On Wed, 2004-12-15 at 11:39, tim hall wrote: i can relate to that ... so is good enough for me ;) i, too, apologise for not being able to contain my anarcho-socialist-syndacalist-revolutionary sympathies ... but sometimes the sheer repression of it all makes me blabber uncontrollably given the slightest provocation ... however, i don't think political issues - in certain contexts - are out of place here ... as i said here or on the ccrma list, the open source model - from cvs to lists like these - will prove, i think, to be the most important social and civil innovation since Year Zero (well, not *that* Year Zero - a rhetorical one ... ). it's important that the model learn to deal with issues such as spiralling flame-wars without resort to panic, retaliation, denial etc ... because, as i see it, we're laying the groundwork here (in the open-source community) for the structure of a future society ... ... we've got to show it can be effective and intelligent when responding to what are, essentially, trivial everyday issues suffered a lot more abundantly in almost all other areas of society. opting-out, as always, is tantamount to giving up ... let's not do that. shayne