9 Aug
2012
9 Aug
'12
10:40 a.m.
Debian is dropping GNOME3 as their default desktop environment, and
going with XFCE. Why? Because they can't fit Debian+GNOME3 onto a single CD.
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTE1NTk
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9 Aug
9 Aug
10:52 a.m.
On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 12:40 PM, david wrote:
You may now return to your regularly-scheduled
interruption.
What do you mean? :)
Alexandre Prokoudine
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11:51 a.m.
I certainly prefer XFCE to GNOME 3 but XFCE still has a few rough
edges and bugs and Thunar is no longer the lightweight app it once
claimed to be. I use rox filer on my Pandaboard as it has a comparable
feature to Thunar but loads almost instantly compared to the 20s or so
I can be waiting for Thunar to get its act together (this is running
off a SSD via USB2). I can load dolphin in the same time it takes to
load Thunar under fluxbox.
On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine
<alexandre.prokoudine(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 12:40 PM, david wrote:
You may now return to your regularly-scheduled
interruption.
What do you mean? :)
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12:15 p.m.
2012/8/9 Dan MacDonald <allcoms(a)gmail.com>
I certainly prefer XFCE to GNOME 3 but XFCE still has
a few rough
edges and bugs and Thunar is no longer the lightweight app it once
claimed to be. I use rox filer on my Pandaboard as it has a comparable
feature to Thunar but loads almost instantly compared to the 20s or so
I can be waiting for Thunar to get its act together (this is running
off a SSD via USB2). I can load dolphin in the same time it takes to
load Thunar under fluxbox.
wow GNOME3 takes another hit ...
seems like XFCE is getting bigger all the time
isn't it also the default for ubuntu studio ?
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12:43 p.m.
On 08/09/2012 12:15 AM, Thijs van severen wrote:
2012/8/9 Dan MacDonald <allcoms(a)gmail.com
<mailto:allcoms@gmail.com>>
I certainly prefer XFCE to GNOME 3 but XFCE still has a few rough
edges and bugs and Thunar is no longer the lightweight app it once
claimed to be. I use rox filer on my Pandaboard as it has a comparable
feature to Thunar but loads almost instantly compared to the 20s or so
I can be waiting for Thunar to get its act together (this is running
off a SSD via USB2). I can load dolphin in the same time it takes to
load Thunar under fluxbox.
wow GNOME3 takes another hit ...
seems like XFCE is getting bigger all the time
Compared to KDE4/GNOME3, LXDE, XFCE are still dwarves. Both of them take
more than Fluxbox. On the other hand, they DO more than Fluxbox. And
KDE4 (at least) does a lot more than LXDE or XFCE even attempt to do.
If I do one of my panorama projects (programmatically generating control
points for 6MP images at full size) on my laptop, I have to boot to a
terminal (no X at all) and run from the command line because it takes
~2GB memory to process a single image, and running X takes enough memory
that swapping makes the process take hours ...
isn't it also the default for ubuntu studio ?
What does Ubuntu Studio use now? Haven't looked at it for awhile.
Regular Ubuntu uses their own Unity desktop. One flavor of it uses 3D.
The other is Unity 2D, which is supposed to be less resource intensive
than the 3D version. In my experience with Unity (on my wife's netbook),
it has compatibility issues with many other programs courtesy of its
attempt to force applications to share a single menu bar (vs each
application having its own menu bar in its own window).
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2:37 p.m.
On Thu, August 9, 2012 3:15 am, Thijs van severen wrote:
2012/8/9 Dan MacDonald <allcoms(a)gmail.com>
Yes, but not for size reasons. It just seems to fit the workflow(s)
better. There are people who love and use unity or gnome3 with
ubuntustudio too.
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I certainly prefer XFCE to GNOME 3 but XFCE still
has a few rough
edges and bugs and Thunar is no longer the lightweight app it once
claimed to be. I use rox filer on my Pandaboard as it has a comparable
feature to Thunar but loads almost instantly compared to the 20s or so
I can be waiting for Thunar to get its act together (this is running
off a SSD via USB2). I can load dolphin in the same time it takes to
load Thunar under fluxbox.
wow GNOME3 takes another hit ...
seems like XFCE is getting bigger all the time
isn't it also the default for ubuntu studio ?
12:27 p.m.
On 08/08/2012 11:51 PM, Dan MacDonald wrote:
I certainly prefer XFCE to GNOME 3 but XFCE still has
a few rough
edges and bugs
Yes, but a lot fewer bugs than LXDE!
and Thunar is no longer the lightweight app it once
claimed to be.
I don't know how it used to be. Compared to Dolphin, it's much lighter.
I use rox filer on my Pandaboard as it has a
comparable
feature to Thunar but loads almost instantly compared to the 20s or so
I can be waiting for Thunar to get its act together (this is running
off a SSD via USB2). I can load dolphin in the same time it takes to
load Thunar under fluxbox.
I use Thunar, it works for me. It's what XFCE uses to display its
desktop. A friend who uses XFCE uses PCManFm and likes that.
