23 Mar
2009
23 Mar
'09
3 p.m.
Hi,
My dads want to records some old gramophone records. How can he do it?
Ardour/ Audacity?
\r
4:04 p.m.
ben wrote:
Grammostola Rosea a écrit :
ok, thanks. Do you use alsa or jack?
Hi,
My dads want to records some old gramophone records. How can he do it?
Ardour/ Audacity?
\r
IMHO, i recommend "mhwaveedit" (a gtk+ app, smaller than audacity),
i
always use it for 2-traks record. The integrated VU-meter is useful.
4:17 p.m.
Grammostola Rosea a écrit :
ben wrote:
I use OSS since ALSA have a lot of
xruns on my small computer.
Jack is useless to me in that purpose since i do not have to connect any
auxiliary insert or effect.
the backend choice in mhwaveedit must be defined in the preferences.
-
Grammostola Rosea a écrit :
ok, thanks. Do you use alsa or jack? Hi,
My dads want to records some old gramophone records. How can he do it?
Ardour/ Audacity?
\r
IMHO, i recommend "mhwaveedit" (a gtk+ app, smaller than audacity),
i
always use it for 2-traks record. The integrated VU-meter is useful.
4:39 p.m.
Grammostola Rosea wrote:
ben wrote:
Neither MHWaveEdit nor Audacity require jack. You're doing a simple
single stereo track recording directly to a file. I'd also look into
Gramofile:
http://www.opensourcepartners.nl/~costar/gramofile/
for pop/click filtering and automatic breaking of a continuous recording
into "tracks" or songs. It can be used for post-processing the
recordings you make.
Frank
Grammostola Rosea a écrit :
ok, thanks. Do you use alsa or jack?
Hi,
My dads want to records some old gramophone records. How can he do it?
Ardour/ Audacity?
\r
IMHO, i recommend "mhwaveedit" (a gtk+ app, smaller than
audacity), i
always use it for 2-traks record. The integrated VU-meter is useful.
6:01 p.m.
frank pirrone wrote:
I'd also look into
Gramofile:
for pop/click filtering and automatic breaking of a continuous recording
into "tracks" or songs. It can be used for post-processing the
recordings you make.
I'd also look into
Gramofile:
I'd recommend gnome-wave-cleaner for post-processing:
http://gwc.sourceforge.net/
regards, gaz.
7:10 p.m.
garry.ogle(a)tiscali.co.uk wrote:
frank pirrone wrote:
+1 for Gnome Wave Cleaner. I successfully digitalized 50+ years old persian
music LP's using this app.
--
Olivier
I'd also look into
Gramofile:
for pop/click filtering and automatic breaking of a continuous recording
into "tracks" or songs. It can be used for post-processing the
recordings you make.
I'd also look into
Gramofile:
I'd recommend gnome-wave-cleaner for post-processing:
http://gwc.sourceforge.net/
7:37 p.m.
Olivier Guilyardi wrote:
garry.ogle(a)tiscali.co.uk wrote:
Yeah, me too. It's a fine program, but my reason for referring the OP
to Gramofile was primarily its functionality for breaking a continuous
recording into individual tracks or songs based upon the silence between
as delimiter.
Anyone have another program recommendation for that operation?
Of course it's easy enough to manually split a waveform where one tune
ends and another begins, but if one were digitizing an entire record
collection that would be beyond onerous. Also DAO can certainly handle
impressing that continuous recording onto optical media, but that's not
the same as having individual files - for any of a number of purposes.
Frank
frank pirrone wrote:
+1 for Gnome Wave Cleaner. I successfully digitalized 50+ years old persian
music LP's using this app.
--
Olivier
_______________________________________________
I'd also look into
Gramofile:
for pop/click filtering and automatic breaking of a continuous recording
into "tracks" or songs. It can be used for post-processing the
recordings you make.
