On Sun, 18 Aug 2019, david wrote: The price is: "super affordable", for who? Something with real numbers would be nice. I think the case is one of the less expesive parts. When one can get the normal 25key + 8 drum pads, 4 encoders, 4 faders and some control buttons for $80 Canadian ($60US?) I wonder how these guys could make money, even with a cardboard case. Not set up for drums, but another cheap controller... you probably have one sitting in front of your computer already: http://www.ovenwerks.net/hardware/3dollarcontrolsurface.html I've set it up as a mackie control type controller, but lots of people use them as a piano/synth kb and it could be used to do drums too. No encoders though. But any two keys can be used as an encoder or other CC/pitchwheel control. For a more compact controller, there are numerical keypads for laptops that work too. -- Len Ovens www.ovenwerks.net