24 Jun
2023
24 Jun
'23
5:27 p.m.
I've been gifted an ASUS Republic of Gamers (ROG) G750JX laptop but am having a
problem with it. It seem to ignore:
sudo /usr/bin/cpufreq-set -r -g performance
and instead always runs in ondemand mode.
It has a base speed of supposedly 2.4G, but actually runs at 2.3 or less and
very occasionally hits' 3.4G, just *after* Xruns.
There is nothing in the bios I can find regarding CPU frequency
Any suggestions?
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24 Jun
24 Jun
5:38 p.m.
Will Godfrey <willgodfrey(a)musically.me.uk> writes:
I've been gifted an ASUS Republic of Gamers (ROG)
G750JX laptop but am having a
problem with it. It seem to ignore:
sudo /usr/bin/cpufreq-set -r -g performance
and instead always runs in ondemand mode.
It has a base speed of supposedly 2.4G, but actually runs at 2.3 or less and
very occasionally hits' 3.4G, just *after* Xruns.
There is nothing in the bios I can find regarding CPU frequency
Any suggestions?
My T420 tends to frequently exhibit considerable resistance to running
at full speed until I do
sudo powertop
and check the frequencies there. After exiting the utility, the
throttling appears to be gone.
And yes, cpufreq-info claims to use the "performance" frequency
governor, but it doesn't seem to take hold until I check with powertop.
No idea what the real fix would be. Possibly worth a try in your case
as well.
--
David Kastrup
6 p.m.
Am 24/06/2023 um 17:27 schrieb Will Godfrey:
I've been gifted an ASUS Republic of Gamers (ROG) G750JX laptop but am having a
problem with it. It seem to ignore:
sudo /usr/bin/cpufreq-set -r -g performance
and instead always runs in ondemand mode.
It has a base speed of supposedly 2.4G, but actually runs at 2.3 or less and
very occasionally hits' 3.4G, just *after* Xruns.
I remember to have hade difficulties using cpufreq-set on my Asus Zenbook. I'm using
now cpupower
with flag frequency-set what works well. E.g.:
sudo cpupower frequency-set -d 500MHz -u 3000MHz
to tune lower and upper frequencies being used by govenor or
sudo cpupower frequency-set -d 3000MHz -u 3000MHz
to clamp the frequency to 3000 MHz. Might work for you as well?!
Gerhard
8:16 p.m.
On Sat, 24 Jun 2023 16:27:53 +0100
Will Godfrey <willgodfrey(a)musically.me.uk> wrote:
I've been gifted an ASUS Republic of Gamers (ROG)
G750JX laptop but am having a
problem with it. It seem to ignore:
sudo /usr/bin/cpufreq-set -r -g performance
and instead always runs in ondemand mode.
It has a base speed of supposedly 2.4G, but actually runs at 2.3 or less and
very occasionally hits' 3.4G, just *after* Xruns.
There is nothing in the bios I can find regarding CPU frequency
Any suggestions?
Unfortunately neither of those suggestions worked.
What seems to be happening is that when idle the machine lets me set higher
frequencies, but as soon as it starts to do any work, the settings are changed
to lower values, and then may be increased again... too late!
It's more-or-less OK, running 48k 128frames 3buffers into a KA6
This is an intel i7. A considerably older intel i5 runs quite happily with the
same workload running 48k 64frames 3buffers (also KA6).
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http://yoshimi.github.io
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9:51 p.m.
On 6/24/23 11:16 AM, Will Godfrey wrote:
On Sat, 24 Jun 2023 16:27:53 +0100
Will Godfrey <willgodfrey(a)musically.me.uk> wrote:
I have been using the parameters in the intel_pstate driver to tune cpu
frequencies...
/sys/devices/system/cpu/intel_pstate/
in particular max_perf_pct, min_perf_pct and no_turbo
-- Fernando
I've been gifted an ASUS Republic of Gamers
(ROG) G750JX laptop but am having a
problem with it. It seem to ignore:
sudo /usr/bin/cpufreq-set -r -g performance
and instead always runs in ondemand mode.
It has a base speed of supposedly 2.4G, but actually runs at 2.3 or less and
very occasionally hits' 3.4G, just *after* Xruns.