I'd also look into
Gramofile:
I'd recommend gnome-wave-cleaner for post-processing:
http://gwc.sourceforge.net/
8:06 p.m.
frank pirrone wrote:
Olivier Guilyardi wrote:
Thanks all. Interesting suggesting Frank...
Btw. Does it matter for quality what soundcard is used?
garry.ogle(a)tiscali.co.uk wrote:
Yeah, me too. It's a fine program, but my reason for referring the OP
to Gramofile was primarily its functionality for breaking a continuous
recording into individual tracks or songs based upon the silence between
as delimiter.
Anyone have another program recommendation for that operation?
Of course it's easy enough to manually split a waveform where one tune
ends and another begins, but if one were digitizing an entire record
collection that would be beyond onerous. Also DAO can certainly handle
impressing that continuous recording onto optical media, but that's not
the same as having individual files - for any of a number of purposes.
frank pirrone wrote:
+1 for Gnome Wave Cleaner. I successfully digitalized 50+ years old
persian
music LP's using this app.
--
Olivier
_______________________________________________
I'd also look into
Gramofile:
for pop/click filtering and automatic breaking of a continuous recording
into "tracks" or songs. It can be used for post-processing the
recordings you make.
I'd also look into
Gramofile:
I'd recommend gnome-wave-cleaner for post-processing:
http://gwc.sourceforge.net/
8:53 p.m.
Grammostola Rosea wrote:
frank pirrone wrote:
Not in my experience. It's not a demanding audio task. Others may
report differently. I digitized some vinyl, but did more audio cassette
processing, and that worked very well.
Frank
Olivier Guilyardi wrote:
Thanks all. Interesting suggesting Frank...
Btw. Does it matter for quality what soundcard is used?
garry.ogle(a)tiscali.co.uk wrote:
Yeah, me too. It's a fine program, but my reason for referring the OP
to Gramofile was primarily its functionality for breaking a continuous
recording into individual tracks or songs based upon the silence between
as delimiter.
Anyone have another program recommendation for that operation?
Of course it's easy enough to manually split a waveform where one tune
ends and another begins, but if one were digitizing an entire record
collection that would be beyond onerous. Also DAO can certainly handle
impressing that continuous recording onto optical media, but that's not
the same as having individual files - for any of a number of purposes.
frank pirrone wrote:
> I'd also look into
> Gramofile:
> for pop/click filtering and automatic breaking of a continuous recording
> into "tracks" or songs. It can be used for post-processing the
> recordings you make.
> I'd also look into
> Gramofile:
>
>
>
I'd recommend gnome-wave-cleaner for post-processing:
http://gwc.sourceforge.net/
+1 for Gnome Wave Cleaner. I successfully digitalized 50+ years old
persian
music LP's using this app.
--
Olivier
_______________________________________________
24 Mar
24 Mar
7:07 a.m.
frank pirrone wrote:
Grammostola Rosea wrote:
Can someone confirm or reject this thesis?
\r
frank pirrone wrote:
Not in my experience. It's not a demanding audio task. Others may
report differently. Olivier Guilyardi wrote:
Thanks all. Interesting suggesting Frank...
Btw. Does it matter for quality what soundcard is used?
garry.ogle(a)tiscali.co.uk wrote:
> frank pirrone wrote:
>
>
>> I'd also look into Gramofile:
>> for pop/click filtering and automatic breaking of a continuous
>> recording into "tracks" or songs. It can be used for
>> post-processing the recordings you make.
>> I'd also look into Gramofile:
>>
> I'd recommend gnome-wave-cleaner for post-processing:
>
> http://gwc.sourceforge.net/
>
+1 for Gnome Wave Cleaner. I successfully digitalized 50+ years old
persian
music LP's using this app.
--
Olivier
_______________________________________________
Yeah, me too. It's a fine program, but my reason for referring
the
OP to Gramofile was primarily its functionality for breaking a
continuous recording into individual tracks or songs based upon the
silence between as delimiter.
Anyone have another program recommendation for that operation?
