11 Dec
2014
11 Dec
'14
8:34 p.m.
Hi Harry, Hi Ralf,
Thank you for the fast answers.
Harry, in fact you did not quite answer question 1 : do I have to use
hdsploader ? Put it another way, would the card be recognized if the
firmware is not ok? This firmware question is not clear for me : I fear
to corrupt the card's windows firmware if I run hdsploader. Maybe that's
completely wrong...
I agree that using amixer seems to be a horrible way to work, but I
could not manage to get anything out of hdspmixer... There is no way to
change the routes it loads by default ! clicking on the playback labels
doesn't allow to check or uncheck existing boxes.
This is why I wonder if there isn't anything wrong with my setup, namely
: would the use of hdsploader change hdspmixer's behaviour ?
Thank you
François
Le 11/12/2014 17:03, Harry van Haaren a écrit :
On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 3:49 PM, francois juigner
<francois.juigner(a)bluewin.ch <mailto:francois.juigner@bluewin.ch>> wrote:
1 - is it compulsory to use hdsploader, even if the card is
recognized ?
HdspLoader and HdspMixer are two programs that will intereact with the
RME devices: the first provides the firmware it needs to run, the
second interacts with the device just like amixer, only provides a
sane GUI :D
Basically, since the RME has a routing matrix built-in, using amixer
will provide every single control, which will be a totally horrible
way to work. Since HdspMixer provides a good way to interact with the
sub-mixes, its advised ;)
HTH, -Harry
PS: I have a Multiface 2, so my experience might be slightly different
to yours with the AIO.
--
http://www.openavproductions.com
Le 11/12/2014 18:26, Ralf Mardorf a écrit :
I bought the HDSPe AIO in May 2011, after it was
recommended on this
list or LAD. Until today 3 1/2 years later I never could get it working
correctly using hdspmixer on Linux. To test the sound card I installed
FreeBSD first and then Windows XP. The sound card isn't broken and I
know how to handle totalmix under Windows. However, I'm only using
Linux and so assumed you should find out how to get all 8 ADAT IOs
accessible by jackd, please let me know. On my machine only ADAT
channel 1 and 2 are available by jackd.
Regards,
Ralf
S: Assumed you want to use a frequency > 48 KHz, then you first need to
select it using alsamixer, before you can start jackd.
11 Dec
11 Dec
9:12 p.m.
New subject: RME HDSPe AIO, hdsploader compulsory ?
On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 3:34 PM, francois bluewin <
francois.juigner(a)bluewin.ch> wrote:
Hi Harry, Hi Ralf,
Thank you for the fast answers.
Harry, in fact you did not quite answer question 1 : do I have to use
hdsploader ? Put it another way, would the card be recognized if the
firmware is not ok? This firmware question is not clear for me : I fear to
corrupt the card's windows firmware if I run hdsploader. Maybe that's
completely wrong...
(1) hdsploader has nothing to do with "firmware" although people often use
that term. What is loaded is actually configuration data for the Xilinx
chip, mostly to set up the matrix mixer
(2) the device driver will load the "firmware" itself automatically. The
only time hdsploader is useful these days is when for some odd reason you
need/want to force a reload without rebooting.
I agree that using amixer seems to be a horrible way to work, but I could
not manage to get anything out of hdspmixer... There is no way to change
the routes it loads by default ! clicking on the playback labels doesn't
allow to check or uncheck existing boxes.
hdspmixer is modelled on RME's own TotalMix and you should visit their
website to read up on how it works (newer versions of TotalMix are a bit
different, however). It isn't a particularly intuitive design, but once you
understand it things will be much more clear. remembering that clarity can
be hard, depending on your age and aptitude.
This is why I wonder if there isn't anything wrong
with my setup, namely :
would the use of hdsploader change hdspmixer's behaviour ?
no.
and by the way, using amixer is not horrible. I have this little script
which i used to use to configure my Digiface. It is really useful and much
faster than firing up hdspmixer and loading some preset.
#!/bin/bash
AMIXER="amixer -q"
CARD="-c 1"
if [ x$1 = xon ] ; then
gain=32768
verb="route"
else
gain=0
verb="mute"
fi
shift;
#input_source : 0-25 (physical channels),
# 26-51 (software playback)
#output_source : 0-25 (physical channels),
# 26-27 (line out)
case $1 in
play)
for chn in $(seq 26 51);do
$AMIXER $CARD cset numid=5 $chn,$(($chn-26)),$gain
done
;;
thru)
for input in $(seq 0 25);do
for output in $(seq 0 25); do
if [ $input != $output ]; then
$AMIXER $CARD cset numid=5 $input,$output,$gain
fi
done
done
;;
thru12)
$AMIXER $CARD cset numid=5 0,0,$gain
$AMIXER $CARD cset numid=5 1,1,$gain
;;
mon)
for chn in $(seq 26 51);do
if [ $(($chn % 2)) -eq 0 ] ; then
$AMIXER $CARD cset numid=5 $chn,26,$gain
else
$AMIXER $CARD cset numid=5 $chn,27,$gain
fi
done
;;
all)
for input in $(seq 0 51); do
for output in $(seq 0 27); do
echo -n "."