There is nothing in the bios I can find regarding CPU frequency
Any suggestions?
Unfortunately neither of those suggestions worked.
What seems to be happening is that when idle the machine lets me set higher
frequencies, but as soon as it starts to do any work, the settings are changed
to lower values, and then may be increased again... too late!
It's more-or-less OK, running 48k 128frames 3buffers into a KA6
This is an intel i7. A considerably older intel i5 runs quite happily with the
same workload running 48k 64frames 3buffers (also KA6). 
11:24 p.m.
On 24/06/2023 19:16, Will Godfrey wrote:
On Sat, 24 Jun 2023 16:27:53 +0100
Will Godfrey <willgodfrey(a)musically.me.uk> wrote:
Will,
Could be "turbo" mode? The CPU is clocked at a speed that'll cause it to
run too hot if fully loaded, and throttled back when the temperature
rises. You can see the current state, and turn it off & on, via:
/sys/devices/system/cpu/intel_pstate/no_turbo
Write '0' there to enable turbo mode, '1' to disable it. Disabling it
makes my laptop run a lot cooler.
Attached the tiny shell script I use to see & change the setting, in
case that's useful.
Hope that helps,
Colin.
I've been gifted an ASUS Republic of Gamers
(ROG) G750JX laptop but am having a
problem with it. It seem to ignore:
sudo /usr/bin/cpufreq-set -r -g performance
and instead always runs in ondemand mode.
It has a base speed of supposedly 2.4G, but actually runs at 2.3 or less and
very occasionally hits' 3.4G, just *after* Xruns.
There is nothing in the bios I can find regarding CPU frequency
Any suggestions?
Unfortunately neither of those suggestions worked.
What seems to be happening is that when idle the machine lets me set higher
frequencies, but as soon as it starts to do any work, the settings are changed
to lower values, and then may be increased again... too late!
It's more-or-less OK, running 48k 128frames 3buffers into a KA6
This is an intel i7. A considerably older intel i5 runs quite happily with the
same workload running 48k 64frames 3buffers (also KA6).
25 Jun
25 Jun
midnight
Colin Fletcher <colin.m.fletcher(a)googlemail.com> writes:
Could be "turbo" mode? The CPU is clocked at
a speed that'll cause it
to run too hot if fully loaded, and throttled back when the
temperature rises. You can see the current state, and turn it off &
on, via:
/sys/devices/system/cpu/intel_pstate/no_turbo
Write '0' there to enable turbo mode, '1' to disable it. Disabling it
makes my laptop run a lot cooler.
Attached the tiny shell script I use to see & change the setting, in
case that's useful.
When the module thinkpad_acpi (I suspect dependent on laptop type) is
loaded with the option fan_control=1 you can do things like
echo level 7|sudo tee /proc/acpi/ibm/fan
or
echo level disengaged|sudo tee /proc/acpi/ibm/fan
(the last one is the loudest and fastest) in order to set a particular
fan speed.
echo level auto|sudo tee /proc/acpi/ibm/fan
resets to temperature-based.
My laptop has a thermal design power of 35W and my CPU of 45W, so if I
am doing heavy computations, I tend to crank the fan up in advance
because it will underestimate where it has to go for a given
temperature.
--
David Kastrup
12:55 a.m.
On 6/24/23 12:00, David Kastrup wrote:
Colin Fletcher<colin.m.fletcher(a)googlemail.com>
writes:
Not necessarily pertinent to the issue, but a few years ago I decided to
invest my budget for a new "power" machine into a Dell XPS 15 laptop
(i9, 64GB RAM, 2TB NVMI SSD, 16" 4K OLED display). Nominally the CPU can
do 5GHz, but I've never had it top 4.6GHz. And hitting that required
sitting the laptop on a large five-fan laptop cooler.
So, after too many words, my next "power" machine *won't* be a laptop.
So many new laptops are so "optimized" to be slim and thin, they have
little or no real cooling capacity. I think even some of those small
cases do better cooling than laptops these days.
--
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authenticity, honesty, community
http://dancingtreefrog.com
"My password is the last 8 digits of π."