Of course it's easy enough to manually split a waveform where one
tune ends and another begins, but if one were digitizing an entire
record collection that would be beyond onerous. Also DAO can
certainly handle impressing that continuous recording onto optical
media, but that's not the same as having individual files - for any
of a number of purposes.
7:25 a.m.
Grammostola Rosea wrote:
frank pirrone wrote:
Going back a few years I
digitised a set of LPs using a SoundBlaster 16
card with a consumer Technics turntable, amplified by an ancient Inkel
MX-1810 mixer, hooked up to the line-in socket of the SB16 with a 3.5mm
jack.
Sounded surprisingly good given the bodged setup!
Obviously you will get better sound quality with a decent sound card,
but depending on your source, you can get away with a cheap sound card.
I don't recommend motherboard onboard sound chips though. They usually
pick up a lot of digital noise from the computer.
At the time I made those recordings, I was a Windows user and would
probably have used Steinberg Wavelab. I don't know what I'd use these
days under Linux though.
Jonathan
Grammostola Rosea wrote:
Can someone confirm or reject this thesis? frank pirrone wrote:
Not in my experience. It's not a demanding audio task. Others may
report differently.
Olivier Guilyardi wrote:
> garry.ogle(a)tiscali.co.uk wrote:
>
>
>> frank pirrone wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> I'd also look into Gramofile:
>>> for pop/click filtering and automatic breaking of a continuous
>>> recording into "tracks" or songs. It can be used for
>>> post-processing the recordings you make.
>>> I'd also look into Gramofile:
>>>
>>>
>> I'd recommend gnome-wave-cleaner for post-processing:
>>
>> http://gwc.sourceforge.net/
>>
>>
> +1 for Gnome Wave Cleaner. I successfully digitalized 50+ years old
> persian
> music LP's using this app.
>
> --
> Olivier
> _______________________________________________
>
>
Yeah, me too. It's a fine program, but my reason for referring the
OP to Gramofile was primarily its functionality for breaking a
continuous recording into individual tracks or songs based upon the
silence between as delimiter.
Anyone have another program recommendation for that operation?
Of course it's easy enough to manually split a waveform where one
tune ends and another begins, but if one were digitizing an entire
record collection that would be beyond onerous. Also DAO can
certainly handle impressing that continuous recording onto optical
media, but that's not the same as having individual files - for any
of a number of purposes.
Thanks all. Interesting suggesting Frank...
Btw. Does it matter for quality what soundcard is used?
11:56 a.m.
Jonathan Gazeley wrote:
IIRC I used a SB16 too :)
Grammostola Rosea wrote:
> frank pirrone wrote:
>> Grammostola Rosea wrote:
>>> frank pirrone wrote:
>>>> Olivier Guilyardi wrote:
>>>>> garry.ogle(a)tiscali.co.uk wrote:
>>>>>> frank pirrone wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd also look into Gramofile:
>>>>>>> for pop/click filtering and automatic breaking of a
continuous
>>>>>>> recording into "tracks" or songs. It can be used
for
>>>>>>> post-processing the recordings you make.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd recommend gnome-wave-cleaner for post-processing:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://gwc.sourceforge.net/
>>>>>>
>>>>> +1 for Gnome Wave Cleaner. I successfully digitalized 50+ years old
>>>>> persian
>>>>> music LP's using this app.
>>>>>
>>>> Yeah, me too. It's a fine program, but my reason for referring the
>>>> OP to Gramofile was primarily its functionality for breaking a
>>>> continuous recording into individual tracks or songs based upon the
>>>> silence between as delimiter.
>>>> Anyone have another program recommendation for that operation?
Gnome Wave Cleaner --> Markers / Mark songs
Not sure if you can save all detected songs into multiple files at once though.
Another thing about Gnome Wave Cleaner that I liked, is how efficiently it
handled large files.
