14 Jul
2011
14 Jul
'11
1:14 p.m.
Any SC experts out there ?
I'm trying to install SuperCollider (from the AUR package) and get
the following rather uniformative error:
fons@c252:~> sclang
init_OSC
compiling class library..
NumPrimitives = 532
pass 1 done
ERROR: There is a discrepancy.
numClassDeps 0 gNumClasses 80
That's without any ~/.sclang.cfg or ~/.sclang.sc.
Strange thing is I did exactly the same yesterday evening on another
system, using the same package, and everything works fine there.
Anyt help appreciated !
--
FA
14 Jul
14 Jul
5:44 p.m.
On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 11:14:56 +0000
Fons Adriaensen <fons(a)linuxaudio.org> wrote:
Any SC experts out there ?
not me :) I remember once getting that exact same error, but can't
find the mails where I solved it... I have a feeling it has something
to do with things in ~/share/SuperCollider, but can't really remember...
However, I suggest you ask on the [high traffic] sc-users mailing list -
you usually get replies in minutes.
cheers
renato
15 Jul
15 Jul
12:13 a.m.
On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 11:14:56AM +0000, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
Any SC experts out there ?
I'm trying to install SuperCollider (from the AUR package) and get
the following rather uniformative error:
fons@c252:~> sclang
init_OSC
compiling class library..
NumPrimitives = 532
pass 1 done
ERROR: There is a discrepancy.
numClassDeps 0 gNumClasses 80
That's without any ~/.sclang.cfg or ~/.sclang.sc.
Strange thing is I did exactly the same yesterday evening on another
system, using the same package, and everything works fine there.
Any help appreciated !
I'm no expert by any means, but I do recall trying SC some years ago and finding out
it didn't support 64-bit systems.
Is the system it works on a 32-bit and the one it doesn't work on a 64-bit, by any
chance?
-ken
12:33 a.m.
On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 03:13:01PM -0700, Ken Restivo wrote:
I'm no expert by any means, but I do recall trying
SC
some years ago and finding out it didn't support 64-bit
systems.
Is the system it works on a 32-bit and the one it doesn't
work on a 64-bit, by any chance?
No. But it seems that having an empty ~/.sclang.cfg (or one
with everything commented out) isn't the same as having none
at all, and is enough to make things fail. As does disabling
the 'optional' Crucial and Jitlib packages. And SwingOSC (the
jre based GUI extension) fails as well.
There are lots of other very weird things, but so far I
managed to make it work more or less.
Ciao,
--
FA
4:20 a.m.
Hi Fons.
It would probably be a good idea to take your troubles over to the
sc-users list. I bet they can help you sort it out.
sc-users mailing list
info (subscription, etc.):
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Best,
Renick
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4:11 p.m.
On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 03:13:01PM -0700, Ken Restivo wrote:
On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 11:14:56AM +0000, Fons
Adriaensen wrote:
For the record, SC works fine here on my 64-bit Debian Testing platform,
compiled from source. Unfortunately, I never got the error Fons
described, so can't help further. I remember building SC was a bit of a
hit and miss experience, though.
Cheers,
S.M.
Any SC experts out there ?
I'm trying to install SuperCollider (from the AUR package) and get
the following rather uniformative error:
fons@c252:~> sclang
init_OSC
compiling class library..
NumPrimitives = 532
pass 1 done
ERROR: There is a discrepancy.
numClassDeps 0 gNumClasses 80
That's without any ~/.sclang.cfg or ~/.sclang.sc.
Strange thing is I did exactly the same yesterday evening on another
system, using the same package, and everything works fine there.
Any help appreciated !
I'm no expert by any means, but I do recall trying SC some years ago and finding out
it didn't support 64-bit systems.
Is the system it works on a 32-bit and the one it doesn't work on a 64-bit, by any
chance? 
4:14 p.m.
2011/7/14 Ken Restivo <ken(a)restivo.org>rg>:
I'm no expert by any means, but I do recall trying
SC some years ago and finding out it didn't support 64-bit systems.
Is the system it works on a 32-bit and the one it doesn't work on a 64-bit, by any
chance?
Please, do not spread misinformation...
SuperCollider supports 64-bit, both the language (sclang) and
synthesis server (scsynth and supernova).