That 20s (or longer) Thunar load is due to a longstanding bug (either in
Thunar or the underlying GNOME Virtual File System it uses). The
workaround for that is to disable GVFS's automatic scanning of network
shares. (Or do like I did: remove the GVFS module that does that. I
mount file shares using fstab, so no need to have GVFS scan for network
shares.)
On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine
<alexandre.prokoudine(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 12:40 PM, david wrote:
>
>> You may now return to your regularly-scheduled interruption.
>
> What do you mean? :)
Subtle suggestion that this might be considered off-topic ... ;-)
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12:23 p.m.
On 08/09/2012 10:40 AM, david wrote:
Debian is dropping GNOME3 as their default desktop
environment, and
going with XFCE. Why? Because they can't fit Debian+GNOME3 onto a single
CD.
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTE1NTk
You may now return to your regularly-scheduled interruption.
It seems this is a choice due to lack of clear vision. Tablets and
mobile devices put the world up-side-down and we don't know how to
handle this? What to do with tablets and what to do with our Desktops?
At least it seems that Linux has missed the boat on mobile devices
(maego/ meego). Too late with adjusting to a changing world?
Gnome2 was better then XFCE, so degeneration here on the Linux Desktop ...
Tbh I'm not negative about Gnome3. It provides a clean and well
organized workspace. Much cleaner and less cluttered then Unity imho.
But yeah, how useful are those 'touchscreen features' for a Desktop with
a oldfashion mouse and keyboard. But what will my hardware looks like in
a few years?
But stepping back to XFCE, it feels like giving up all your goals for
being relevant on the Desktops and mobile devices in the real world.
Regards,
\r
12:49 p.m.
New subject: [OT] Debian desktop news
On 08/09/2012 12:23 PM, rosea.grammostola wrote:
On 08/09/2012 10:40 AM, david wrote:
Also the centralized way of managing your PC and the way you can search
for the applications in Gnome3 are *much better* then in traditional
Gnome2 menus imo. The application comes to you, instead that you have to
go to the application which is in one of the plenty different submenus.
Actually, this is one of the reasons why I am planning to install Debian
with Gnome3 interface on my mothers PC. If she installs an application
it will cost here close to 15 min to find it in the Ubuntu Gnome2 menus,
if she will find it at all!
And frequently used applications are nicely displayed on the left
menubar in Gnome3.
Much cleaner and less cluttered then Unity imho.
Debian is dropping GNOME3 as their default
desktop environment, and
going with XFCE. Why? Because they can't fit Debian+GNOME3 onto a single
CD.
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTE1NTk
You may now return to your regularly-scheduled interruption.
It seems this is a choice due to lack of clear vision. Tablets and
mobile devices put the world up-side-down and we don't know how to
handle this? What to do with tablets and what to do with our Desktops?
At least it seems that Linux has missed the boat on mobile devices
(maego/ meego). Too late with adjusting to a changing world?
Gnome2 was better then XFCE, so degeneration here on the Linux Desktop ...
Tbh I'm not negative about Gnome3. It provides a clean and well
organized workspace. But yeah, how useful are those 'touchscreen
features' for a Desktop with
a oldfashion mouse and keyboard. But what will my hardware looks like in
a few years?
But stepping back to XFCE, it feels like giving up all your goals for
being relevant on the Desktops and mobile devices in the real world.
Regards,
\r
12:57 p.m.
On 08/09/2012 12:23 AM, rosea.grammostola wrote:
On 08/09/2012 10:40 AM, david wrote:
Well, my most recent hardware here is still much the same. My main
laptop is 8 years old now and running fine. My sound effects laptop is
my wife's old laptop, so that's about 10 years old. She has a netbook,
about a year old now. The desktop machine is the powerhouse system here
(2.8GHz quad-core Phenom2 processor, 12GB RAM). While I have Wacom
graphics tablets, none of our machines have touch screens.
In a few more years, I expect it to be the same. We're content creators
here, not content consumers, so tablet computers and smartphones are
really non-starters for us. (Not that we have either, we have only got
"featurephones" about a year ago!)
Debian is dropping GNOME3 as their default
desktop environment, and
going with XFCE. Why? Because they can't fit Debian+GNOME3 onto a single
CD.
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTE1NTk
You may now return to your regularly-scheduled interruption.
It seems this is a choice due to lack of clear vision. Tablets and
mobile devices put the world up-side-down and we don't know how to
handle this? What to do with tablets and what to do with our Desktops?
At least it seems that Linux has missed the boat on mobile devices
(maego/ meego). Too late with adjusting to a changing world?
Gnome2 was better then XFCE, so degeneration here on the Linux Desktop ...
Tbh I'm not negative about Gnome3. It provides a clean and well
organized workspace. Much cleaner and less cluttered then Unity imho.
But yeah, how useful are those 'touchscreen features' for a Desktop with
a oldfashion mouse and keyboard. But what will my hardware looks like in
a few years? But stepping back to XFCE, it feels like giving up all
your goals for
being relevant on the Desktops and mobile devices in the real world.