if [ $gain = 0 -o $input != $output ]; then
$AMIXER $CARD cset numid=5 $input,$output,$gain
fi
done
echo
done
;;
off)
for input in $(seq 0 51); do
for output in $(seq 0 27); do
echo -n "."
if [ $gain = 0 -o $input != $output ]; then
$AMIXER $CARD cset numid=5 $input,$output,$gain
fi
done
echo
done
;;
esac
9:20 p.m.
New subject: RME HDSPe AIO, hdsploader compulsory ?
On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 04:12:23PM -0500, Paul Davis wrote:
and by the way, using amixer is not horrible. I have
this little script
which i used to use to configure my Digiface. It is really useful and much
faster than firing up hdspmixer and loading some preset.
Indeed. I've been doing the same (using amixer in scripts) for all
sorts of RME cards.
Regarding the AIO: if only two ADAT ports show up in Jack that
has nothing to do with the mixer. Why that problem still exists
after more than three years is another matter, I for sure don't
understand why that should be so.
Ciao,
--
FA
A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia.
It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)
10:05 p.m.
New subject: RME HDSPe AIO, hdsploader compulsory ?
On Thu, 11 Dec 2014 21:20:02 +0000, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
Regarding the AIO: if only two ADAT ports show up in
Jack that
has nothing to do with the mixer. Why that problem still exists
after more than three years is another matter, I for sure don't
understand why that should be so.
That's right.
However, off-list I'll send a config to Francois.
First off all, for testing purpose use the analog outputs with ALSA.
Ensure that the card will be hw:0, the default device. Make it the
first entry for "options snd slots=" in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf.
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ cat /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf
# ALSA module ordering
options snd slots=snd_hdspm,snd_ice1712,snd_ice1712
After that reboot.
Launch hdspmixer, the card should appear as card:0.
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ hdspmixer
HDSPMixer 1.11 - Copyright (C) 2003 Thomas Charbonnel
<thomas(a)undata.org>
This program comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY
HDSPMixer is free software, see the file COPYING for details
Looking for RME cards:
Card 0: RME AIO S/N 0x579bcc at 0xfddf0000, irq 18
RME AIO found!
Card 1: TerraTec EWX24/96 at 0xbf00, irq 20
Card 2: TerraTec EWX24/96 at 0xbb00, irq 21
1 RME cards card found.
Restoring last presets used
Then to load the file in hdspmixer click File > Open preset file
Load the file demo.1.mix I sent off-list.
With Firefox open https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9irsg1vBmq0
You should get sound by the analog line outs and by the phones out.
Regards,
Ralf
--
"Pull a Homer -- to succeed despite idiocy." - The Simpsons
12 Dec
12 Dec
8:32 a.m.
New subject: RME HDSPe AIO, hdsploader compulsory ?
Hi Ralf,
Ok, it works great in the headphones with your preset file !
Good starting point. I'm unable to open it with a text editor, so I suppose this .mix
is a compiled file...
On Thu, 11 Dec 2014 23:05:18 +0100
Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf(a)rocketmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 11 Dec 2014 21:20:02 +0000, Fons Adriaensen
wrote:
--
francois juigner <francois.juigner(a)bluewin.ch>
Regarding the AIO: if only two ADAT ports show up
in Jack that
has nothing to do with the mixer. Why that problem still exists
after more than three years is another matter, I for sure don't
understand why that should be so.
That's right.
However, off-list I'll send a config to Francois.
First off all, for testing purpose use the analog outputs with ALSA.
Ensure that the card will be hw:0, the default device. Make it the
first entry for "options snd slots=" in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf.
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ cat /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf
# ALSA module ordering
options snd slots=snd_hdspm,snd_ice1712,snd_ice1712
After that reboot.
Launch hdspmixer, the card should appear as card:0.
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ hdspmixer
HDSPMixer 1.11 - Copyright (C) 2003 Thomas Charbonnel
<thomas(a)undata.org>
This program comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY
HDSPMixer is free software, see the file COPYING for details
Looking for RME cards:
Card 0: RME AIO S/N 0x579bcc at 0xfddf0000, irq 18
RME AIO found!
Card 1: TerraTec EWX24/96 at 0xbf00, irq 20
Card 2: TerraTec EWX24/96 at 0xbb00, irq 21
1 RME cards card found.
Restoring last presets used
Then to load the file in hdspmixer click File > Open preset file
Load the file demo.1.mix I sent off-list.