16 Jul
16 Jul
midnight
On 07/15/2011 04:14 PM, Bernardo Barros wrote:
2011/7/14 Ken Restivo<ken(a)restivo.org>rg>:
But for a _very_ long time it didn't and it had to do IIRC with assuming
sizeof(int) == sizeof(void*), as it used to store pointers in int arrays
or something similar.. But indeed, it also has been fixed for _quite_ a
long time now (a year or two) :D
I do remember the pain of having to setup a 32 bit chroot system to do
some supercolliding and also kind of lost track of SC for it was always
a hassle. I'm glad it works so well now :D
Flo
I'm no expert by any means, but I do recall
trying SC some years ago and finding out it didn't support 64-bit systems.
Is the system it works on a 32-bit and the one it doesn't work on a 64-bit, by any
chance?
Please, do not spread misinformation...
SuperCollider supports 64-bit, both the language (sclang) and
synthesis server (scsynth and supernova). _______________________________________________
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15 Jul
15 Jul
1:50 p.m.
Fons Adriaensen wrote:
Any SC experts out there ?
I'm trying to install SuperCollider (from the AUR package) and get
the following rather uniformative error:
fons@c252:~> sclang
init_OSC
compiling class library..
NumPrimitives = 532
pass 1 done
ERROR: There is a discrepancy.
numClassDeps 0 gNumClasses 80
That's without any ~/.sclang.cfg or ~/.sclang.sc.
Strange thing is I did exactly the same yesterday evening on another
system, using the same package, and everything works fine there.
Anyt help appreciated !
Hi Fons,
I'm no expert, but I have been busy writing a lengthy article about the
latest Git version of SC3. I've run into that discrepancy problem when I
had installed Quarks or plugins that conflicted with something already
installed with the system. A directory is set up for the Quarks that is
in fact simply a directory of links to the actual packages. You can
remove or hide the links directory and restart the interpreter, that
should clear up the discrepancy (if it's caused by a quark - I'm not
sure what to do if a plugin is causing the trouble).
Your ~/.sclang.cfg is typically used to point to the server location,
set up JACK I/O ports, and set the path to the SwingOSC jarfile (if
wanted). I assume you started the server, then ran sclang ? Have you
tried setting up emacs or vi/vim for use with SC ? It's really the
better way of working with sclang.
Btw, what version are you testing ? I've been working only with the
unreleased 3.5, I don't know if my advice conflicts with the 3.4 series.
Let me know if I can help in any other way. These days I'm getting into
SC pretty heavily, it's a neat system.
Best,
dp
3:01 p.m.
Hi Dave,
I'm no expert, but I have been busy writing a
lengthy article about the
latest Git version of SC3. I've run into that discrepancy problem when I
had installed Quarks or plugins that conflicted with something already
installed with the system. A directory is set up for the Quarks that is
in fact simply a directory of links to the actual packages. You can
remove or hide the links directory and restart the interpreter, that
should clear up the discrepancy (if it's caused by a quark - I'm not
sure what to do if a plugin is causing the trouble).
Where would that directory be ?
Your ~/.sclang.cfg is typically used to point to the
server location,
set up JACK I/O ports, and set the path to the SwingOSC jarfile (if
wanted).
That would be ~/.sclang.sc, not .cfg. The .cfg one is meant to select
libraries etc. The example one supplied contains lines to uncomment if
you don't need Crucial or JitLib. Which I did. When this failed, I
commented out everything, same result. Then I removed the file, and
things started to work. So it seems it's now impossible not to load
Crucial and/or JitLib.
I assume you started the server, then ran sclang ?
Have you
tried setting up emacs or vi/vim for use with SC ? It's really the
better way of working with sclang.
Yes, normally I use scel. I just started sclang in a terminal to
exclude anything scel being the cause of failure.
Btw, what version are you testing ? I've been
working only with the
unreleased 3.5, I don't know if my advice conflicts with the 3.4 series.
3.4.3 here.
Let me know if I can help in any other way. These days
I'm getting into
SC pretty heavily, it's a neat system.
Yes if you can get used to the weird language (too many ways to do
the same things), and the MAC-style documentation (many 'quick result'
examples using 'convenience' notation, but every often the basic
technical' info is missing).
