Steve> I think you need to run the script that creates the Steve> devices, on my machine the config is in Steve> /etc/makedev.d/alsa, but I've no idea how you run it. There's nothing like that here, but I've run /usr/share/alsa-base/snddevices several times. If you have to give it arguments, I don't have any idea about that either. Mark> So it looks like drivers aren't loaded. What's in Mark> modules.conf/modprobe.conf? In debian (I think any debian), modules.conf is a file, which is created from the files in the /etc/modutils directory. The sound-related stuff in modules.conf is: (This part is because I created /etc/modutils/alsa from directions on the net.) ### update-modules: start processing /etc/modutils/alsa # ALSA portion alias char-major-116 snd alias snd-card-0 snd-emu10k1 # module options should go here # OSS/Free portion alias char-major-14 soundcore alias sound-slot-0 snd-card-0 # card #1 alias sound-service-0-0 snd-mixer-oss alias sound-service-0-1 snd-seq-oss alias sound-service-0-3 snd-pcm-oss alias sound-service-0-8 snd-seq-oss alias sound-service-0-12 snd-pcm-oss (This part is there in any knoppix system, I think.) ### update-modules: end processing /etc/modutils/alsa ### update-modules: start processing /etc/modutils/alsa-base above snd-pcm snd-pcm-oss above snd-mixer snd-mixer-oss above snd-seq snd-seq-oss Mark> What's the output of lsmod? I think this might be the problem -- I have emu10k1 instead of snd-emu10k1, although previously when that's been the problem I haven't had anything work at all. In the current setup I don't seem to be able to unload emu10k1 without rebooting, and whenever I reboot, I get it back. I have tried telling hotplug not to load it, but it comes anyway, so maybe it isn't hotplug doing it. Another frustration is that I can't boot any kernel-image that I download (with the corresponding alsa-modules), because the knoppix install formatted the root drive as ext3, and the premade kernel-image's load ext3 as a module, so they can't deal with a root ext3 partition. I've tried several things to work around that, without success, too. -- Laura (mailto:lconrad@laymusic.org , http://www.laymusic.org/ ) (617) 661-8097 fax: (501) 641-5011 233 Broadway, Cambridge, MA 02139

Mark> Don't know exactly about the emu10k1 thing. That may be OSS getting Mark> loaded somehow? All of the Alsa modules start with snd-XXYY. Here's Mark> what mine looks like: Mark> snd 45796 11 Mark> snd_seq_oss,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_usb_audio,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq,snd_seq_device,snd_atiixp,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm,snd_timer Mark> soundcore 7520 1 snd Mark> snd_page_alloc 7816 2 snd_atiixp,snd_pcm Mark> Since you don't have that sort of stuff it says Alsa isn't loaded. Mark> Look at dmesg carefully and see what info it gives you. Here's the only thing I see in dmesg. Creative EMU10K1 PCI Audio Driver, version 0.20, 19:48:16 Apr 17 20 04 PCI: Found IRQ 9 for device 00:0f.0 PCI: Sharing IRQ 9 with 00:04.5 PCI: Sharing IRQ 9 with 00:11.2 emu10k1: EMU10K1 rev 5 model 0x8040 found, IO at 0xc000-0xc01f, IRQ 9 ac97_codec: AC97 codec, id: TRA35 (TriTech TR A5) Mark> Possibly you are not loading the right driver, or possibly Mark> the right driver cannot load because OSS is loaded and has Mark> taken over the hardware. I don't see how this can really be oss, because aplay works. Is it possible that knoppix renamed the alsa driver? Because there isn't a snd-emu10k1 module for the only kernel I can actually run. Mark> Getting rid of OSS is beyond my skillset, although there is some info Mark> on the PlanetCCRMA site. It may apply since you seem to be running a Mark> 2.4 kernel, although it's for Redhat and you're running Debian... I did it for my previous install by removing the modules, but I had the alsa modules for my kernel in that case. I don't want to do it here, since I don't have the ones you load. I don't know why they make this so complicated. I think the next thing I'm going to try is booting 2.6. I tried that when I was struggling with recording, but I know the answer to that one now. -- Laura (mailto:lconrad@laymusic.org , http://www.laymusic.org/ ) (617) 661-8097 fax: (501) 641-5011 233 Broadway, Cambridge, MA 02139

Mark> Does Debian have an extra places to load modules at boot time? Gentoo Mark> has an extra place, /etc/modules.autoload.d/kernel-2.4, where you can Mark> place instructions for this specific kernel, and one for 2.5, and Mark> another for 2.6. Possibly Debian has something extra like this and Mark> that's where the file is gettign loaded? Yes, that turns out to be the case. There are files /etc/modules-2.4.26 and /etc/modules-2.6.6. I have removed emu10k1 from both of these. I tried it before getting your email, and although lsmod looked much more like what I expected, I still had all the same problems. Mark> That's a pretty big change. This is solvable. Let's try and find Mark> what's loadign this driver. We've found that, but we still can't find the regular alsa driver. There aren't any sound drivers loaded at all now, and when I say "modprobe snd-emu10k1", I get: modprobe: Can't locate module snd-emu10k1 So it looks to me like I either have to figure out how to boot a non-knoppix kernel or try the 2.6.6 knoppix kernel again now that it isn't going to load the wrong modules. So I'm now running 2.6.2, having finally figured out how to tell it not to bother with the onboard soundcard or the obsolete emu10k1 driver, and lsmod looks like I expect, and timidity works, and alsamixer and alsactl are doing what I expect with no error messages, and I can start and stop /etc/rc.d/alsa with no errors, but I'm still getting those errors out of pysol and pydance: [me]# pysol Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/share/games/pysol/pysolaudio.py", line 229, in startServer self.audiodev.init() error: unable to open audio: No available audio device PySol: could not connect to pysolsoundserver, sound disabled. [me]# pydance 0 joystick(s) found. Loaded input configuration. Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/games/pydance", line 36, in ? import dance File "/usr/share/games/pydance/pydance.zip/dance.py", line 9, in ? File "/usr/share/games/pydance/pydance.zip/player.py", line 5, in ? File "/usr/share/games/pydance/pydance.zip/arrows.py", line 10, in ? File "/usr/share/games/pydance/pydance.zip/arrows.py", line 17, in AbstractArrow pygame.error: mixer system not initialized You have new mail in /var/spool/mail/lconrad [me]# Does anyone know what these could possibly be complaining about? -- Laura (mailto:lconrad@laymusic.org , http://www.laymusic.org/ ) (617) 661-8097 fax: (501) 641-5011 233 Broadway, Cambridge, MA 02139

