11 Jun
2008
11 Jun
'08
6:56 p.m.
Can someone recommend an audio editor for editing a 90-minute-long WAV file?
I almost always use Rezound for songs (2-10 minutes long, ususallyl), which I like a lot,
but it chokes on big huge files-- too slow, crashes, gets kicked out of the JACK graph,
and generally sucks.
-ken
11 Jun
11 Jun
6:59 p.m.
On 11 June 2008 at 13:56, Ken Restivo <ken(a)restivo.org> wrote:
Can someone recommend an audio editor for editing a
90-minute-long WAV file?
I routinely use Audacity to edit 16-bit stereo WAV files around that
length. I never have any problems with the program.
I almost always use Rezound for songs (2-10 minutes
long,
ususally), which I like a lot, but it chokes on big huge
files-- too slow, crashes, gets kicked out of the JACK graph,
and generally sucks.
JACK? Is that a requirement? I've lost track of the Audacity/JACK
compatibility issue. I have multiple soundcards and run JACK on only
one of them. That leaves me free to edit files with Audacity
accessing another card.
G'luck....
--
Kevin
7:21 p.m.
ken restivo asked:
> Can someone recommend an audio editor for editing
a
> 90-minute-long WAV file?
Kevin Cosgrove wrote:
I routinely use Audacity to edit 16-bit stereo WAV
files around that
length. I never have any problems with the program.
I'd second that. Previously Audacity has been a bit flaky with jack,
but the latest version (1.3.5) seems to work ok. i've not tested heavily
though, just used it for playback to audio out.
best wishes, G.
12 Jun
12 Jun
12:59 a.m.
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 01:59:20PM -0700, Kevin Cosgrove wrote:
On 11 June 2008 at 13:56, Ken Restivo <ken(a)restivo.org> wrote:
Audacity did the trick.
The problem with Rezound is that it tries to convert the whole file into some weird
"pf" format that is its own, and then it appears to try to load the whole thing
into RAM, of which I don't have enough (2GB max on this PC).
Good call on Ardour; I probably would have had the easiest time working with this file in
Ardour. Ardour is sweet. But for just editing one long audio file, it seemed a bit like
overkill. Also, I'd be too tempted to overdub onto it, which is a no-no for a live
recording :-)
-ken
Can someone recommend an audio editor for editing
a
90-minute-long WAV file?
I routinely use Audacity to edit 16-bit stereo WAV files around that
length. I never have any problems with the program.
I almost always use Rezound for songs (2-10
minutes long,
ususally), which I like a lot, but it chokes on big huge
files-- too slow, crashes, gets kicked out of the JACK graph,
and generally sucks.
JACK? Is that a requirement? I've lost track of the Audacity/JACK
compatibility issue. I have multiple soundcards and run JACK on only
one of them. That leaves me free to edit files with Audacity
accessing another card.
5:40 a.m.
Am Donnerstag, 12. Juni 2008 schrieb Ken Restivo:
Good call on Ardour; I probably would have had the
easiest time working
with this file in Ardour. Ardour is sweet. But for just editing one long
audio file, it seemed a bit like overkill. Also, I'd be too tempted to
overdub onto it, which is a no-no for a live recording :-)
There are actually very good reasons to use ardour for post-processing of
live-recordings:
- Its completely non-destructive, even if you slice your 2-hour-file into
10-seconds snippets and rearrange them and delete them one-by-one, you still
don't loose the material. Yes, you should have backups, but who knows...
- Its _very_ easy to apply mastering effects over the whole session. (And
with the jamin-control-plugin you can change settings between songs.)
- And all editing on effects and automation is non-destructive too. That is
very nice compared to clicking "apply effect (silence)", having the computer
work for ten minutes and the realize that a) its the wrong effect and b)
the "create undo" wasn't selected.
- ardour is definitely not trying to load the whole 2-hour file into ram...
Arnold
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3:47 p.m.
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 3:39 AM, Arnold Krille <arnold(a)arnoldarts.de> wrote:
Am Donnerstag, 12. Juni 2008 schrieb Ken Restivo:
Don't forget the CD markers -> TOC export for creating CDs easily with
Ardour. Works great for live CDs where you want to add track
boundaries with no gaps for disk-at-once burning.
jlc
Good call on Ardour; I probably would have had
the easiest time working
with this file in Ardour. Ardour is sweet. But for just editing one long
audio file, it seemed a bit like overkill. Also, I'd be too tempted to
overdub onto it, which is a no-no for a live recording :-)
There are actually very good reasons to use ardour for post-processing of
live-recordings:
- Its completely non-destructive, even if you slice your 2-hour-file into
10-seconds snippets and rearrange them and delete them one-by-one, you still
don't loose the material. Yes, you should have backups, but who knows...
