7 Aug
2009
7 Aug
'09
12:20 p.m.
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 3:19 PM, rosea grammostola <
rosea.grammostola(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Danni Coy <danni.coy(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Danni, I think you better do 'reply to all'...
Such a midi controller, can I also use it when using my electric guitar? It
just makes fweeling start and stop right?
what is the difference between fweelin and sooperlooper?
\r
well Freewheeling can be configured to work with
any joystick or midi
input device.. There are commercially avaible midi foot controllers, There
is a preset already for using a Dance Dance Revolution style dance mat (i
have one of those)... or you can do what I did and convert a cheap usb
joypad...
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 9:02 PM, rosea grammostola <
rosea.grammostola(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Danni Coy <danni.coy(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I'm wondering if a cycle is a good display for such a thing... Maybe a
>> vertical line would be more easy, with some mark/ timing tools or something.
>> Or be able to set loop ranges in realtime...
>>
>
The Author designed it as a tool for creating non-linear music. It is
usually used in a live context where the person using it is a musician of
some kind. Like a musical instrument it does take some skill to master. The
great thing about it is that the computer interaction is so straight forward
that you can sing or perform with an instrument and use freewheeling and not
have the two interfere with each other. ( a foot controller is a must for
two handed instruments)
Stick with it - It takes a bit of practice. But gets fun very quickly. I
generally use Freewheeling for sketching out an idea then I import the loops
into Ardour and do polishing there.
Thanks for the enthusiatic responses.
What is a foot controller and what can you do with it (with fweelin and
other apps)? I'm a total noob on such things.
\r
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8 Aug
8 Aug
6:56 a.m.
New subject: Freewheeling, keyboard
Freewheeling can be configured to work with any joystick or midi input
device.. There are commercially avaible midi foot controllers, There is a
preset already for using a Dance Dance Revolution style dance mat (i have
one of those)... or you can do what I did and convert a cheap usb joypad...
7:03 a.m.
New subject: Freewheeling, keyboard
Danni, I think you better do 'reply to all'...
Such a midi controller, can I also use it when using my electric guitar? It
just makes fweeling start and stop right?
what is the difference between fweelin and sooperlooper?
Yeah just a set of buttons you can use to record start and stop with your
feet really. (well to be honest I haven't used a commercial one so I don't
really know how they work. The dancemat is the probably the cheapest out of
the box solution and doesn't require any extra setup. (You can source the
bits you need from playasia.com)
As for sooperlooper I really havent played with it a great deal. But it
seemed to be more mouse driven.
1:01 p.m.
New subject: Freewheeling, keyboard
On Fri, 7 Aug 2009, rosea grammostola wrote:
what is the difference between fweelin and
sooperlooper?
Freewheeling sports a really nice UI that is really nice while doing a
live looping performance. Adding and triggering loops is pretty simple
and makes it easy to do improvisation and whatnot. I really like
freewheeling, but it's always been pretty unstable every time I've tried
it.
sooperlooper is a server (like jackd) that is designed for remote control.
You can control it via OSC and MIDI. You have to set up your MIDI
triggers, though (no predefined set). It supports some pretty
sophisticated features on each loop (different sync options, triggering
options, overdubbing, etc.). There is a GUI (slgui) that you can use to
control it... but that is optional. The original idea of the sooperlooper
is to mimic the Echoplex... and slgui bears all the ups and downs of a
hardware-type interface. Because of the client/server design, many users
use it on a 'headless' system for performances.
<thinking_out_loud>
Hmmmmm.... what if the fwheeling GUI were used to control sooperlooper....
</thinking_out_loud>
Peace,
Gabriel
18 Aug
18 Aug
5:59 p.m.
New subject: Freewheeling, keyboard
how accurate is such a dance pad? As accurate as a footswitch is?
\r
On 8/8/09, Gabriel M. Beddingfield <gabriel(a)teuton.org> wrote:
On Fri, 7 Aug 2009, rosea grammostola wrote:
what is the difference between fweelin and
sooperlooper?
Freewheeling sports a really nice UI that is really nice while doing a
live looping performance. Adding and triggering loops is pretty simple
and makes it easy to do improvisation and whatnot. I really like
freewheeling, but it's always been pretty unstable every time I've tried
it.
sooperlooper is a server (like jackd) that is designed for remote control.
You can control it via OSC and MIDI. You have to set up your MIDI
triggers, though (no predefined set). It supports some pretty
sophisticated features on each loop (different sync options, triggering
options, overdubbing, etc.). There is a GUI (slgui) that you can use to
control it... but that is optional. The original idea of the sooperlooper
is to mimic the Echoplex... and slgui bears all the ups and downs of a
hardware-type interface. Because of the client/server design, many users
use it on a 'headless' system for performances.
<thinking_out_loud>
Hmmmmm.... what if the fwheeling GUI were used to control sooperlooper....
</thinking_out_loud>
Peace,
Gabriel
23 Aug
23 Aug
4:08 p.m.
New subject: Freewheeling, keyboard
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Gabriel M.
Beddingfield<gabriel(a)teuton.org> wrote:
<thinking_out_loud>
Hmmmmm.... what if the fwheeling GUI were used to control sooperlooper....
</thinking_out_loud>
I'm not sure this makes much sense. What aspects of freewheeling's
GUI do you think would help the sooperlooper experience? FW's gui is
very much tied to that app, regarding the waveform updating, etc.
Ideally SL would have a more performance oriented GUI out of the box
where space isn't wasted by all the buttons and controls you probably
have midi controllers for, and it just shows the important things you
want to see, sized bigger. One day, perhaps....
jlc
5:06 p.m.
New subject: Freewheeling, keyboard
Hi Jesse,
On Sun, 23 Aug 2009, Jesse Chappell wrote:
Thus the "thinking out loud." As if to say, "would would a PHB
think?"
Let me first say that you have done an awesome job with sooperlooper. It
is a first class app, and I love using it. The only downer (for me) is
that when I first started looping, I could understand most of FW's gui
inteitively... whereas sooperlooper required me to RTFM.
<thinking_out_loud>
Hmmmmm.... what if the fwheeling GUI were used to control sooperlooper....
</thinking_out_loud>
I'm not sure this makes much sense. What aspects of freewheeling's GUI do you think would help the sooperlooper
experience? FW's gui is
very much tied to that app, regarding the waveform updating, etc.
What's nice is that, out of the box, there's about 16 loops that I can
have laid out in front of me, visually, to trigger or record or whatever.
For someone just in to looping... FW gives a nice and fairly intuitive
GUI. No sync options, a MIDI implementation out of the box, etc.
The trouble is, for me, it's the DIY GUI that's always crashing. :-/
I finally have my rig to the point where I can do looping these days...
and because of sooperlooper's stability I've been using that (and getting
used to it). It's very nice, and has lots of features and options that
(once you get going) makes it much more powerful.
Ideally SL would have a more performance oriented GUI
out of the box
where space isn't wasted by all the buttons and controls you probably
have midi controllers for, and it just shows the important things you
want to see, sized bigger. One day, perhaps....
I dunno... I was more thing a newbie-oriented GUI.
Also, there's a lot of overhead in adding a new loop with slgui. Each new
loop takes up a lot of screen space... and takes extra planning and
abstract thought to set it up with a midi controller of some sort.
Anyway... I'm sure this all stuff you already know (or have heard)... so
I'll shut up now. :-)
Peace,
Gabriel
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