Also tried SwingOSC (with the necessary stuff in ~/.sclang.sc) but it
failed as well, with lots of messages about methods not being found.
Which means that even more of the help files are useless as they use
plot and scope all the time.
Ciao,
--
FA
8:01 p.m.
On Fri, 15 Jul 2011 13:01:31 +0000
Fons Adriaensen <fons(a)linuxaudio.org> wrote:
I second that... I'm by no means an expert of programming languages,
but sclang/sc really seems inconsistent and sort of messed up. I mean,
it is *good* because you can easily do many non trivial things, but it
could be much better organized IMHO
renato
Let me know if
I can help in any other way. These days I'm getting
into SC pretty heavily, it's a neat system.
Yes if you can get used to the weird language (too many ways to do
the same things), and the MAC-style documentation (many 'quick result'
examples using 'convenience' notation, but every often the basic
technical' info is missing).
8:25 p.m.
2011/7/15 Renato <rennabh(a)gmail.com>om>:
I second that... I'm by no means an expert of
programming languages,
but sclang/sc really seems inconsistent and sort of messed up. I mean,
it is *good* because you can easily do many non trivial things, but it
could be much better organized IMHO
Some criticisms are related to the possibilities of using different
syntax for the same job, unlike Python where one job has one syntax.
etc.. This a valid criticism and was discussed a while ago in the
sc-dev. But you can't really changes this kind of stuff without
breaking old code, what you can do is to define a recommended style to
people to follow.
If you really hate sclang you can still use SuperCollider (scsynth)
from Haskell (hsc3) or Scala (scalacollider), two modern and very
successful languages.
9:50 p.m.
On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 03:25:37PM -0300, Bernardo Barros wrote:
2011/7/15 Renato <rennabh(a)gmail.com>om>:
Neither of them I find attractive. I don't like Java and functional
languages don't like me. PyCollider would be nice...
Ciao,
--
FA
I second that... I'm by no means an expert of
programming languages,
but sclang/sc really seems inconsistent and sort of messed up. I mean,
it is *good* because you can easily do many non trivial things, but it
could be much better organized IMHO
Some criticisms are related to the possibilities of using different
syntax for the same job, unlike Python where one job has one syntax.
etc.. This a valid criticism and was discussed a while ago in the
sc-dev. But you can't really changes this kind of stuff without
breaking old code, what you can do is to define a recommended style to
people to follow.
If you really hate sclang you can still use SuperCollider (scsynth)
from Haskell (hsc3) or Scala (scalacollider), two modern and very
successful languages.
11 p.m.
2011/7/15 Fons Adriaensen <fons(a)linuxaudio.org>rg>:
Neither of them I find attractive. I don't like
Java and functional
languages don't like me. PyCollider would be nice...
=)
Actually there is one for Python too, but it's not fully functional.
There is an interesting paper about this:
http://cmr.soc.plymouth.ac.uk/publications/Rutz_SuperCollider2010.pdf
11:55 p.m.
On Fri, 15 Jul 2011 15:25:37 -0300
Bernardo Barros <bernardobarros2(a)gmail.com> wrote:
2011/7/15 Renato <rennabh(a)gmail.com>om>:
thanks for the suggestion, I might look into that in the near future...
has someone ever thought of python bindings?
anyways, I don't hate sclang, I just remember that achieving some
things with it has required more frustration than with other
languages - but I also have to say that I've been using it mostly for
managing HID devices and midi, something that it can do but certainly
isn't its main focus. Probably if I'd use it for audio synthesis I'd
have a different idea.
cheers
renato
I second that... I'm by no means an expert of
programming languages,
but sclang/sc really seems inconsistent and sort of messed up. I
mean, it is *good* because you can easily do many non trivial
things, but it could be much better organized IMHO
Some criticisms are related to the possibilities of using different
syntax for the same job, unlike Python where one job has one syntax.
etc.. This a valid criticism and was discussed a while ago in the
sc-dev. But you can't really changes this kind of stuff without
breaking old code, what you can do is to define a recommended style to
people to follow.
If you really hate sclang you can still use SuperCollider (scsynth)
from Haskell (hsc3) or Scala (scalacollider), two modern and very
successful languages.