With Firefox open https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9irsg1vBmq0
You should get sound by the analog line outs and by the phones out.
Regards,
Ralf
--
"Pull a Homer -- to succeed despite idiocy." - The Simpsons
9:28 a.m.
New subject: RME HDSPe AIO, hdsploader compulsory ?
On Fri, 12 Dec 2014 09:31:50 +0100, francois juigner wrote:
Ok, it works great in the headphones with your preset
file !
Good starting point. I'm unable to open it with a text editor, so I
suppose this .mix is a compiled file...
Hi Francois,
*.mix files are generated, if you save a preset file with hdspmixer.
Those files aren't human readable text files. I don't think
they are "compiled", I would call them binary files.
Do you own an ADAT device? If so, please report back, if it works for
channels 3 to 8 for you. Jackd shows all the ports, but on my
machine there are only audio signals available by the ADAT channels 1
and 2. It's unimportant what's shown by the hdspmixer meters, please
really test if audio signals are available by the jackd ports.
Regards,
Ralf
--
"Pull a Homer -- to succeed despite idiocy." - The Simpsons
9:26 a.m.
New subject: RME HDSPe AIO, hdsploader compulsory ?
Hi Paul,
interesting script indeed, this enforces me to dig in the linux bash scripts, new for me
but very understandable. I'm sure I can do something from it.
Thank you also for the "firmware" explanation, confusing if the word isn't
used in it's normal meaning...
Francois
On Thu, 11 Dec 2014 16:12:23 -0500
Paul Davis <paul(a)linuxaudiosystems.com> wrote:
On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 3:34 PM, francois bluewin
<
francois.juigner(a)bluewin.ch> wrote:
--
francois juigner <francois.juigner(a)bluewin.ch>
Hi Harry, Hi Ralf,
Thank you for the fast answers.
Harry, in fact you did not quite answer question 1 : do I have to use
hdsploader ? Put it another way, would the card be recognized if the
firmware is not ok? This firmware question is not clear for me : I fear to
corrupt the card's windows firmware if I run hdsploader. Maybe that's
completely wrong...
(1) hdsploader has nothing to do with "firmware" although people often use
that term. What is loaded is actually configuration data for the Xilinx
chip, mostly to set up the matrix mixer
(2) the device driver will load the "firmware" itself automatically. The
only time hdsploader is useful these days is when for some odd reason you
need/want to force a reload without rebooting.
I agree that using amixer seems to be a horrible way to work, but I could
not manage to get anything out of hdspmixer... There is no way to change
the routes it loads by default ! clicking on the playback labels doesn't
allow to check or uncheck existing boxes.
hdspmixer is modelled on RME's own TotalMix and you should visit their
website to read up on how it works (newer versions of TotalMix are a bit
different, however). It isn't a particularly intuitive design, but once you
understand it things will be much more clear. remembering that clarity can
be hard, depending on your age and aptitude.
This is why I wonder if there isn't anything
wrong with my setup, namely :
would the use of hdsploader change hdspmixer's behaviour ?
no.
and by the way, using amixer is not horrible. I have this little script
which i used to use to configure my Digiface. It is really useful and much
faster than firing up hdspmixer and loading some preset.
#!/bin/bash
AMIXER="amixer -q"
CARD="-c 1"
if [ x$1 = xon ] ; then
gain=32768
verb="route"
else
gain=0
verb="mute"
fi
shift;
#input_source : 0-25 (physical channels),
# 26-51 (software playback)
#output_source : 0-25 (physical channels),
# 26-27 (line out)
case $1 in
play)
for chn in $(seq 26 51);do
$AMIXER $CARD cset numid=5 $chn,$(($chn-26)),$gain
done
;;
thru)
for input in $(seq 0 25);do
for output in $(seq 0 25); do
if [ $input != $output ]; then
$AMIXER $CARD cset numid=5 $input,$output,$gain
fi
done
done
;;
thru12)
$AMIXER $CARD cset numid=5 0,0,$gain
$AMIXER $CARD cset numid=5 1,1,$gain
;;
mon)
for chn in $(seq 26 51);do
if [ $(($chn % 2)) -eq 0 ] ; then
$AMIXER $CARD cset numid=5 $chn,26,$gain
else
$AMIXER $CARD cset numid=5 $chn,27,$gain
fi
done
;;
all)
for input in $(seq 0 51); do
for output in $(seq 0 27); do
echo -n "."
if [ $gain = 0 -o $input != $output ]; then
$AMIXER $CARD cset numid=5 $input,$output,$gain
fi
done
echo
done
;;
off)
for input in $(seq 0 51); do
for output in $(seq 0 27); do
echo -n "."
if [ $gain = 0 -o $input != $output ]; then
$AMIXER $CARD cset numid=5 $input,$output,$gain
fi
done
echo
done
;;
esac
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