I've done enough bits of UI design over the decades to think that the
idea of a single UI for desktop and touchscreen devices is a mistake.
Fundamental elements of the user interaction are different. The way
people use the devices is different. For example, tablets and
smartphones are almost never used for multitasking as desktops are. So
tablet/touchscreen UIs that make every app hog the entire screen are a
non-starter for desktop multitasking users.
And (apologies to those advocating for voice recognition software) I can
type far faster than I can talk, and far more accurately than the
software can recognize my words ...
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10 Aug
10 Aug
3:15 p.m.
Somebody wanted to know if Xfce is the default DE for Ubuntu Studio.
Yes, it is.
Gnome2 was better then XFCE, so degeneration here on
the Linux Desktop ...
Full ACK.
Tbh I'm not negative about Gnome3. It provides a
clean and well
organized workspace. Much cleaner and less cluttered then Unity imho.
But yeah, how useful are those 'touchscreen features' for a Desktop with
a oldfashion mouse and keyboard.
They are annoying only and will break a common audio workflow. Btw.
GNOME3 was very resource hungry on my machine.
Regards,
Ralf
9 Aug
9 Aug
1:09 p.m.
On Thursday 09 August 2012 07:07:23 david did opine:
Debian is dropping GNOME3 as their default desktop
environment, and
going with XFCE. Why? Because they can't fit Debian+GNOME3 onto a single
CD.
I'll bet it would fit, if they would just remove all the code that is in
there just to nanny us.
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTE1NTk
You may now return to your regularly-scheduled interruption.
Cheers, Gene
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1:13 p.m.
On 08/09/2012 01:08 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
On Thursday 09 August 2012 07:07:23 david did opine:
But then it wouldn't be GNOME3, would it? ;-)
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Debian is dropping GNOME3 as their default
desktop environment, and
going with XFCE. Why? Because they can't fit Debian+GNOME3 onto a single
CD.
I'll bet it would fit, if they would just remove all the code that is in
there just to nanny us.
1:37 p.m.
On Thursday 09 August 2012 07:34:50 david did opine:
On 08/09/2012 01:08 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
Gnome4 maybe? Surely that would be worthy of a higher version number,
indicating real progress.
Cheers, Gene
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On Thursday 09 August 2012 07:07:23 david did
opine:
But then it wouldn't be GNOME3, would it? ;-) Debian is dropping GNOME3 as their default
desktop environment, and
going with XFCE. Why? Because they can't fit Debian+GNOME3 onto a
single CD.
I'll bet it would fit, if they would just remove all the code that is
in there just to nanny us.
10 Aug
10 Aug
8:25 a.m.
On 08/09/2012 01:37 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
On Thursday 09 August 2012 07:34:50 david did opine:
Well, I didn't like GNOME2, either, so in my opinion the only real
"progress" GNOME could show me would be to disappear.
Maybe in GNOME4 they'll finally realize the real, never-mentioned-goal
of the GNOME design team: to remove ALL user functionality ...
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On 08/09/2012 01:08 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
Gnome4 maybe? Surely that would be worthy of a higher version number,
indicating real progress. On Thursday 09 August 2012 07:07:23 david did
opine:
But then it wouldn't be GNOME3, would it? ;-) Debian is dropping GNOME3 as their default
desktop environment, and
going with XFCE. Why? Because they can't fit Debian+GNOME3 onto a
single CD.
I'll bet it would fit, if they would just remove all the code that is
in there just to nanny us. 
23 Aug
23 Aug
10:33 p.m.
On Thu, Aug 09, 2012 at 07:37:25AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
On Thursday 09 August 2012 07:34:50 david did opine:
I think they were trying to make Linux look like an iPad. Apps! Huge, clicky touchscreen
buttons! Meh.
I upgraded my 11-year-old daughter's laptop to Wheezy, and she loves the new Gnome. Go
figure.
I'm perfectly happy with ion3, thankyouverymuch, though xmonad looks pretty good too.
-ken
On 08/09/2012 01:08 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
Gnome4 maybe? Surely that would be worthy of a higher version number,
indicating real progress.
On Thursday 09 August 2012 07:07:23 david did
opine:
But then it wouldn't be GNOME3, would it? ;-) Debian is dropping GNOME3 as their default
desktop environment, and
going with XFCE. Why? Because they can't fit Debian+GNOME3 onto a
single CD.
I'll bet it would fit, if they would just remove all the code that is
in there just to nanny us.
10 Aug
10 Aug
3:36 p.m.
On Thu, 2012-08-09 at 07:08 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
On Thursday 09 August 2012 07:07:23 david did opine:
:D
I suspect they will add all dependencies quasi forced by upstream.
Regards,
Ralf
Debian is dropping GNOME3 as their default
desktop environment, and
going with XFCE. Why? Because they can't fit Debian+GNOME3 onto a single
CD.
I'll bet it would fit, if they would just remove all the code that is in
there just to nanny us.
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