17 Oct
2009
17 Oct
'09
8:01 p.m.
Message: 10
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:20:38 +0200
From: Dieter Plaetinck <dieter(a)plaetinck.be>
Subject: [LAU] rosegarden midi editor woes
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Hi guys,
I'm using rosegarden 1.7.3 (=latest release)
I think this is the best tool to do midi editing for drums on Linux
(please tell me if I'm wrong), but it does do some weird things which
get on my nerves:
- inability to properly select (groups of) notes: frequently it selects
notes I didn't click, or it selects a group when I just want one
note, etc
I don't see this behaviour with a proper zoom. BTW, a good trick is Shift +
click in the piano roll (say C1):
All the C1 notes will be selected.
- inability to properly insert notes: when i insert 1
1/32 note, and
then want to do one next to it, it removes the one i just insert
(even with quantize set to 1/32)
Again an improper zoom level? Anyway, what editor do you use? The percussion
matrix editor I guess? I like more the matrix editor even for drums. I think
it responds better with low zoom levels.
- copy paste behavior: when pasting, it pastes the
notes at the
beginning of the song (is this pebcak?)
Yes, you can move forwards and backwards the edit cursor with the right and
left arrows.
Notes will be pasted at this point.
- when zooming in/out, the song jumps back to the
beginning, even if
the 'time pointer' is somewhere else.
The zoom focus point is the edit cursor.
i could mention some more things, it only takes me a
couple of minutes
to start hitting time-wasting oddities.
anyone had similar issues? can it be solved? is there something better
then rosegarden?
I love hydrogen to edit drums. You can use 'klick -T -f /path/to/tempomap'
(klick as master jack and reading a tempo map in text mode, check klick) and
choose Jack Transport in hydrogen if you don't want a fixed tempo.
i tried openoctave midi but found it to be even more
buggy then rosegarden (doesn't even render
correctly)
thanks for your help
Dieter
Cheers! Pablo
18 Oct
18 Oct
7:07 p.m.
New subject: rosegarden midi editor woes
On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 00:01:42 +0200
Pablo Fernandez <pablo.fbus(a)gmail.com> wrote:
percussion matrix editor. see below for explanation. i'll try the
matrix editor when i get stuck again.
thanks. this had to be pebcak :)
yeah hydrogen is cool for composing drums, just too bad it doesn't
import midi. And I need that. anyway, i learned about the segment
repeating and the triggered segments in RG which seem like suitable
tools to keep things organized and redundancy-free, so if I can get my
issues with the editor smoothed out, I'm all set.
From: Dieter
Plaetinck <dieter(a)plaetinck.be>
- inability to properly insert notes: when i insert 1 1/32 note, and
then want to do one next to it, it removes the one i just insert
(even with quantize set to 1/32)
Again an improper zoom level? Anyway, what editor do you use? The
percussion matrix editor I guess? I like more the matrix editor even
for drums. I think it responds better with low zoom levels. - copy paste
behavior: when pasting, it pastes the notes at the
beginning of the song (is this pebcak?)
Yes, you can move forwards and backwards the edit cursor with the
right and left arrows.
Notes will be pasted at this point. > - when zooming in/out, the song jumps back to the
beginning, even if
> the 'time pointer' is somewhere else.
>
> The zoom focus point is the edit cursor.
aha!
i could mention some more things, it only takes
me a couple of
minutes to start hitting time-wasting oddities.
anyone had similar issues? can it be solved? is there something
better then rosegarden?
I love hydrogen to edit drums. You can use 'klick -T
-f /path/to/tempomap' (klick as master jack and reading a tempo map
in text mode, check klick) and choose Jack Transport in hydrogen if
you don't want a fixed tempo. i tried openoctave midi but found it to be even more
I have been playing more with rosegarden and going through the
entire manual and I found out:
- i can use an 'edit marker', i was incorrectly relying on playback
marker for paste positioning / "viewport positioning when zooming"
-> hooray
- about incorrect note selections, i found that this is a feature in
rosegarden:
"The Quantize menu also shows you continuously what resolution the
current segment or selection is quantized to. For example, if you
select a set of notes that start on consecutive quarter-note beats,
the Quantize menu will update itself to show 1/4, as this is the
coarsest resolution consistent with the existing quantization of the
current selection."
this works quite counter-intuitive for me. suppose i want to enter 3
32nd notes after each other, of which the first one happens to start
on a 16th note. after adding the first, quantize changes to 1/16 so
when i try to enter the 2nd i accidentally remove the first one
again, no matter how precise i paste it on the correct position.
with this behaviour in mind, the way to do it would be: put the 2nd
note in position (to avoid quantize change), and then the first and
third. this seems weird to me,
unfortunately i couldn't find a way to turn this behaviour off.
- the "hold ctrl while drag to copy" seems also quite useful, no need
to reposition edit marker all the time. yeay.
Thanks for all the replies guys,
Dieter
buggy then rosegarden (doesn't even render
correctly)
> thanks for your help
> Dieter
>
>
> Cheers! Pablo
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