>>>> Of course it's easy enough to
manually split a waveform where one
>>>> tune ends and another begins, but if one were digitizing an entire
>>>> record collection that would be beyond onerous. Also DAO can
>>>> certainly handle impressing that continuous recording onto optical
>>>> media, but that's not the same as having individual files - for any
>>>> of a number of purposes.
Splitting can't be fully automatic anyway, you need to review it and maybe
adjust markers manually.
>>> Thanks all. Interesting suggesting
Frank...
>>>
>>> Btw. Does it matter for quality what soundcard is used?
>>>
>> Not in my experience. It's not a demanding audio task. Others may
>> report differently.
IMO, the problem is at the preamp level. If I had some more LP's to digitized
today I'll certainly give a try using the amplified mics input of my Presonus
Firebox firewire device. From the voice/singing recordings I made, I can say
that the Firebox preamps sound excellent to me.
Can someone
confirm or reject this thesis?
Going back a few years I digitised a set of LPs
using a SoundBlaster 16
card with a consumer Technics turntable, amplified by an ancient Inkel
MX-1810 mixer, hooked up to the line-in socket of the SB16 with a 3.5mm
jack. Sounded surprisingly good given the bodged setup!
I had no amplifier/mixer, I think I plugged the turntable directly into the mic
input of the SB16. The sound was ok, but using a mixer or some sort of quality
preamps as you did is certainly much better.
However, there seem to be some other subtleties, especially about equalization:
http://www.tappin.me.uk/Linux/audio.html
Obviously you will get better sound quality with a
decent sound card,
but depending on your source, you can get away with a cheap sound card.
I don't recommend motherboard onboard sound chips though. They usually
pick up a lot of digital noise from the computer.
At the time I made those recordings, I was a Windows user and would
probably have used Steinberg Wavelab. I don't know what I'd use these
days under Linux though.
--
Olivier
10 Apr
10 Apr
7:13 a.m.
Olivier Guilyardi wrote:
Jonathan Gazeley wrote:
Is it preferable to use the amp of the turntable or use an preamp like
the m-audio DMP 3?
And how do you manage capture in ALSA, Ubuntu 9.04? I've no input signal
on my dads pc yet
\r
Grammostola Rosea wrote:
> frank pirrone wrote:
>
>> Grammostola Rosea wrote:
>>
>>> frank pirrone wrote:
>>>
>>>> Olivier Guilyardi wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> garry.ogle(a)tiscali.co.uk wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> frank pirrone wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd also look into Gramofile:
>>>>>>> for pop/click filtering and automatic breaking of a
continuous
>>>>>>> recording into "tracks" or songs. It can be used
for
>>>>>>> post-processing the recordings you make.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd recommend gnome-wave-cleaner for post-processing:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://gwc.sourceforge.net/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> +1 for Gnome Wave Cleaner. I successfully digitalized 50+ years old
>>>>> persian
>>>>> music LP's using this app.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Yeah, me too. It's a fine program, but my reason for referring the
>>>> OP to Gramofile was primarily its functionality for breaking a
>>>> continuous recording into individual tracks or songs based upon the
>>>> silence between as delimiter.
>>>> Anyone have another program recommendation for that operation?
>>>>
Gnome Wave Cleaner --> Markers / Mark songs
Not sure if you can save all detected songs into multiple files at once though.
Another thing about Gnome Wave Cleaner that I liked, is how efficiently it
handled large files.
IMO, the problem is at the preamp level. If I had some more LP's to digitized
today I'll certainly give a try using the amplified mics input of my Presonus
Firebox firewire device. From the voice/singing recordings I made, I can say
that the Firebox preamps sound excellent to me.
8:10 a.m.
On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 11:09 +0200, Grammostola Rosea wrote:
Is it preferable to use the amp of the turntable or
use an preamp like
the m-audio DMP 3?
If you don't use the built-in pre-amp in the turn table (or if you use a
turntable that does not have one) you will need to be sure the pre-amp
input has the correct impedance for the cartridge in the turntable. If
you get this wrong you could have little signal or significant
colouration.