- Its _very_ easy to apply mastering effects over the whole session. (And
with the jamin-control-plugin you can change settings between songs.)
- And all editing on effects and automation is non-destructive too. That is
very nice compared to clicking "apply effect (silence)", having the computer
work for ten minutes and the realize that a) its the wrong effect and b)
the "create undo" wasn't selected.
- ardour is definitely not trying to load the whole 2-hour file into ram... 
6:14 p.m.
On Thursday 12 June 2008 13:47:32 Jesse Chappell wrote:
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 3:39 AM, Arnold Krille
<arnold(a)arnoldarts.de> wrote:
Yes, and I use this for making CDs from practices and gigs all the time,
but...
There are minow issues if your gig is longer than a single CD. I have filed
something about this here:
http://ardour.org/node/1832
but so far no comment or response.
I posted my current workaround here:
http://ardour.org/node/1833
If I am being dense here and someone knows of a proper way that ardour can
handle this now, I am all ears.
Am Donnerstag, 12. Juni 2008 schrieb Ken
Restivo:
Don't forget the CD markers -> TOC export for creating CDs easily with
Ardour. Works great for live CDs where you want to add track
boundaries with no gaps for disk-at-once burning. Good call on Ardour; I probably would have had
the easiest time working
with this file in Ardour. Ardour is sweet. But for just editing one long
audio file, it seemed a bit like overkill. Also, I'd be too tempted to
overdub onto it, which is a no-no for a live recording :-)
There are actually very good reasons to use ardour for post-processing of
live-recordings:
- Its completely non-destructive, even if you slice your 2-hour-file
into 10-seconds snippets and rearrange them and delete them one-by-one,
you still don't loose the material. Yes, you should have backups, but who
knows... - Its _very_ easy to apply mastering effects over the whole
session. (And with the jamin-control-plugin you can change settings
between songs.) - And all editing on effects and automation is
non-destructive too. That is very nice compared to clicking "apply effect
(silence)", having the computer work for ten minutes and the realize that
a) its the wrong effect and b) the "create undo" wasn't selected.
- ardour is definitely not trying to load the whole 2-hour file into
ram...
jlc
all the best,
drew
7:20 p.m.
drew Roberts wrote:
On Thursday 12 June 2008 13:47:32 Jesse Chappell
wrote:
that is of course a way
to go, but i find it really problematically to
find a cd writer model which is able to write the text with cdrdao.
there is some documentation in the cdrdao package and on their web page,
but it is really not up-to-date, and the writers listed there are not
available to buy anymore.
i am still looking for any recomandation, so if anyone knows - please!
cheers,
doc
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 3:39 AM, Arnold Krille
<arnold(a)arnoldarts.de> wrote:
Am Donnerstag, 12. Juni 2008 schrieb Ken
Restivo:
Don't forget the CD markers -> TOC export for creating CDs easily
with
Ardour. Works great for live CDs where you want to add track
boundaries with no gaps for disk-at-once burning. Good call on Ardour; I probably would have had
the easiest time working
with this file in Ardour. Ardour is sweet. But for just editing one long
audio file, it seemed a bit like overkill. Also, I'd be too tempted to
overdub onto it, which is a no-no for a live recording :-)
There are actually very good reasons to use ardour for post-processing
of
live-recordings:
- Its completely non-destructive, even if you slice your 2-hour-file
into 10-seconds snippets and rearrange them and delete them one-by-one,
you still don't loose the material. Yes, you should have backups, but who
knows... - Its _very_ easy to apply mastering effects over the whole
session. (And with the jamin-control-plugin you can change settings
between songs.) - And all editing on effects and automation is
non-destructive too. That is very nice compared to clicking "apply effect
(silence)", having the computer work for ten minutes and the realize that
a) its the wrong effect and b) the "create undo" wasn't selected.
- ardour is definitely not trying to load the whole 2-hour file into
ram...
7:10 p.m.