Could be "turbo" mode? The CPU is
clocked at a speed that'll cause it
to run too hot if fully loaded, and throttled back when the
temperature rises. You can see the current state, and turn it off &
on, via:
/sys/devices/system/cpu/intel_pstate/no_turbo
Write '0' there to enable turbo mode, '1' to disable it. Disabling it
makes my laptop run a lot cooler.
Attached the tiny shell script I use to see & change the setting, in
case that's useful.
When the module thinkpad_acpi (I suspect dependent on
laptop type) is
loaded with the option fan_control=1 you can do things like
echo level 7|sudo tee /proc/acpi/ibm/fan
or
echo level disengaged|sudo tee /proc/acpi/ibm/fan
(the last one is the loudest and fastest) in order to set a particular
fan speed.
echo level auto|sudo tee /proc/acpi/ibm/fan
resets to temperature-based.
My laptop has a thermal design power of 35W and my CPU of 45W, so if I
am doing heavy computations, I tend to crank the fan up in advance
because it will underestimate where it has to go for a given
temperature.
12:54 a.m.
On Saturday, June 24, 2023 1:16:24 PM CDT Will Godfrey wrote:
What seems to be happening is that when idle the
machine lets me set higher
frequencies, but as soon as it starts to do any work, the settings are
changed to lower values
That sounds like it could be thermal throttling.
Have you tried setting a fixed lower clock frequency? A fixed lower frequency
would be better for low latency use than higher frequencies which have to be
changed frequently as the CPU temperature goes up and down.
--
Chris Caudle
24 Jun
24 Jun
11:59 p.m.
On 25/6/23 01:27, Will Godfrey wrote:
I've been gifted an ASUS Republic of Gamers (ROG)
G750JX laptop but am having a
problem with it. It seem to ignore:
sudo /usr/bin/cpufreq-set -r -g performance
and instead always runs in ondemand mode.
It has a base speed of supposedly 2.4G, but actually runs at 2.3 or less and
very occasionally hits' 3.4G, just *after* Xruns.
There is nothing in the bios I can find regarding CPU frequency
Any suggestions?
Maybe related to intel cstate or pstate drivers. I use Liquorix kernel
which defaults to disabling pstate with intel_pstate=disable and I add
intel_idle.max_cstate=0 processor.max_cstate=1 to disable cstates. It
also defaults to performance governor.
An interesting page on cstates:-
https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/405775/acpi-idle-vs-intel-idle
You can check which driver is being used:
cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_driver
Mine says acpi-cpufreq
25 Jun
25 Jun
9:41 a.m.
On Sat, 24 Jun 2023 16:27:53 +0100
Will Godfrey <willgodfrey(a)musically.me.uk> wrote:
I've been gifted an ASUS Republic of Gamers (ROG)
G750JX laptop but am having a
problem with it. It seem to ignore:
sudo /usr/bin/cpufreq-set -r -g performance
and instead always runs in ondemand mode.
It has a base speed of supposedly 2.4G, but actually runs at 2.3 or less and
very occasionally hits' 3.4G, just *after* Xruns.
There is nothing in the bios I can find regarding CPU frequency
Any suggestions?
Thanks again for all the suggestions and info. It seems laptops (in particular)
have become *far* more complicated in a very short time :(
I'll work through the suggestions and report on what (if anything) helps.
Incidentally, mate-system-monitor shows fairly long periods of just over 40% on
one core, switching between cores from time to time. All the others are running
between 5% and 10%.
--
Will J Godfrey {apparently now an 'elderly'}
https://willgodfrey.bandcamp.com/
http://yoshimi.github.io
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.
26 Jun
26 Jun
2:05 a.m.
On June 24, 2023 9:41:25 PM HST, Will Godfrey <willgodfrey(a)musically.me.uk> wrote:
On Sat, 24 Jun 2023 16:27:53 +0100
Will Godfrey <willgodfrey(a)musically.me.uk> wrote:
Another complexity, perhaps, that I've never encountered: CPUs that combine
"power" and "efficiency" cores. My i9 is 9th generation, not an
"efficiency" core in sight.
Maybe that affects things, too?
---
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exploring the landscape of god
http://dancingtreefrog.com
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I've been gifted an ASUS Republic of Gamers
(ROG) G750JX laptop but am having a
problem with it. It seem to ignore:
sudo /usr/bin/cpufreq-set -r -g performance
and instead always runs in ondemand mode.