Mark> OK - just a second. I'm a bit confused. Even though all the stuff Mark> above it working, do you have sound? Yes. I haven't tried the recording yet, but Timidity plays MIDI files fine. Mark> Also, are you running Debian or Knoppix? (Not that it matters) Knoppix is a variety of Debian. What happened was that the disk my root partition was on got flaky, so I put in a new disk and booted from the Knoppix disk, and ran knoppix-installer. Then I put in the Sid lines in the apt sources.list file and ran apt-get update. I had done this once before at work, and it was quite good at producing a working system from nothing really fast. It is unfortunately less good at producing a system just like the Debian system you had running and doing a lot of complicated things before. But I don't know what is good at doing that. Mark> And as for pysol, I think it's using OSS emulation. Have you enabled Mark> that? It may require a modprobe. snd_pcm_oss possibly? snd_mixer_oss? Mark> snd_oss? Not sure... I have the oss emulation working (on 2.6), but more googling reveals that pysol sound doesn't work yet on 2.6. The error is different from the one I get, but it doesn't look like that problem is worth spending time on. And the pydance problem is probably a pydance packaging bug. I have written the pydance list. Thanks to everyone who helped. I think I now have a kosher 2.6 alsa system. Sometime I should figure out either how to get a stock debian kernel to run on my ext3 partition or how to compile a custom kernel with ext3 compiled in. But now that I have sound basically working, I think those problems can wait. -- Laura (mailto:lconrad@laymusic.org , http://www.laymusic.org/ ) (617) 661-8097 fax: (501) 641-5011 233 Broadway, Cambridge, MA 02139

Mark> I play pysol pretty much daily. I'm using 2.6.9-rc2-mm4-VPS7 with Alsa Mark> 1.0.6 and sound works fine for me. OK, maybe rebuilding or loading stock kernels should be higher priority. I miss the card sounds. Although I have actually had them since the rebuild, and I can't remember what I did to get them. I know they went away again when I started trying to run the mixers so I could record. -- Laura (mailto:lconrad@laymusic.org , http://www.laymusic.org/ ) (617) 661-8097 fax: (501) 641-5011 233 Broadway, Cambridge, MA 02139

Hello, let me expose my problem... I have 7000 samples on a CDROM with uggly names like 3sd455dsd4545.wav etc... each names are unique whan I read some of thoose samples under the real player one on windowsXP I see on some samples a real name. I suspect that there is something like a tag that is written somewhere on the wav files. Anyone know a comand line app under linux that could retrieve thoose tags ? in order for me to sort the samples :) thanks in advance for your precious help ! Regards Philippe

On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 12:14:31 +0000 dubphil(a)free.fr wrote: Try sndfile-info which is part of libsndfile: http://www.mega-nerd.com/libsndfile/ Erik -- +-----------------------------------------------------------+ Erik de Castro Lopo nospam(a)mega-nerd.com (Yes it's valid) +-----------------------------------------------------------+ "Microsoft treats security vulnerabilities as public relations problems." -- Bruce Schneier

dubphil(a)free.fr wrote: If you are also intersted to a web interface that grab sound informations see: http://www.getid3.org/demo/ -- Lazzaro

You could also run strings on said files. On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 14:28:52 +0000, dubphil(a)free.fr <dubphil(a)free.fr> wrote: -- De gustibus non disputandum est.

On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 12:09:53 -0400, Laura Conrad <lconrad(a)laymusic.org> wrote: Not sure. For me it's nothing more than turning up PCM, unmuting the master out and turning it up, and then adjusting sound in pysol itself. NOTE: makign sound changes in pysol crashes pysol on my system, but upon restartign pysol I get the changes I want. I use alsamixer, kmix and kamix. All work for me. I don't use amixer much.

On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 12:24:14 -0400, Laura Conrad <lconrad(a)laymusic.org> wrote: Hey, cool! We conquered it! Send me a Hefewiezen! ;-)

Rainer> Check if you have the "discover" package installed, which also does Rainer> hardware detection and module-loading at boot time. IF so, try adding a Rainer> line "skip emu10k1" to /etc/discover.conf No, it isn't installed. -- Laura (mailto:lconrad@laymusic.org , http://www.laymusic.org/ ) (617) 661-8097 fax: (501) 641-5011 233 Broadway, Cambridge, MA 02139