At some point in the chain you will need EQ to balance whatever was
applied during mastering. For modern records this is the RIAA curve and
is usually built in to turntable-specific pre-amps. These days it would
be possible to do it in software and this may be the better approach if
you are interested in really old recordings which use some non-RIAA
curve. Either way you'd want to know if the pre-amp includes the RIAA
curve or not.
And how do you manage capture in ALSA, Ubuntu 9.04?
I've no input signal
on my dads pc yet
Much depends on which soundcard you are using.
For consumer cards the GNOME volume control applet normally allows most
things to be adjusted but not all available controls are visible by
default. If you can't get what you want with the visible controls try
Edit/Preferences where you can chose which controls are visible.
ALSA normally starts with everything muted though once you've set the
controls hopefully they are remembered.
For pro cards there is sometimes a separate program required to load
firmware, configure the card and set it's mixer settings. For example
the RME HDSP family have hdspload, hdspconf and hdspmixer.
Hopefully this helps, if not it would be useful to know the
hardware/software combination you have settled on so people can offer
more specific advice.
Steve.
8:20 a.m.
Steve Fosdick wrote:
On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 11:09 +0200, Grammostola Rosea
wrote:
Thanks.
It's an Delta 66
\r
Is it preferable to use the amp of the turntable
or use an preamp like
the m-audio DMP 3?
If you don't use the built-in pre-amp in the turn table (or if you use a
turntable that does not have one) you will need to be sure the pre-amp
input has the correct impedance for the cartridge in the turntable. If
you get this wrong you could have little signal or significant
colouration.
At some point in the chain you will need EQ to balance whatever was
applied during mastering. For modern records this is the RIAA curve and
is usually built in to turntable-specific pre-amps. These days it would
be possible to do it in software and this may be the better approach if
you are interested in really old recordings which use some non-RIAA
curve. Either way you'd want to know if the pre-amp includes the RIAA
curve or not.
And how do you manage capture in ALSA, Ubuntu
9.04? I've no input signal
on my dads pc yet
Much depends on which soundcard you are using.
Hopefully this helps, if not it would be useful to know the
hardware/software combination you have settled on so people can offer
more specific advice.
11:38 a.m.
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 6:16 AM, Grammostola Rosea
<rosea.grammostola(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks.
It's an Delta 66
I have the same card. The easiest way to record vinyl LPs using this
card is to connect it to the "tape outputs" of the receiver the
turntable is plugged into. Then it's just like taping a record,
except you're using your computer.
If the turntable is not connected to a receiver with phono inputs,
you'll need a phono pre-amp (i.e. a pre-amp with RIAA equalization,
which your DMP-3 does not have). If you're converting a lot of LPs,
buying a nice phono pre-amp might be a good investment. You could
then connect it directly to your Delta 66 breakout box (using RCA to
1/4" TS adapters).
Don't forget to clean the LPs before recording them!
24 Mar
24 Mar
9:44 a.m.
Grammostola Rosea a écrit :
[snipped discussion]
Can someone confirm or reject this thesis? to my
experience, i confirm (*) when the turntable already generates
audible noise. However, i think the quality of the RIAA preamp is
important when the turntable is good.
(*) though, 15 years ago, i measured cheap sound cards to generate phase
distortion between the 2 channels (and some diaphony, too).
Btw. Does it matter for quality what soundcard is used?
Not in my experience. It's not a demanding audio task. Others may
report differently. 
23 Mar
23 Mar
10:30 p.m.
On Monday 23 March 2009 18:37:11 frank pirrone wrote:
Also DAO can certainly handle
impressing that continuous recording onto optical media, but that's not
the same as having individual files - for any of a number of purposes.
Hmm, I was in a discussion very recently where we wondered if any app
could "rip a cd" from a wav file and toc instead of the cd itself. Does
anyone know of one?
drew
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