20 Jun
2005
20 Jun
'05
1:06 p.m.
Ok
1. I think we can use nicer language and manners on these lists. Yes, some
parts of Linux audio have not YET made it to those of the other two "big
players" but it is coming along.
2. OK, my peave: No support for a perfectly good Dman2044 card. Not the
neweest, most advanced, highest bit-count and sampling speed, but ... and it
has a nice chunky breakout box. I would roll my own (parden the drug oriented
term--still nicer than profanity) if I could make heads or tails out of the
two source modules that need be combined to support this card. The approach
is entirely different.
3. Peave-2: WINE. It seems fewer and fewer legacy apps and even simpler games
run successfully. Fouls up on fonts! Thunks--run as w2k will fix that.
4. There is really no incentive to bring apps we know and love over to Linux.
These applications are for-profit sales of licenses to a limited niche-market
of Windows and Mac users. There is strength and potential profit it numbers.
Even ones which can be probably be done readily such as Tracktion will most
likely not be. One exception may be Harbal (mastering re-equalizer--his demo
runs 100% under wine and he says he will port--nice NOT to be based on
Microsoft's framework!)
20 Jun
20 Jun
3:22 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: What parts of Linux audio [need improvement]
1. In the past sound server contention (artsd with other stuff) has
been a real pain. I'm not sure what changed (I went from Mandrake
9.0 to Mandrake 10.1) but I don't see as many problems. Maybe it's
the apps that I use most now (rosegarden, ardour, xmms, audacity)
just don't need servers that contend?
2. Audacity is my editor of choice, but it's not happy with JACK.
3. Some really great programs, e.g. snd & pd, are really hard to
learn.
4. Some really great programs, e.g. Jazz++, are orphaned by
developers.
4. Some really great programs, e.g. Jazz++, depend on libraries and
toolkits which march forward without regard to supporting legacy
programs. I steer clear of any WxWin (what do they call it now?)
applications because of this.
5. Easy integration into distributions isn't mature yet. Mandrake
has been improving a lot in this area with each version. In fact I
usual choose to upgrade when they support something new in the sound
area. It's great to have things like CCRMA, and previously Thac, but
distributions should really get on board here.
6. Successes with Linux audio haven't been publicized to the point
where people outside the Linux world pay attention.
7. Acceptance of great formats, e.g. flac & ogg, needs to happen in
everywhere so that I can download audio files in those formats. For
instance, in the USA archived audio of public broadcasting programs
should be done with an open format. I'm thinking of allowing my
bands' songs to be downloaded for free in ogg, but for a fee in mp3.
8. Vendor, e.g. soundcard makers, support of Linux is not universal.
Many vendors are moving to firewire, and Linux doesn't yet support
that via open or closed drivers that I'm aware of.
I might think of more later. Cheers....
--
Kevin
8:22 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: What parts of Linux audio [need improvement]
2. Audacity is my editor of choice, but it's not
happy
with JACK.
it uses portaudio, a cross platform portability layer / audio
abstraction layer.
[...]
5. Easy integration into distributions isn't
mature yet.
Mandrake has been improving a lot in this area with each
version. In fact I usual choose to upgrade when they
support something new in the sound area. It's great to
have things like CCRMA, and previously Thac, but
distributions should really get on board here.
Aren't there any Thac packages anymore for Mandrive? If so,
when did Thac drop the support for Mandriva? It's important,
because I planned to mention the Thac packages in my talk on
Thursday.
[...]
8. Vendor, e.g. soundcard makers, support of Linux is
not
universal. Many vendors are moving to firewire, and Linux
doesn't yet support that via open or closed drivers that
I'm aware of.
true, but there's hope:
http://freebob.sf.net
Best regards
ce
9:34 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: What parts of Linux audio [need improvement]
On Tue, 2005-06-21 at 00:22 +0200, Christoph Eckert wrote:
Your Audacity/portaudio are too old then, it most certainly does work
with JACK.
Lee
2. Audacity
is my editor of choice, but it's not happy
with JACK.
it uses portaudio, a cross platform portability layer / audio
abstraction layer. 
11:18 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: What parts of Linux audio [need improvement]
On Mon, 2005-06-20 at 16:38, Lee Revell wrote:
On Tue, 2005-06-21 at 00:22 +0200, Christoph Eckert
wrote:
Your Audacity/portaudio are too old then, it most certainly does work
with JACK.
Last time I tried the behavior was not really acceptable (from my point
of view). Audacity would connect to the jack server when starting
playback and disconnect when done. Has this changed?
-- Fernando
2.
Audacity is my editor of choice, but it's not happy
with JACK.
it uses portaudio, a cross platform portability layer / audio
abstraction layer.
23 Jun
23 Jun
5:35 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: What parts of Linux audio [need improvement]
On 20 June 2005 at 19:38, Lee Revell <rlrevell(a)joe-job.com> wrote:
On Tue, 2005-06-21 at 00:22 +0200, Christoph Eckert
wrote:
Your Audacity/portaudio are too old then, it most certainly does work
with JACK.
This is what's installed on my Mandrake 10.1 system:
audacity-1.2.2-2mdk
libportaudio0-devel-18.1-1mdk
libportaudio0-18.1-1mdk
I'm pretty sure I don't need the devel package just to run stuff.
Is what I've got new enough to allow Audacity to run while I've got
jackd running?
Thanks....
--
Kevin
2.
Audacity is my editor of choice, but it's not happy
with JACK.
it uses portaudio, a cross platform portability layer / audio
abstraction layer.
5:33 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: What parts of Linux audio [need improvement]
On 21 June 2005 at 0:22, Christoph Eckert <mchristoph.eckert(a)t-online.de> wrote:
Is there a way to get PortAudio to interoperate with JACK?
2. Audacity
is my editor of choice, but it's not happy
with JACK.
it uses portaudio, a cross platform portability layer / audio
abstraction layer. Aren't there any Thac packages anymore for
Mandrive? If so,
when did Thac drop the support for Mandriva? It's important,
because I planned to mention the Thac packages in my talk on
Thursday.
I heard on alt.os.linux.mandrake that Thac is done packaging stuff
for Mandrake/Mandriva. I didn't see the original posting, nor do I
know the whole story, or even much of the story. All I know is that
I really appreciate the work he did. It made my life easier by a
bunch.
--
Kevin
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