Bob Andres wrote:
Jesse Chappell wrote:
you might not want to rerecord into ardour, but to use an prefeder
insert, which is connected to jamin and just export the session.
cheers,
doc
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 3:39 AM, Arnold Krille
<arnold(a)arnoldarts.de> wrote:
I like the idea of using Ardour and jamin to master a live recording,
but it has to be done in real time, correct? Forgive me if this is an
obvious question (I've just started to learn about Ardour and Jack, I
didn't know about the CD markers thing), but say I have a two hour
live concert recording. I run it through jamin and then back to
re-record in Ardour. Since it is going to take two hours in real
time, I'd like to start it and let it run overnight --- how do i get
it to stop, and just keep running all night? or is there an easier
or better way to do this? Most tutorials I can find are old or
incomplete.
-Bob Am Donnerstag, 12. Juni 2008 schrieb Ken
Restivo:
Don't forget the CD markers -> TOC export for creating CDs easily with
Ardour. Works great for live CDs where you want to add track
boundaries with no gaps for disk-at-once burning.
jlc
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Good call on Ardour; I probably would have had
the easiest time working
with this file in Ardour. Ardour is sweet. But for just editing one long
audio file, it seemed a bit like overkill. Also, I'd be too tempted to
overdub onto it, which is a no-no for a live recording :-)
There are actually very good reasons to use ardour for post-processing of
live-recordings:
- Its completely non-destructive, even if you slice your 2-hour-file into
10-seconds snippets and rearrange them and delete them one-by-one, you still
don't loose the material. Yes, you should have backups, but who knows...
- Its _very_ easy to apply mastering effects over the whole session. (And
with the jamin-control-plugin you can change settings between songs.)
- And all editing on effects and automation is non-destructive too. That is
very nice compared to clicking "apply effect (silence)", having the computer
work for ten minutes and the realize that a) its the wrong effect and b)
the "create undo" wasn't selected.
- ardour is definitely not trying to load the whole 2-hour file into ram...
8:30 p.m.
Dragan Noveski wrote:
Bob Andres wrote:
Thanks --- I have now figured out how to do that. This is exactly what
I wanted to do. It takes awhile to figure out all these "ins and
outs" (litterally)
-Bob
Jesse Chappell wrote:
you might not want to rerecord into ardour, but to use an prefeder
insert, which is connected to jamin and just export the session.
cheers,
doc
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 3:39 AM, Arnold Krille
<arnold(a)arnoldarts.de> wrote:
I like the idea of using Ardour and jamin to master a live recording,
but it has to be done in real time, correct? Forgive me if this is
an obvious question (I've just started to learn about Ardour and
Jack, I didn't know about the CD markers thing), but say I have a
two hour live concert recording. I run it through jamin and then
back to re-record in Ardour. Since it is going to take two hours in
real time, I'd like to start it and let it run overnight --- how do i
get it to stop, and just keep running all night? or is there an
easier or better way to do this? Most tutorials I can find are old
or incomplete.
-Bob Am Donnerstag, 12. Juni 2008 schrieb Ken
Restivo:
> Good call on Ardour; I probably would have had the easiest time
> working
> with this file in Ardour. Ardour is sweet. But for just editing
> one long
> audio file, it seemed a bit like overkill. Also, I'd be too
> tempted to
> overdub onto it, which is a no-no for a live recording :-)
>
There are actually very good reasons to use ardour for
post-processing of
live-recordings:
- Its completely non-destructive, even if you slice your
2-hour-file into
10-seconds snippets and rearrange them and delete them one-by-one,
you still
don't loose the material. Yes, you should have backups, but who
knows...
- Its _very_ easy to apply mastering effects over the whole
session. (And
with the jamin-control-plugin you can change settings between songs.)
- And all editing on effects and automation is non-destructive
too. That is
very nice compared to clicking "apply effect (silence)", having the
computer
work for ten minutes and the realize that a) its the wrong effect
and b)
the "create undo" wasn't selected.
- ardour is definitely not trying to load the whole 2-hour file
into ram...
Don't forget the CD markers -> TOC export for creating CDs easily with
Ardour. Works great for live CDs where you want to add track
boundaries with no gaps for disk-at-once burning.
jlc
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13 Jun
13 Jun
7:28 p.m.
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 01:47:32PM -0400, Jesse Chappell wrote:
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 3:39 AM, Arnold Krille
<arnold(a)arnoldarts.de> wrote:
That's it. Next time I will use Ardour.
It would be very nice to split a 90-minute liveset up into multiple, song-length
WAV's, but it was too much hassle to do that in Audacity. I suspect it'd be very
easy to do in Ardour.
