14 Sep
2002
14 Sep
'02
10:53 p.m.
Mark,
I also use an Audiophile 2496. That's 4 in - 4 out
for about
$150-$175. Two analog and two s/pdif.
I could live with that. I do want S/PDIF for interfacing with my
external decoder, the SB on my Windows machine, and my MiniDisc
machine. Old-fashioned analog would be nice because I could connect
directly to my old-fashioned analog mixer.
But I don't see any Linux drivers for the 2496.
If I could get away with AMD, I probably would. Otherwise, I'd
consider plunking for a 1.8 GHz Celeron. Since my two main Windows
computers are running ASUS boards, I certainly have nothing against
ASUS. I just want to head off as many incompatibilities as I can up
front.
Thanks!
Scott
14 Sep
14 Sep
11:04 p.m.
Mark,
i think I'm right in saying that alsa ( http://alsa-project.org ) supports the
Audiophile 2496 - the list of supported cards is here:
http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/
regards, Jordan.
I also use an Audiophile 2496. That's 4 in -
4 out for about
$150-$175. Two analog and two s/pdif.
I could live with that. I do want S/PDIF for interfacing with my
external decoder, the SB on my Windows machine, and my MiniDisc
machine. Old-fashioned analog would be nice because I could connect
directly to my old-fashioned analog mixer.
But I don't see any Linux drivers for the 2496.
15 Sep
15 Sep
7:51 a.m.
On Sat, Sep 14, 2002 at 07:53:33 -0500, Scott Downie wrote:
If I could get away with AMD, I probably would.
Otherwise, I'd
consider plunking for a 1.8 GHz Celeron. Since my two main Windows
I'd go with AMD (athlon) over celeron, the celeron has a smaller cache
(IIRC), and those LAD applications are big!
- Steve
11:19 a.m.
Scott,
I think you'll be just fine starting with the AP2496. There is support
for this card under Alsa. If you haven't seen this list already, here's the
current list:
http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/
Check under Midiman for this card. Again, I'm using it, and it works fine so
far.
One other thing to consider is a MIDI interface. This is included on the
AP2496, but I haven't used MIDI under Linux so I can't say how well this
card does that job. People are starting to get Midisport 2X2 support
together, so that's a pretty inexpensive solution should the AP2496 have a
problem. (I doubt it, but it's good to have a plan.)
One other thing to consider is expandability. You might not be used to
this with a Mac. I'm not with Windows. Alsa actually supports multiple cards
from different manufacturers at the same time. I don't have it working yet,
but with Alsa I can apparently make a 'virtual' card that combines the
AP2496 and the Hammerfall into a single card from an application's point of
view. Cool 'eh?! ;-) You can expand later and still use everything you've
purchased.
AMD-Asus is going to work fine. I'm slightly concerned about
Dual-processor AMD which I'm looking into, but I would not buy a Celeron
today. Go Althon XP+ or P4 only in the Intel world. Or just use what you
have around until you get your footing, and then buy something new then.
Best of luck,
Mark
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Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 5:54 PM
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Subject: [linux-audio-user] A Newbie's New System?
Mark,
I also use an Audiophile 2496. That's 4 in - 4 out
for about
$150-$175. Two analog and two s/pdif.
I could live with that. I do want S/PDIF for interfacing with my
external decoder, the SB on my Windows machine, and my MiniDisc
machine. Old-fashioned analog would be nice because I could connect
directly to my old-fashioned analog mixer.
But I don't see any Linux drivers for the 2496.
If I could get away with AMD, I probably would. Otherwise, I'd
consider plunking for a 1.8 GHz Celeron. Since my two main Windows
computers are running ASUS boards, I certainly have nothing against
ASUS. I just want to head off as many incompatibilities as I can up
front.
Thanks!
Scott
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4:49 p.m.
On Sun, Sep 15, 2002 at 06:17:57 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote:
One other thing to consider is expandability. You
might not be used to
this with a Mac. I'm not with Windows. Alsa actually supports multiple cards
from different manufacturers at the same time. I don't have it working yet,
but with Alsa I can apparently make a 'virtual' card that combines the
AP2496 and the Hammerfall into a single card from an application's point of
view. Cool 'eh?! ;-) You can expand later and still use everything you've
purchased.
I wouldn't actually recommend this myself, it will only work reliably if
both cards have wordclock.
- Steve
5:58 p.m.
Steve,
'Word Clock' has a pretty specific meaning. (At least to me) Isn't that
specifically when you use an external word clock generator and drive the
coaxial type inputs?
Under Windows I can 'sync' two cards over s/pdif to ensure that they run
at the rate set by whichever is master. My goal is only to accomplish this
using Linux.
Problems?
Thanks,
Mark
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Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2002 11:47 AM
To: linux-audio-user(a)music.columbia.edu
Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] A Newbie's New System?
On Sun, Sep 15, 2002 at 06:17:57 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote:
One other thing to consider is expandability. You
might not be used to
this with a Mac. I'm not with Windows. Alsa actually supports multiple
cards
from different manufacturers at the same time. I
don't have it working
yet,
but with Alsa I can apparently make a
'virtual' card that combines the
AP2496 and the Hammerfall into a single card from an application's point
of
view. Cool 'eh?! ;-) You can expand later and
still use everything you've
purchased.
I wouldn't actually recommend this myself, it will only work reliably if
both cards have wordclock.