It has a base speed of supposedly 2.4G, but actually runs at 2.3 or less and
very occasionally hits' 3.4G, just *after* Xruns.
There is nothing in the bios I can find regarding CPU frequency
Any suggestions?
Thanks again for all the suggestions and info. It seems laptops (in particular)
have become *far* more complicated in a very short time :(
I'll work through the suggestions and report on what (if anything) helps.
Incidentally, mate-system-monitor shows fairly long periods of just over 40% on
one core, switching between cores from time to time. All the others are running
between 5% and 10%.
1:59 p.m.
It looks like this may be a lost cause :(
I've been running this on the mains, but today forgot to switch on at the wall.
The battery only lasted long enough for a brief flicker of the 'on' LED.
Also I've now discovered some of the keys aren't working.
Having said that, I do very much appreciate all the help you've given, and have
learned a lot more about modern laptops!
So, the next question is, can anyone suggest a reasonably inexpensive laptop
that plays well with Linux?
--
Will J Godfrey {apparently now an 'elderly'}
https://willgodfrey.bandcamp.com/
http://yoshimi.github.io
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.
2:10 p.m.
Will Godfrey <willgodfrey(a)musically.me.uk> writes:
It looks like this may be a lost cause :(
I've been running this on the mains, but today forgot to switch on at the wall.
The battery only lasted long enough for a brief flicker of the 'on' LED.
Also I've now discovered some of the keys aren't working.
Having said that, I do very much appreciate all the help you've given, and have
learned a lot more about modern laptops!
So, the next question is, can anyone suggest a reasonably inexpensive laptop
that plays well with Linux?
Well, my own Lenovo T420 is very likely too old to be considered "plays
well" with anything for current-day expectations. However, things like
"some of the keys aren't working" and "battery only lasted long
enough"
with the entire product line tend to be fixable with ubiquitous
replacement parts from the net, helped by downloadable service manuals
detailing every screw you need to remove in which order to access what.
Make no mistake: since the old IBM Thinkpad times,
disassembly/replacement has had a tendency to become more annoying and
contrived. Still, being able to revert to the respective instructions
helps a lot.
So that's likely the brand I'd personally be focusing on, though making
sure that I don't get something with an Nvidia GPU. The builtin Intel
GPU support is much more likely to not end up causing trouble other than
moderate performance.
--
David Kastrup
6:15 p.m.
On Mon, 26 Jun 2023, Will Godfrey wrote:
So, the next question is, can anyone suggest a
reasonably inexpensive laptop
that plays well with Linux?
I suspect you mean more than plays well with Linux. I have an Acer spin
(i5) that has worked well for me. All the periferals work. etc. However, I
do not use it for audio beyond videos and phone calls as I do not own any
USB audio devices beyond USB 1.1 mic/headphone dongles (some of them
purchaced for less than $1). I would like to have one (4 to 6 i/o though
more would be nice) but it is not in the budget just now as I already have
both a PCI and FW devices that are more stable than any USB devices I have
bumped into. They are just not portable.
I will say, that I did need to change the bios in such a way that windows
will not boot just to load Linux but I have really no use for a windows
partition anyway. I think this will be true on just about any newer
laptop. One needs to remove the "security" that windows deems required to
run (which makes it hard to run anything other than windows). I also had
to change the bios to make the touch pad act like a normal mouse rather
than an I2C (I think) device. I have heard that once the right modules are
loaded I could switch it back but have not tried that as everything works
well the way I have things set. It may make more difference to someone who
wishes to dual boot.
My primary use other than day to day computing has been to run an android
lyric display using waydroid which works well for me. (I do have some
complaints waydroid but these are not device specific) All my charts are
chordpro and there do not seem to be good display applications in native
Linux... something I intend to work on in the future.... maybe.
--
Len Ovens
www.ovenwerks.net
27 Jun
27 Jun
noon
On 26-06-2023 18:15, Len Ovens wrote:
I will say, that I did need to change the bios in such
a way that
windows will not boot just to load Linux but I have really no use for a
windows partition anyway. I think this will be true on just about any
newer laptop. One needs to remove the "security" that windows deems
required to run (which makes it hard to run anything other than windows).
