1 Apr
2010
1 Apr
'10
11:33 p.m.
Nevermind my previous idiotic question.
Of course there is.... JAPA does exactly what I want.
Nevermind.
-ken
5 Apr
5 Apr
7:14 p.m.
New subject: JACK (or LADSPA or LV2) spectrum analyzer? -- NEVERMIND, I found japa!
Ken Restivo wrote:
Of course there is.... JAPA does exactly what I want.
Thanks for asking the question and letting me discover japa, very
useful, I think I'm gonna be mixing with that running the next times!
--
Atte
http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk
7:57 p.m.
New subject: JACK (or LADSPA or LV2) spectrum analyzer? -- NEVERMIND, I found japa!
On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 20:48:03 +0200
Atte André Jensen <atte.jensen(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Ken Restivo wrote:
I found this useful too. Confirms suspicions I had about one or two
tracks!
--
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.
Of course there is.... JAPA does exactly what I
want.
Thanks for asking the question and letting me discover japa, very
useful, I think I'm gonna be mixing with that running the next times! 
6 Apr
6 Apr
4:20 p.m.
New subject: JACK (or LADSPA or LV2) spectrum analyzer? -- NEVERMIND, I found japa!
On Monday 05 April 2010 20:48:03 Atte André Jensen wrote:
Ken Restivo wrote:
Please don't use it while mixing.
Music is for ears, not for eyes. There is no point in a flat line in japa
produced by your music when it sounds like sh*, has flat voice, mistuned
instruments and sloppy rythm.
Use it to analyse your final mix in the beta stage. Use it to measure (and
correct) your listening environment. Use it to train your ears with music of
others.
But please don't use it for mixing music.
Arnold
Of course there is.... JAPA does exactly what I
want.
Thanks for asking the question and letting me discover japa, very
useful, I think I'm gonna be mixing with that running the next times!
5:28 p.m.
New subject: JACK (or LADSPA or LV2) spectrum analyzer? -- NEVERMIND, I found japa!
Arnold Krille wrote:
But please don't use it for mixing music.
I'm not gonna. But I already looked (and listened *hard*) at some
audio-i-adore while fooling around with sketches to emulate what I *hear*.
I rely on my ears for everything. But something visual can show things I
would have a hard time realizing by ear alone.
--
Atte
http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk
5:48 p.m.
New subject: JACK (or LADSPA or LV2) spectrum analyzer? -- NEVERMIND, I found?japa!
On Tue, Apr 06, 2010 at 08:20:12PM +0200, Arnold Krille wrote:
On Monday 05 April 2010 20:48:03 Atte André Jensen
wrote:
As Japa's creator I do agree with this.
You *can* use Japa while mixing, but indeed don't
make the mistake that a 'flat spectrum' is a target
to go for. It isn't. And Japa has more than one idea
of what constitues a 'flat spectrum' anyway.
Japa is a tool like any other, and if I may say so,
a good one. But *you* have to learn and use it, it
is not a substitute for training your ears, and for
being able to listen critically.
Ciao,
--
FA
O tu, che porte, correndo si ?
E guerra e morte !
Ken Restivo wrote:
Please don't use it while mixing.
Music is for ears, not for eyes. There is no point in a flat line in japa
produced by your music when it sounds like sh*, has flat voice, mistuned
instruments and sloppy rythm.
Use it to analyse your final mix in the beta stage. Use it to measure (and
correct) your listening environment. Use it to train your ears with music of
others.
But please don't use it for mixing music. Of course there is.... JAPA does exactly what I
want.
Thanks for asking the question and letting me discover japa, very
useful, I think I'm gonna be mixing with that running the next times! 
7:47 p.m.
New subject: JACK (or LADSPA or LV2) spectrum analyzer? -- NEVERMIND, I found japa!
On 04/06/2010 08:20 PM, Arnold Krille wrote:
On Monday 05 April 2010 20:48:03 Atte André Jensen
wrote:
i don't think there's much harm in running an analyzer during mixing, at
least not when you have to deal with difficult instruments like organs
or a double bass, or weird electronica from someone you haven't worked
with before. often, LF garbage creeps in that your average home
recordist's monitor setup won't reveal. likewise for funny HF.
what i do recommend against is staring at the analyser while setting EQ
- that's too distracting.
your visual sense will always override the ears. ask any surround sound
engineer how frustrating that can be when it happens to your audience :)
sure you can stubbornly aim at a flat spectrum while mixing. some
legendary recordings have been made like that. donald fagen, the
nightfly, anyone?
sure, it means nobody in their right minds will listen to your album
outside of a p.a. soundcheck, but hey, that's one approach to
immortality... (i still use that track when no one's looking)
Ken Restivo wrote:
Please don't use it while mixing.
Music is for ears, not for eyes. There is no point in a flat line in japa
produced by your music when it sounds like sh*, has flat voice, mistuned
instruments and sloppy rythm.
Use it to analyse your final mix in the beta stage. Use it to measure (and
correct) your listening environment. Use it to train your ears with music of
others.
But please don't use it for mixing music. Of course there is.... JAPA does exactly what I
want.
