've done it by moving playhead to the
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10:34 p.m.
On Mon, Dec 07, 2009 at 10:55:24PM +0100, Hartmut Noack wrote:
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Tapani Sysimets? schrieb:
Sounds pretty complicated to me. Why not:
Zoom to whole project.
Select all regions
left-click hold them and drag them to the right
select all regions that should be moved to the start
left-click hold them and drag them to the left
repeat until all pieces are in place...
I did this some 10-12 times, it is perfectly safe. You need to make
sure, that you really select everything so unhide hidden tracks that
hold any regions before. The only problem is, that you loose automations
for these are bound to the time-line and not to a region....
If you're just trying to cut a project in two:
1) Put a marker in for your chop point, save, and close the project.
2) "cp -a" the original project directory to a new directory.
3) Open the new directory, and delete everything on one side of the marker. Just select
it, and delete, easy. Save. Close the project.
4) In the old project, delete everything on the other side of the marker. Save.
You now have two projects, one of which is "up to such-and-such point", and the
other is "after such-and-such point".
-ken
Patrick Shirkey wrote:
> On 12/08/2009 04:29 AM, Brent Busby wrote:
Can you
select the regions, duplicate/copy, drag to the new start
point, then cut the old parts out of the mix and readjust the following
material to the new start point? I think this will work across multiple
tracks.
Hi, that should work indeed. I've done it by moving playhead to the
starting point of the to-be-moved section of the song, hitting Ctrl+A,
then hitting S ....
8 Dec
8 Dec
8:39 a.m.
Ken Restivo wrote:
On Mon, Dec 07, 2009 at 10:55:24PM +0100, Hartmut
Noack wrote:
Well, if I got it right, Brent wants to modify the structure of the
entire song, like e.g. moving the chorus section that now comes after
3rd verse to become after 1st verse already. This section may or may not
include independent regions.
Brent: "[..] take a section out of a whole timeline, across all tracks,
and move it somewhere else [...] I'm working on one of those songs where
all the ideas came together, but
in the wrong order. I've got a section about three-fourths of the way
into it that really should have been the beginning..."
In this case, I really think that selecting all regions, splitting them
(hit S) at start and end points of the to-be-moved section and dragging
these splitted regions all at once to desired location is what has to be
done. Of course, before this, an empty space of similar length has to be
created in the desired location in a similar manner. After moving the
regions to the desired place, the "tail" of the song has to be also
selected and dragged back to correct location. Easy?! :)
Tapani
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Tapani Sysimets? schrieb:
If you're just trying to cut a project in two:
1) Put a marker in for your chop point, save, and close the project.
2) "cp -a" the original project directory to a new directory.
3) Open the new directory, and delete everything on one side of the marker. Just select
it, and delete, easy. Save. Close the project.
4) In the old project, delete everything on the other side of the marker. Save.
You now have two projects, one of which is "up to such-and-such point", and the
other is "after such-and-such point".
-ken
Patrick Shirkey wrote:
Sounds pretty complicated to me. Why not:
Zoom to whole project.
Select all regions
left-click hold them and drag them to the right
select all regions that should be moved to the start
left-click hold them and drag them to the left
repeat until all pieces are in place...
I did this some 10-12 times, it is perfectly safe. You need to make
sure, that you really select everything so unhide hidden tracks that
hold any regions before. The only problem is, that you loose automations
for these are bound to the time-line and not to a region....
On 12/08/2009 04:29 AM, Brent Busby wrote:
Can you select the regions, duplicate/copy, drag to the new start
point, then cut the old parts out of the mix and readjust the following
material to the new start point? I think this will work across multiple
tracks.
Hi, that should work indeed. I've done it by moving playhead to the
starting point of the to-be-moved section of the song, hitting Ctrl+A,
then hitting S ....
1:15 p.m.
On Tue, 8 Dec 2009, Tapani Sysimetsä wrote:
Ken Restivo wrote:
> If you're just trying to cut a project in two:
>
> 1) Put a marker in for your chop point, save, and close the project.
> 2) "cp -a" the original project directory to a new directory.
> 3) Open the new directory, and delete everything on one side of the marker. Just
select it, and delete, easy. Save. Close the project.
> 4) In the old project, delete everything on the other side of the marker. Save.
>
> You now have two projects, one of which is "up to such-and-such point", and
the other is "after such-and-such point".
Well, if I got it right, Brent wants to modify the
structure of the
entire song, like e.g. moving the chorus section that now comes after
3rd verse to become after 1st verse already. This section may or may
not include independent regions.
Yes, that's true. Basically, I've got a part in the middle that I
wanted to make into the new "beginning." Actually, I think I've found a
way to save it just the way it is without doing that though, which would
be good, because it flows better left the way I played it.
The only reason I didn't say anything though is because I was enjoying
all this good technical information about project editing. :)
--
+ Brent A. Busby + "We've all heard that a million monkeys
+ UNIX Systems Admin + banging on a million typewriters will
+ University of Chicago + eventually reproduce the entire works of
+ Physical Sciences Div. + Shakespeare. Now, thanks to the Internet,
+ James Franck Institute + we know this is not true." -Robert Wilensky
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