- Steve
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16 Sep
16 Sep
6:19 a.m.
On Sun, Sep 15, 2002 at 12:56:11 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote:
Steve,
'Word Clock' has a pretty specific meaning. (At least to me) Isn't that
specifically when you use an external word clock generator and drive the
coaxial type inputs?
Under Windows I can 'sync' two cards over s/pdif to ensure that they run
at the rate set by whichever is master. My goal is only to accomplish this
using Linux.
Sorry, that was sloppy writing on my part, I meant sample accurate sync,
not "Word Clock", though its important to distinguish between sync-able
spdif ports (as in the Hammerfall and korg1212) and non syncable (as in
the SB Live/Extigy etc.). Of course, only one of your cards has to be able
to sync to spdif.
I've heard reports of problems using SPDIF or ADAT as a sync sounce, but
I've never experienced them myself.
- Steve
11:42 a.m.
Steve,
Good inputs. Thanks.
In my normal (non-Ardour so far!) setup, I use PTLE as a sync master on
one PC sending sync to the RME via ADAT on a second PC. It works
wonderfully. I don't think I've ever heard a click, so I don't think it's
fundamentally impossible to sync over ADAT, although that doesn't mean it
works under Linux yet.
In this case I'll be happy with the AP2496 syncing to the RME, or the RME
syncing to the AP2496. I know the RME can do that under Windows, so I'll
have to learn how to turn on that feature under Linux. No rush, but I hope
to discover that sometime this week.
Cheers,
Mark
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[mailto:linux-audio-user-admin@music.columbia.edu]On Behalf Of Steve
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Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 1:18 AM
To: linux-audio-user(a)music.columbia.edu
Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] A Newbie's New System?
On Sun, Sep 15, 2002 at 12:56:11 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote:
Steve,
'Word Clock' has a pretty specific meaning. (At least to me) Isn't that
specifically when you use an external word clock generator and drive the
coaxial type inputs?
Under Windows I can 'sync' two cards over s/pdif to ensure that they
run
at the rate set by whichever is master. My goal is
only to accomplish this
using Linux.
Sorry, that was sloppy writing on my part, I meant sample accurate sync,
not "Word Clock", though its important to distinguish between sync-able
spdif ports (as in the Hammerfall and korg1212) and non syncable (as in
the SB Live/Extigy etc.). Of course, only one of your cards has to be able
to sync to spdif.
I've heard reports of problems using SPDIF or ADAT as a sync sounce, but
I've never experienced them myself.
- Steve
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12:32 p.m.
On Mon, Sep 16, 2002 at 06:37:36 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote:
In my normal (non-Ardour so far!) setup, I use PTLE
as a sync master on
one PC sending sync to the RME via ADAT on a second PC. It works
wonderfully. I don't think I've ever heard a click, so I don't think
it's
fundamentally impossible to sync over ADAT, although that doesn't mean it
works under Linux yet.
There are no specific problems with sync under Linux, I've heard people
complaining about ADAT/spdif sync at the hardware level. It could easily
be a myth, but I thought I'd better mention it.
Its possible that if you have bigish SPDIF chains there is a bit of lag in
the sync from begining to end. SPDIF/ADAT sync runs as broken segments
linking ports, whereas word clock is a continuous network. Sadly I dont
have enough kit to know ;)
I slave my desk/cards/outboard gear with spdif+adat in varius ways under
linux without problems. the hammerfall is easy to configure, its just an
alsactl parameter, I can't remeber what its called, but its pretty
obvious.
For a while I had my desk and hammerfall both set to auto negotiate, it
too me ages to notice that I was getting 44.1 or 48, randomly, depending
on which won ;)
- Steve
3:40 p.m.
My RME HDSP syncs up just fine with our Mackie SDR, using adat. Many
hours of transfers and 0 glitches. And I am picky about the audio
quality.
On Mon, 2002-09-16 at 08:37, Mark Knecht wrote:
Steve,
Good inputs. Thanks.
In my normal (non-Ardour so far!) setup, I use PTLE as a sync master on
one PC sending sync to the RME via ADAT on a second PC. It works
wonderfully. I don't think I've ever heard a click, so I don't think
it's
fundamentally impossible to sync over ADAT, although that doesn't mean it
works under Linux yet.
In this case I'll be happy with the AP2496 syncing to the RME, or the RME
syncing to the AP2496. I know the RME can do that under Windows, so I'll
have to learn how to turn on that feature under Linux. No rush, but I hope
to discover that sometime this week.
Cheers,
Mark
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To: linux-audio-user(a)music.columbia.edu
Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] A Newbie's New System?
On Sun, Sep 15, 2002 at 12:56:11 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote:
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Steve,
'Word Clock' has a pretty specific meaning. (At least to me) Isn't that
specifically when you use an external word clock generator and drive the
coaxial type inputs?
Under Windows I can 'sync' two cards over s/pdif to ensure that they
run
at the rate set by whichever is master. My goal
is only to accomplish this
using Linux.
Sorry, that was sloppy writing on my part, I meant sample accurate sync,
not "Word Clock", though its important to distinguish between sync-able
spdif ports (as in the Hammerfall and korg1212) and non syncable (as in
the SB Live/Extigy etc.). Of course, only one of your cards has to be able
to sync to spdif.
I've heard reports of problems using SPDIF or ADAT as a sync sounce, but
I've never experienced them myself.
- Steve
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