You do not need to disable secure boot in all cases in order to install
Linux. I've installed Ubuntu on a brand new Dell 5420 with a Bitlocker
Windows partition. I could resize the Bitlocker partition booting from
an USB stick using dislocker and install Ubuntu on its own partitions.
Make sure though you install Grub on a separate partition and not
somewhere that has been touched by the initial provisioning of the
laptop. Like this you can select which OS to boot from the boot menu of
the system. You can't use signed drivers like this I think but
everything seems to work anyway with their open source counterparts.
Haven't tried audio though on this setup ;)
Best,
Jeremy
6:18 p.m.
On Tue, 27 Jun 2023, Jeremy Jongepier wrote:
You do not need to disable secure boot in all cases in
order to install
Linux. I've installed Ubuntu on a brand new Dell 5420 with a Bitlocker
This is probably true and may even be true for this machine. However, I
haven't used windows for years aside from one or two utilities that happen
to work with wine (convert this file to that kinds of things) so I have
very little incentive to make windows work on my machine. the last windows
in the house (my wife's machine) was win95 and was removed when it started
sending nasty emails to every email address it could find. Aside from
that, it was not only secure boot I had to change in the bios. Beyond
that, an iso usb stick from a major distro like Ubuntu should come with
instructions beyond "boot from iso and install". A "known problems and
workarounds" link would be reasonable.
Len
--
Len Ovens
www.ovenwerks.net
26 Jun
26 Jun
7:09 p.m.
System76 hardware works fine with Linux, comes without Windows.
My wife's Lenovo works fine running Ubuntu. I think we paid ability $500 for it.
My Dell XPS15 works fine running Debian. My particular configuration came in at $3000 but
cheaper configurations are available.
Good luck and happy hunting!
On June 26, 2023 1:59:47 AM HST, Will Godfrey <willgodfrey(a)musically.me.uk> wrote:
It looks like this may be a lost cause :(
I've been running this on the mains, but today forgot to switch on at the wall.
The battery only lasted long enough for a brief flicker of the 'on' LED.
Also I've now discovered some of the keys aren't working.
Having said that, I do very much appreciate all the help you've given, and have
learned a lot more about modern laptops!
So, the next question is, can anyone suggest a reasonably inexpensive laptop
that plays well with Linux?
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https://willgodfrey.bandcamp.com/
http://yoshimi.github.io
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Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.
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27 Jun
27 Jun
6:30 a.m.
Also...the oldest working computer we have here is old System76 Starling
netbook, powered by a blazing Intel Atom processor with a whopping 2GB
of RAM and a 4800rpm 250GB hard drive. It was my wife's main machine
until its inability to do anything useful while driving a 1920x1080 FHD
monitor got in the way.
It's currently running 32-bit Debian 11. It functioned as my audio
player when I didn't want to bring my personal laptop into the office.
Of course, courtesy of COVIDry and retirement, it hasn't been in an
office for years, still I use it for playing audio files when I want my
Dell dedicating its horsepower to other things. ;)
The netbook's display resolution is 800x600, I haven't found many
current GUI audio production tools that tolerate that small screen.
So, happy hunting for another machine!
On 6/26/23 07:09, David W. Jones wrote:
System76 hardware works fine with Linux, comes without
Windows.
My wife's Lenovo works fine running Ubuntu. I think we paid ability
$500 for it.
My Dell XPS15 works fine running Debian. My particular configuration
came in at $3000 but cheaper configurations are available.
Good luck and happy hunting!
On June 26, 2023 1:59:47 AM HST, Will Godfrey
<willgodfrey(a)musically.me.uk> wrote:
It looks like this may be a lost cause :( I've been running this
on the mains, but today forgot to switch on at the wall. The
battery only lasted long enough for a brief flicker of the 'on'
LED. Also I've now discovered some of the keys aren't working.
Having said that, I do very much appreciate all the help you've
given, and have learned a lot more about modern laptops! So, the
next question is, can anyone suggest a reasonably inexpensive
laptop that plays well with Linux?
------------------------------------------------------------------------
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gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
http://dancingtreefrog.com
"My password is the last 8 digits of π."
10:01 p.m.
Thanks again for all the info and suggestions. I've got till October to sort it
out - want to take it to this year's Sonoj
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http://yoshimi.github.io
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