16 Jul
16 Jul
12:10 a.m.
On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 03:25:37PM -0300, Bernardo Barros wrote:
If you really hate sclang you can still use
SuperCollider (scsynth)
from Haskell (hsc3) or Scala (scalacollider), two modern and very
successful languages.
I surely don't hate it, it just gets on my nerves more than
some others. And the help pages are really lacking basic info.
Simple example:
Help LFNoise1
Generates linearly interpolated random values at a rate.
freq - approximate rate at which to generate random values.
OK. But:
- What is the range of the random values (for mul: 1, add: 0) ?
- How are they distributed ?
It's not really a big effort to include that info. Of course
I can write to some code to find out. But having to do that
almost every time I try to find out something gets tedious.
Ciao,
--
FA
15 Jul
15 Jul
4:19 p.m.
2011/7/15 Dave Phillips <dlphillips(a)woh.rr.com>om>:
Btw, what version are you testing ? I've been
working only with the
unreleased 3.5, I don't know if my advice conflicts with the 3.4 series.
Since he is using Arch, he can easily try the pre-release 3.5 too.
Check archaudio/experimental (the buildscripts), or use the AUR:
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=48934
7:35 p.m.
On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 11:19:56AM -0300, Bernardo Barros wrote:
2011/7/15 Dave Phillips
<dlphillips(a)woh.rr.com>om>:
Any way to have them both installed (apart from switching between
them with pacman -U) ?
Ciao,
--
FA
Btw, what version are you testing ? I've been
working only with the
unreleased 3.5, I don't know if my advice conflicts with the 3.4 series.
Since he is using Arch, he can easily try the pre-release 3.5 too.
Check archaudio/experimental (the buildscripts), or use the AUR:
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=48934
16 Jul
16 Jul
8:31 p.m.
On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 07:50:02AM -0400, Dave Phillips wrote:
Let me know if I can help in any other way. These days
I'm getting into
SC pretty heavily, it's a neat system.
Well, I need a SynthDef producing a sound similar to breaking
glass, but with a definite pitch so you can make chords with
it. Any ideas ? :-)
Ciao,
--
FA
11:29 p.m.
On Sat, 16 Jul 2011 18:31:33 +0000
Fons Adriaensen <fons(a)linuxaudio.org> wrote:
Well, I need a SynthDef producing a sound similar to
breaking
glass, but with a definite pitch so you can make chords with
it. Any ideas ? :-)
oh, I hate to insist, but this question would probably generate a flock
of code snippets on the sc-users list :) really, if you're using sc,
you should join the list, they're a great community
I'll shut up now
cheers
renato
12:30 a.m.
On 07/14/2011 01:14 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
Any SC experts out there ?
I'm trying to install SuperCollider (from the AUR package) and get
the following rather uniformative error:
fons@c252:~> sclang
init_OSC
compiling class library..
NumPrimitives = 532
pass 1 done
ERROR: There is a discrepancy.
numClassDeps 0 gNumClasses 80
That's without any ~/.sclang.cfg or ~/.sclang.sc.
Strange thing is I did exactly the same yesterday evening on another
system, using the same package, and everything works fine there.
Anyt help appreciated !
Hi,
there might be a system wide sclang.cfg or sclang.sc somewhere..
Flo
11:03 a.m.
On 07/16/2011 12:30 AM, Florian Paul Schmidt wrote:
On 07/14/2011 01:14 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
Or some other kind of leftover from an old install..
Flo
Any SC experts out there ?
I'm trying to install SuperCollider (from the AUR package) and get
the following rather uniformative error:
fons@c252:~> sclang
init_OSC
compiling class library..
NumPrimitives = 532
pass 1 done
ERROR: There is a discrepancy.
numClassDeps 0 gNumClasses 80
That's without any ~/.sclang.cfg or ~/.sclang.sc.
Strange thing is I did exactly the same yesterday evening on another
system, using the same package, and everything works fine there.
Anyt help appreciated !
Hi,
there might be a system wide sclang.cfg or sclang.sc somewhere..
Flo
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8:16 p.m.
Maybe sclang is reading from system wide places like root/ and
/usr/share/SuperColllider
Check those too.
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