I ended up using Audacity, and ended up with two huge files:
http://www.archive.org/details/AudioBrailleLive-2008-05-12
In FLAC format for your high-fidelity enjoyment.
-ken
Am Donnerstag, 12. Juni 2008 schrieb Ken
Restivo:
Don't forget the CD markers -> TOC export for creating CDs easily with
Ardour. Works great for live CDs where you want to add track
boundaries with no gaps for disk-at-once burning.
Good call on Ardour; I probably would have had
the easiest time working
with this file in Ardour. Ardour is sweet. But for just editing one long
audio file, it seemed a bit like overkill. Also, I'd be too tempted to
overdub onto it, which is a no-no for a live recording :-)
There are actually very good reasons to use ardour for post-processing of
live-recordings:
- Its completely non-destructive, even if you slice your 2-hour-file into
10-seconds snippets and rearrange them and delete them one-by-one, you still
don't loose the material. Yes, you should have backups, but who knows...
- Its _very_ easy to apply mastering effects over the whole session. (And
with the jamin-control-plugin you can change settings between songs.)
- And all editing on effects and automation is non-destructive too. That is
very nice compared to clicking "apply effect (silence)", having the computer
work for ten minutes and the realize that a) its the wrong effect and b)
the "create undo" wasn't selected.
- ardour is definitely not trying to load the whole 2-hour file into ram...
14 Jun
14 Jun
10:22 a.m.
On Friday 13 June 2008 17:29:47 Ken Restivo wrote:
That's it. Next time I will use Ardour.
It would be very nice to split a 90-minute liveset up into multiple,
song-length WAV's, but it was too much hassle to do that in Audacity. I
suspect it'd be very easy to do in Ardour.
It is extremely easy to do in ardour for a final of 1 CD or less and not bad
for more than one CD either. I am finally getting better at this. I wish I
had persued these skills a few years ago. Life would have been easier.
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 01:47:32PM -0400, Jesse
Chappell wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 3:39 AM, Arnold Krille <arnold(a)arnoldarts.de>
wrote:
Am Donnerstag, 12. Juni 2008 schrieb Ken Restivo:
Don't forget the CD markers -> TOC export for creating CDs easily with
Ardour. Works great for live CDs where you want to add track
boundaries with no gaps for disk-at-once burning. Good call on Ardour; I probably would have had
the easiest time
working with this file in Ardour. Ardour is sweet. But for just
editing one long audio file, it seemed a bit like overkill. Also, I'd
be too tempted to overdub onto it, which is a no-no for a live
recording :-)
There are actually very good reasons to use ardour for post-processing
of live-recordings:
- Its completely non-destructive, even if you slice your 2-hour-file
into 10-seconds snippets and rearrange them and delete them one-by-one,
you still don't loose the material. Yes, you should have backups, but
who knows... - Its _very_ easy to apply mastering effects over the
whole session. (And with the jamin-control-plugin you can change
settings between songs.) - And all editing on effects and automation is
non-destructive too. That is very nice compared to clicking "apply
effect (silence)", having the computer work for ten minutes and the
realize that a) its the wrong effect and b) the "create undo" wasn't
selected.
- ardour is definitely not trying to load the whole 2-hour file into
ram...
I ended up using Audacity, and ended up with two huge files:
http://www.archive.org/details/AudioBrailleLive-2008-05-12
In FLAC format for your high-fidelity enjoyment.
-ken
all the best,
drew
11 Jun
11 Jun
7:58 p.m.
On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 13:56:17 -0700
Ken Restivo <ken(a)restivo.org> wrote:
Can someone recommend an audio editor for editing a
90-minute-long WAV file?
mhwaveedit ?
http://gna.org/projects/mhwaveedit/
or
http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php/mhWaveEdit
cheers,
pete.
8:05 p.m.
On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 22:57:38 +0100
lynne shorthose <zenadsl6252(a)zen.co.uk> wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 13:56:17 -0700
Ken Restivo <ken(a)restivo.org> wrote:
oops, wrong account.
sweep is worth a look too of course:
http://www.metadecks.org/software/sweep/
but it also loads entire files into memory and doesn't
support jack (yet). if you are short on
memory you'll likely see similar problems :(
cheers,
pete.
Can someone recommend an audio editor for editing
a 90-minute-long WAV file?
mhwaveedit ?
http://gna.org/projects/mhwaveedit/
or
http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php/mhWaveEdit 
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