Thanks for asking the question and letting me discover japa, very
useful, I think I'm gonna be mixing with that running the next times!
8:31 p.m.
New subject: JACK (or LADSPA or LV2) spectrum analyzer? -- NEVERMIND, I found japa!
On Tue, Apr 06, 2010 at 11:50:24PM +0200, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote:
sure you can stubbornly aim at a flat spectrum while
mixing. some
legendary recordings have been made like that. donald fagen, the
nightfly, anyone?
??? NO WAY.
I've just been running some tracks (IGY, Ruby baby, Maxine,
New frontier, Walk between the raindrops) through Japa and
they don't look 'flat' at all.
sure, it means nobody in their right minds will listen
to your album
outside of a p.a. soundcheck, but hey, that's one approach to
immortality... (i still use that track when no one's looking)
Or listening. It's one of my favourites, along with 'Heavy Weather'
(Weather Report) and Joni Mitchell's 'The hissing of summer lawns'.
Ciao,
--
FA
O tu, che porte, correndo si ?
E guerra e morte !
10:12 p.m.
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On 04/07/2010 12:26 AM, fons(a)kokkinizita.net wrote:
it really is? well, maybe i've worn it out at work. i find it a little
to perfect for recreational listening.
On Tue, Apr 06, 2010 at 11:50:24PM +0200, Jörn
Nettingsmeier wrote:
well, not in the literal sense - how could it?
but in the sense that there is constant action in every major frequency
band pretty much all the time, which is why it's so quick to equalise a
p.a. system with it. no need to loop or skip.
i'm pretty sure that was what fagen was aiming at - to produce dense
music that stays transparent yet has a very wide spectrum, constantly.
and i wouldn't put it past him to check on the analyser where there's
some space left for yet another sound layer or part ;)
sure you can stubbornly aim at a flat spectrum
while mixing. some
legendary recordings have been made like that. donald fagen, the
nightfly, anyone?
??? NO WAY.
I've just been running some tracks (IGY, Ruby baby, Maxine,
New frontier, Walk between the raindrops) through Japa and
they don't look 'flat' at all. sure, it means
nobody in their right minds will listen to your album
outside of a p.a. soundcheck, but hey, that's one approach to
immortality... (i still use that track when no one's looking)
Or listening. It's one of my favourites, along with 'Heavy Weather'
(Weather Report)
hey ho! that's more like it :) i need to dig out that LP i have... but
my personal preference is "mysterious traveller".
and Joni Mitchell's 'The hissing of summer
lawns'.
don't know that one, but i really need to get a few more of joni's
albums - all i have is "mingus" which is brilliant but only digestible
for mingus and joni lovers, and a greatest hits album which has
woodstock, both sides now, circle game, free man in paris and yellow
taxi on it :)
7 Apr
7 Apr
8:16 a.m.
New subject: JACK (or LADSPA or LV2) spectrum analyzer? -- NEVERMIND, I found japa!
On Wed, Apr 07, 2010 at 02:15:30AM +0200, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote:
well, not in the literal sense - how could it?
but in the sense that there is constant action in every major frequency
band pretty much all the time, which is why it's so quick to equalise a
p.a. system with it. no need to loop or skip.
i'm pretty sure that was what fagen was aiming at - to produce dense
music that stays transparent yet has a very wide spectrum, constantly.
and i wouldn't put it past him to check on the analyser where there's
some space left for yet another sound layer or part ;)
In that sense surely, but then I'd think Fagen is not
alone - any producer going for a 'rich' arrangement will
take care not to cram everything in the same part of the
spectrum. Don't have any ABBA here, but I wonder how they
measure on Japa...
Ciao,
--
FA
O tu, che porte, correndo si ?
E guerra e morte !
13 Apr
13 Apr
5:04 a.m.
New subject: JACK (or LADSPA or LV2) spectrum analyzer? -- NEVERMIND, I found japa!
On Wed, Apr 07, 2010 at 12:11:14PM +0200, fons(a)kokkinizita.net wrote:
On Wed, Apr 07, 2010 at 02:15:30AM +0200, Jörn
Nettingsmeier wrote:
My favorite record of perhaps all time is Thomas Dolby's "Aliens Ate My
Buick".
Dolby's "The Flat Earth" is a close second (notice a pattern?).
I love Dolby's and Bill Bottrell's production. The stuff is so transparent, and
seems so simple and clean, yet there are tons of little details hidden in there.
-ken
well, not in the literal sense - how could it?
but in the sense that there is constant action in every major frequency
band pretty much all the time, which is why it's so quick to equalise a
p.a. system with it. no need to loop or skip.
i'm pretty sure that was what fagen was aiming at - to produce dense
music that stays transparent yet has a very wide spectrum, constantly.
and i wouldn't put it past him to check on the analyser where there's
some space left for yet another sound layer or part ;)
In that sense surely, but then I'd think Fagen is not
alone - any producer going for a 'rich' arrangement will
take care not to cram everything in the same part of the
spectrum. Don't have any ABBA here, but I wonder how they
measure on Japa...
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